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Old 05-10-2009, 09:45 PM   #51
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Are you laughing because they won the race? The other teams are clearly catching up to them, Massa should have podiumed if not for poor race planning. Vettel burned himself at the start. I think within 3 or 4 races things will be very different, we shall see.

I'm rooting for Button all the way, but I just don't see how they will be able to fend off the big teams for the entire season.
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Old 05-10-2009, 09:49 PM   #52
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I'm rooting for Button all the way, but I just don't see how they will be able to fend off the big teams for the entire season.
McLaren can't seem to build a fast car and Ferrari can't seem to get out of it's own way!

I agree with you. RB was challenging the whole way. Massa looked to have the pase to push them too.
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Old 05-10-2009, 11:19 PM   #53
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If Ferrari can fix their race strategy and KERS both cars will be in the points, if not on the podium next race.
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Old 05-10-2009, 11:43 PM   #54
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also seems to be a "back down to earth" weekend for p6.

Ugh, tell me about it! Most of my picks were out at the first corner

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If Ferrari can fix their race strategy and KERS both cars will be in the points, if not on the podium next race.
I don't see KERS being a big advantage at Monaco and the Ferrari still seems to have some serious issues with mechanical grip.

Call it a hunch but Monaco is going to be a slugfest between Vettel and Webbo.
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Old 05-10-2009, 11:58 PM   #55
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Call it a hunch but Monaco is going to be a slugfest between Vettel and Webbo.
Wouldn't that be great to see, when will they get the new double diffuser and leave the rest of the cars in the dust!!
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Old 05-11-2009, 05:07 AM   #56
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Do not beat me directly at once th newcomer (From Moscow) =)
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Old 05-11-2009, 05:19 AM   #57
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Call it a hunch but Monaco is going to be a slugfest between Vettel and Webbo.
Hope So, with Webber the victor
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Old 05-11-2009, 06:00 AM   #58
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Ask michael schumacher back ferrari for the the 2nd half of the season
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Old 05-11-2009, 08:13 AM   #59
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Are you laughing because they won the race? The other teams are clearly catching up to them, Massa should have podiumed if not for poor race planning. Vettel burned himself at the start. I think within 3 or 4 races things will be very different, we shall see.

I'm rooting for Button all the way, but I just don't see how they will be able to fend off the big teams for the entire season.
He's laughing because they are still the front runners. While they won't have the advantage all year, I think they're going to be so far ahead that it won't matter. If he can pull in 2nd and 3rd places the rest of the year, he's got it won. They also won't be as slow as they were in 2008.


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Old 05-11-2009, 11:12 AM   #60
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Tough race for my boy Hamilton and Vettel..... Ideally i want Lewis to still win the championship. Realistically i have all my faith in Vettel being the champion this year.



Does anyone know the name of the young us driver that recently went to europe to compete in karting or some kind of open wheel racing. He drives an UGM STI 07. i know hes on iwsti as well as nasioc. He was a contender for the USF1
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Old 05-11-2009, 12:36 PM   #61
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Old 05-11-2009, 01:24 PM   #62
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He's laughing because they are still the front runners. While they won't have the advantage all year, I think they're going to be so far ahead that it won't matter. If he can pull in 2nd and 3rd places the rest of the year, he's got it won. They also won't be as slow as they were in 2008.
The concern about them falling back to 2008 levels was more of a joke, but I have concerns of them slipping significantly backwards. I expected more out of the other teams in Barcelona, so you may be right: if Button can stay on or near the podium he's in a great spot. A reliable car goes a long way towards that goal and so far Brawn's been bulletproof.
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Old 05-11-2009, 01:28 PM   #63
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How accurately can the teams monitor fuel level? I thought they didn't have real time monitoring, so the best they can do is estimate, right?

So how close was Massa to running out of fuel? Without data it seems very difficult to really know how much fuel he was saving by slowing down. Two different drivers could use very different amounts of fuel on a "slow" lap.
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The teams still have all the real time telemetry they've always had, it's just no longer two way. In the past they could actually adjust things on the car from the pits but no longer.

Massa ran out of fuel on the cool down lap...


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Realistically i have all my faith in Vettel being the champion this year.
I think he's certainly fast enough and the car is up to it but my big concern is the team seem to be a little unwilling to adapt during a race. Why Vettel mirrored Massa the entire race is a total mystery. They did such a good job with Webbo to capitalize on track position but Vettel's run was so uninspiring. You can't win a championship if you're team can't figure out a way to get you out from behind a slower car lap after lap after lap. So frustrating!
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Old 05-11-2009, 02:10 PM   #65
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Call it a hunch but Monaco is going to be a slugfest between Vettel and Webbo.
I think Hamilton will surprise. Somebody on another site that I frequent brought up the point that the McLaren is just a bad aero car, so with his talent, I think he'd do pretty nicely.
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Does anyone know the name of the young us driver that recently went to europe to compete in karting or some kind of open wheel racing. He drives an UGM STI 07. i know hes on iwsti as well as nasioc. He was a contender for the USF1
Josef Newgarden. I think he lives in Nashville.

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WHAT?! TWO US based F1 teams wanting to join in 2010?!
I've had a thought about it, and I'm pretty sure it's just Bernie being Bernie. Think about it. Andretti Green would do well to finish in the top 10 in A1GP, what makes them think they can do a serious job in F1? The only reason they'd do this would be to get Danica and Marco on the grid, land a bunch of sponsors and hope that it gets them somewhere. Maybe they've talked to Bernie, but I don't think they're serious about wanting to join.

Then you've got Penske, and while that makes a ton of sense in that Penske is the best America has professionally, he did just give up on ALMS for Grand Am because of money. If it was truly the shot at the 24 hours of Le Mans that he really wanted, I'm sure that he could have made the list for a privateer R10, and done a great job of running it.

Beyond that, NHL I can't see, unless Doornbos can bring some big sponsorship with him, Ganassi isn't an idiot and knows he has a great thing going in NASCAR and the IRL, anybody in NASCAR that could do it would be retarded to give up what they already have. I guess TRG could get rid of all their projects and maybe come up with enough to get started, but I doubt it. Is Gerry Forsythe doing anything right now?
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Old 05-11-2009, 02:28 PM   #66
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Not because she's a girl but how many indy races has she won? Me thinks she would amount to nothing more than new traffic for Force India.

Hopefully the US team gets a serious driver and not just the one who can sell more crap. We need to at least come out decently competitive.
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The teams still have all the real time telemetry they've always had, it's just no longer two way. In the past they could actually adjust things on the car from the pits but no longer.

Massa ran out of fuel on the cool down lap...




I think he's certainly fast enough and the car is up to it but my big concern is the team seem to be a little unwilling to adapt during a race. Why Vettel mirrored Massa the entire race is a total mystery. They did such a good job with Webbo to capitalize on track position but Vettel's run was so uninspiring. You can't win a championship if you're team can't figure out a way to get you out from behind a slower car lap after lap after lap. So frustrating!
Yeah, I have the same concern. I don't know why they didn't just stop earlier and let him get some clear laps in. Its great they're doing well, but they're going against the best in the business right now strategy wise.
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The teams still have all the real time telemetry they've always had, it's just no longer two way. In the past they could actually adjust things on the car from the pits but no longer.

Massa ran out of fuel on the cool down lap...
OK, thanks. So they were very confident of when he was going to run out? I suppose so if they left him with less than a lap of fuel. That changes things a lot, it was amusing to hear Massa pleading with them to let him race Vettel.
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Ugh, tell me about it! Most of my picks were out at the first corner
yarrh srsly, trulli...and then raikonnen's and hamilton's race were just disappointing.

oh well at least still holding in 4th for the group.
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Timo Glock was surprised to discover that his grid girl for the Spanish Grand Prix was a man. Holding the placard bearing his race number in Barcelona was Thomas, a model from London. "I've never seen that before," the Toyota driver smiled. "At least a girl is holding the German flag," Glock added.
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F1 is soo ****ed right now. Brawn are hax and I'm tired of F1 being more and more limited so its "level" playing field for all drivers...

Isn't the point of f1 to develop and showcase the most advanced pieces of machinery ever made? why must we limit it then. Let Ferrari dump 1 trillion dollars into their car with no limitations and see what comes up (domination obviously like in the past except 10x worse, or better depending on your view). I've always felt the sport was more about the car than the driver (although Michael Schumacker helped ).

Edit: The domination part
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What? That would be Can Am and last 2 months.
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Brawn are hax...

Let Ferrari dump 1 trillion dollars into their car with no limitations and see what comes up (domination obviously like in the past except 10x worse, or better depending on your view). I've always felt the sport was more about the car than the driver (although Michael Schumacker helped ).
So you call Brawn "hacks" and want Ferrari to return to the Schumacher era of domination..an era masterminded by who now?

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F1 is soo ****ed right now. Brawn are hax and I'm tired of F1 being more and more limited so its "level" playing field for all drivers...

Isn't the point of f1 to develop and showcase the most advanced pieces of machinery ever made? why must we limit it then. Let Ferrari dump 1 trillion dollars into their car with no limitations and see what comes up (domination obviously like in the past except 10x worse, or better depending on your view). I've always felt the sport was more about the car than the driver (although Michael Schumacker helped ).

Edit: The domination part
Because if that happened we'd have two Ferrari's racing each other and no one else to compete with.

Look at unrestricted race series of the past:

Group B Rally: Suicide. Stupidly powerful cars with severely limited traction. Drivers and spectators died. Costs got out of control and the plug was pulled before manufacturers all pulled out.

Can Am: Every more powerful cars and more radical designs. Costs again got to high and it was done for.

F1 won't be very exciting to watch if Ferrari's dont at least have someone else on the track to beat.
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