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Old 03-09-2009, 04:40 PM   #1
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Default Tow hooks, and Tow straps

so searched around a bit.

I need a front tow hook, or strap.. since i'm running a front mount. my stock tow hook wont work.

I was thinking of a strap like this? would the weight of the sti have any issue with a strap like this?

http://www.ioportracing.com/Merchant...egory_Code=TOW

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Old 03-09-2009, 05:14 PM   #2
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The STi might be a little too heavy for something like that.

"...recommended for Spec Miata..."

Give I/O a call and see what they think.
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Old 03-09-2009, 07:05 PM   #3
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after you whack something hard enough to need a tow strap, the STI might be too ON FIRE for a nylon web strap to do the job...

what kind of racing are you talking about?
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Old 03-09-2009, 07:27 PM   #4
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The STi might be a little too heavy for something like that.

"...recommended for Spec Miata..."

Give I/O a call and see what they think.
Yeah thats what i was thinking.. tho i've seen some sti's evo's bimmers with tow straps.. this is the only one that i could find.

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after you whack something hard enough to need a tow strap, the STI might be too ON FIRE for a nylon web strap to do the job...

what kind of racing are you talking about?
whack anything? even if theres suspension failure you'd need to get pulled off the track... and if the car was on fire.. then i guess they could tow it from where ever they'd like at that point.

I'm just talking about hpde's here
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Old 03-09-2009, 08:08 PM   #5
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2" nylon webbing is pretty damn strong. It might be good for 4-8000 lbs.
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Old 03-09-2009, 08:44 PM   #6
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after you whack something hard enough to need a tow strap, the STI might be too ON FIRE for a nylon web strap to do the job...

what kind of racing are you talking about?
Yeah, I didn't even think of that. Or "wall"-ing it hard enough to just cut the strap. Hmm...



OP. You're going on a track. You might hit something. What did you think you were getting into?
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Old 03-09-2009, 10:39 PM   #7
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The tow hooks on the stock u-brace are pretty stout. That's where I stick my jackstands when I lift the car. I'd ignore the naysayers and just use a nylon strap. If you total it out on track, it won't matter what they hook it to anyway. It's not like they're going to lift the car with the strap.
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Old 03-09-2009, 10:55 PM   #8
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That nylon strap will work great. the way you want to mount it is to bolt it into the top of bumper beam, then wrap the strap all the way around the beam so that the tension is all on the strap itself rather than the mounting bolt. We have a similar setup on the rally car and it works great. We just cut the end off a Harbor Freight strap and used a large sheetmetal screw into the bumper beam. Like I said, all the strap tightens onto itself, not the screw. Tested tough by getting pulled off a soft berm when high centered with all 4 wheels off the ground. It works.
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Old 03-09-2009, 11:29 PM   #9
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Got Pics?
Also, you can get tow straps here....
http://www.ltbmotorsports.com/sarapr.html
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Old 03-10-2009, 12:23 AM   #10
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no detail pictures but here is the best I can do.


This is how I put it in. Took about 15 minutes.

Cut a slot in the bumper cover with the grille removed.
Drill pilot hole into top of bumper beam.
Slide the non-hook/loop end of the strap in through the slot.
Wrap strap around bumper beam, with cut end underneath so it is kind of wrapped back upon itself.
Slide strap to the side, screw large sheetmetal screw in through strap.
Arrange strap nicely and zip tie to secure as you see fit.

I used a sheet metal screw we had around the shop. Looked something like this:
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Old 03-10-2009, 03:00 AM   #11
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really great info.. thanks alot guys.
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next and most obvious step is to check in with scrutineers for whatever series you want to run, and see if nylon strap would be legal

scca mandates metal tow points of a certain size opening (so tow trucks can attach to your car with a shackle instead of just a hook) , for instance. some hpde events follow scca's lead on this, others have their own way of doing things.

so don't ask us, ask them what really count on the question--your event scrutineers. how much would it suck to cut up your bumper cover/grille, mount a strap and then have the tech guys tell you "wtf were you thinking on THAT??!!"
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There are no requirements like that for HPDE's. Basically HPDE's are street car events. There are no scrutineers. Typically they check the torque on your wheels and make sure you got all the junk out of your trunk and then you're allowed onto the track. The only real reason to put a tow hook on an HPDE car is to protect the body work when they tow you off the track because they will pull you off the track and if it messes up your bumper, so be it.

Time attack street classes seem to be like that too though I have less experience with them. The T/A's I've run had no requirments for tow hooks or for any kind of cage/rollover protection either.

This is just my experience, I don't run SCCA HPDE's so, their requirement might be different but, because it's street cars in a non-competitive environment, I don't think so.

This is why I think some of you are over-reacting.
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Old 03-10-2009, 01:13 PM   #14
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next and most obvious step is to check in with scrutineers for whatever series you want to run, and see if nylon strap would be legal

scca mandates metal tow points of a certain size opening (so tow trucks can attach to your car with a shackle instead of just a hook) , for instance. some hpde events follow scca's lead on this, others have their own way of doing things.

so don't ask us, ask them what really count on the question--your event scrutineers. how much would it suck to cut up your bumper cover/grille, mount a strap and then have the tech guys tell you "wtf were you thinking on THAT??!!"
wow... you need to calm down just a tiny bit. for the HPDE's i run. all i need is a tow hook front and rear so that they can pull me to the pits incase anything does happen.

to be clear. if my car catches fire.. its basically totaled most likely. they can tow it front where ever they like. If my car rolls or slams into a wall.. same deal.

Most people at the hpde i run at dont even run with the req front and rear tow hooks.

If i get more serious and run in a certain class.. I will get a metal one.. if need be.. but right now its more cost efficient. Anyways thanks for your help.
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whole different mind set here, am used to having the cars gone over pre-event with a fine tooth comb. hpde tends to be much more laissez-faire as regards saftety gear.

back on topic, why wouldn't the tie down eyes under the front work if stock tow hook is gone due to fmic? paint em blaze orange so workers can find em in a hurry if need be. maybe you don't need to fabricate anything at all.
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whole different mind set here, am used to having the cars gone over pre-event with a fine tooth comb. hpde tends to be much more laissez-faire as regards saftety gear.

back on topic, why wouldn't the tie down eyes under the front work if stock tow hook is gone due to fmic? paint em blaze orange so workers can find em in a hurry if need be. maybe you don't need to fabricate anything at all.
im running a under panel, and am subframe less.. so i believe those tie downs are gone. at any rate my car is lower then stock and if it was off in the dirt most likely tie points under the car wont work and would cause more damage to the front bumper.
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Yeah, HPDE is for us pretend racers.
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Yeah, HPDE is for us pretend racers.
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Old 03-10-2009, 04:35 PM   #19
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To people who say a tow hook isn't necessary for HPDE...you make no sense. The same exact thing can happen to a car on track whether or not it's being driven competitively. Last year I had an intercooler coupler blow off and had to be towed in. I had no tow hook so they hooked the strap to one of the tiedowns on the stock subframe. It ended up getting caught on the tie rod and wrapped around it, bending it horribly. It also damaged my bumper and destroyed the front undertray. Needless to say my weekend was over (this was on Saturday). Immediately after that I had a tow hook welded to my bumper beam so I don't encounter the same problem ever again.
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Hey now...

Have done a couple hpdes, and the instructors were like, 'oh jeez you rally guys just want to go out there and get sideways and hit stuff. None of that ***** for you today!"

Heh i was on such a short leash it was comical-- 1 wheel off and it was a big verbal spanking. "I did NOT cut that corner on purpose, the car just got turned in a leetle early!" etc etc. Even so, I loved every minute on the track and the experience has been hugely helpful on tarmac stages.

Howza bout declaring an attitude truce doods
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To people who say a tow hook isn't necessary for HPDE...you make no sense.
I don't think anyone's saying that. What STI's saying and I think he's right is that all he needs is enough tow hook to get him off the track and if his car burns or is totalled, he doesn't need to care about what they hook it too, he'll be needing a new shell anyway. So, the nylon strap is fine and the whole possibility of it melting or getting cut if he hits something hard is a non-issue.

RB5, I don't blame the instructors for being anal. I'm buddies with one and you wouldn't believe the crap they have to put up with for free track time. You couldn't pay me enough to instruct. My life is worth more than $250 a track day.
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You should have a decent fire extinguisher in the car and you won't have to worry about having a "totalled" car in the event of a fire. Corner workers should also have them.

I've had a few friends cars catch on fire at the track, and were easily saved with extinguishers.

And you should have front and rear hooks in case of a mechanical.
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RB5, I don't blame the instructors for being anal. I'm buddies with one and you wouldn't believe the crap they have to put up with for free track time. You couldn't pay me enough to instruct. My life is worth more than $250 a track day.
No sheet Master! I teach at Team O'Neil, and omfg strapping into some wicked STI/Evo/quattro next to some guy you don't know who's almost foaming at the mouth to show how badass he is...well let's just say that starting students out on a short leash is a key part of an instructor's skills set. once you find out they're competent, then things tend to be a whole lot more fun for both parties (and a lot more learning takes place).

Point of fact: the hpde guys I worked with were appreciative of my rally car having equal safety gear for both seats. They often have to put up with stock belts n seats while the driver has a race bucket and full harness. Some instructors are very reluctant to ride with a driver who doesn't provide equal opportunity safety for both seats, and I'm one of them. What kind of message does that sort of setup send? that's what!

As for pre-event scrutiny of the car, they went over mine pretty carefully. Maybe it was the fact it was an older suby, maybe it was the beat up rocker panels and dents and wrinkled skidplates they saw underneath...but the car was prepped to the max and they realized that and relaxed a bunch. They just wanted to see that the brakes and steering gear and wheels/tires were up to snuff. Huh, who'd-a thunk that stuff makes a difrence?
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boost junkie: next time just disconnect your maf, you can drive it in under your own power (if they let you do this on track is another thing altogether)
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boost junkie: next time just disconnect your maf, you can drive it in under your own power (if they let you do this on track is another thing altogether)
I know, but it's generally a terrible idea to get out of the car on or near the track surface. Even worse to get out and pop the hood to fix it. If you break down, you are expected to stay belted in and wait for the tow truck to pull you back to the paddock.
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