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Old 05-05-2009, 03:23 AM   #1
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Default Chevrolet Dealer Charges $5000 Camaro Premium, $1000 for “Nitrogen Tires for Life



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Saw that my local Chevy dealer had a nice, bright, Victory Red Camaro up on its terrace display today. I couldn’t resist the urge to have a look at it, even though I had just filled my car with cold dairy products and it was close to 100° out. Anyhoo, the car was nice enough. It was a V6 RS with no sunroof and auto. Not what I’d want, but it was nice. List was $27K+. Get this: the dealer added a $5000 “market adjustment.” But wait, there’s more! How about a $695 “Desert Protection Pkg.”? They also added . . . you’d better sit down . . . $999 for Nitro Tires. It was explained on another car’s sticker that it’s a lifetime supply of nitrogen for the tires. Wow, just wow. This at a dealer that’s got one foot in the grave, too. When the salesman came up to me, all excited and **** (I drove up in my BMW), he was all “Heeeeyyy, how can I get you in this baby today?” I calmly said, “I’ll write you a check now for dealer invoice + $500. Minus $1998 for having the nerve to charge $999 for that Nitrogen scheme.” His jaw dropped and he looked rather upset. He finally said, “Well, I’ll have to talk to my manager about that.” I said “Don’t bother, I wasn’t going to buy the car anyway. I am however going to report this scam to every local TV channel and the AG. Take care.” I wish I had my phone on me and took a picture of the sticker
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Old 05-05-2009, 03:25 AM   #2
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Old 05-05-2009, 08:13 AM   #3
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Happens all the time. Nothing new. When gas was over $4 gallon, even Priuses were being marked up like $5000 over MSRP at some dealers. Why do they do this? Because there is always the chance that some idiot is going to pay that.
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Old 05-05-2009, 08:30 AM   #4
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When I first saw the pic, I thought maybe they meant:



But charging $10 for Nitrogen in your tires is a scam, let alone $1000. Wow.

The $5000 markup is crazy, but no crazier than the markup for every other hot new car that comes out.

Remember kids, dealerships are scum.



But I am SURE that someone is going to blame GM for how this independently owned and operated dealership is run.
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Old 05-05-2009, 08:49 AM   #5
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Car manufactures do nothing to protect their customers from price gouging these day. Give it some time and when they have all these cars still setting on their lot, they'll still have market adjustments asking for a government bail out again.



I wish their was a link to the dealership.

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Old 05-05-2009, 08:57 AM   #6
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Car manufactures do nothing to protect their customers from price gauging these day. Give it some time and when they have all these cars still setting on their lot, they'll still have market adjustments asking for a government bail out again.
What exactly are the manufacturers *supposed* to do? Dealerships are independent entities, they can't force the dealers to do anything.

If the dealership can get that market adjustment for that Camaro, good for them - it's called capitalism. (Don't hate the player, hate the game....) I'm not going to bash the dealer because they found someone foolish enough to pay $5k over sticker.
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Old 05-05-2009, 09:00 AM   #7
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What exactly are the manufacturers *supposed* to do? Dealerships are independent entities, they can't force the dealers to do anything.
Change how their contracts with the dealership are, making the dealer HAVE to show MRSP on their pricing sticker.
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Old 05-05-2009, 09:28 AM   #8
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Change how their contracts with the dealership are, making the dealer HAVE to show MRSP on their pricing sticker.
They do. It's the Maroney Label. Every new car has one, required by law, showing MSRP.

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Old 05-05-2009, 09:32 AM   #9
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What exactly are the manufacturers *supposed* to do? Dealerships are independent entities, they can't force the dealers to do anything.

If the dealership can get that market adjustment for that Camaro, good for them - it's called capitalism. (Don't hate the player, hate the game....) I'm not going to bash the dealer because they found someone foolish enough to pay $5k over sticker.
Yes we know it is capitalism. Tell us something we don't know. Still doesn't make it right and yes they can do something about it.
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Old 05-05-2009, 09:57 AM   #10
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Yes we know it is capitalism. Tell us something we don't know. Still doesn't make it right and yes they can do something about it.
Waaah Waah Waaah....

Don't like it? Don't buy the damn car. It's that simple.
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Old 05-05-2009, 10:28 AM   #11
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Waaah Waah Waaah....

Don't like it? Don't buy the damn car. It's that simple.
Your right I won't buy it nor will a lot of other potential customers buy it. Which is part of the problem. We bail them out. They continue poor business practices and in the end what happens? I believe capitalism works but I also believe a company that produces products has a responsibility to it's customers. I'm not sure one model could save a company or can it? This is not so much about the new Camaro as it is about the continuing flawed practices of the American automotive industry. We are all going to end up paying for this.

Tea cup said it best.

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Happens all the time. Nothing new.

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Old 05-05-2009, 10:53 AM   #12
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But I am SURE that someone is going to blame GM for how this independently owned and operated dealership is run.
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...They continue poor business practices....
Again, how is this GM's fault?
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Old 05-05-2009, 10:58 AM   #13
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Mate of mine started work at a Chev dealership just north of Dallas. They have a camaro SS that is listed at ~35K with a +20K market adjustment. Thats just bloody stupid. But hey the dealership I bought my sti from tried to charge me +5K over sticker because the 05's had just hit the floor. I told them to shove it and began to get into my car. Amazing how quickly they changed their tune. Stupid stealerships!!!
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Old 05-05-2009, 10:58 AM   #14
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Again, how is this GM's fault?
The dealer is an authorised distributor for GM and as such act as an agent of GM and any actions the dealer makes (given how they have a huge GM / Chevy logo above the dealer) can be seen as actions condoned by GM.
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Old 05-05-2009, 10:58 AM   #15
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Your right I won't buy it nor will a lot of other potential customers buy it. Which is part of the problem. We bail them out. They continue poor business practices and in the end what happens? I believe capitalism works but I also believe a company that produces products has a responsibility to it's customers. I not sure one model could save a company or can it? This is not so much about the new Camaro as it is about the continuing flawed practices of the American automotive industry. We are all going to end up paying for this.

Tea cup said it best.
Stop pretending this is only done by American car companies. As was already mentioned dealers were charging markups on the Prius, also the GT-R, probably the 370Z, etc. Any high demand car will experience some dealer markup nonsense, thankfully there are many dealers out there that do not do this.
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Old 05-05-2009, 11:01 AM   #16
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Can't blame them for trying I guess. A few have sold on ebay for about or a little over sticker from what I saw.

One local Dodge dealer was trying the 'this one car will save us' plan, still is.
Challenger 10K mkt adjustment. This was months ago, the car is still there.

with months worth of quarter million job losses you would think there would be more 'deals'. Local investigation, not too many deals to be had, no matter the brand.
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Old 05-05-2009, 11:03 AM   #17
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The dealer is an authorised distributor for GM and as such act as an agent of GM and any actions the dealer makes (given how they have a huge GM / Chevy logo above the dealer) can be seen as actions condoned by GM.
:facepalm:

It's MSRP.

Ya know what the S stands for? Take a guess.

That's about as far as GM has in the price of their cars.

If ya don't like it, don't be one of the first idiots to jump into this (or any other) car.
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Old 05-05-2009, 11:12 AM   #18
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I'm not surprised Chevy dealers are doing this. I went by the local Dodge dealer last Saturday, and they were still marking up SRT and R/T Challengers $5,000. This, after their parent corporation has declared bankruptcy and there are at least 5 of the cars that have been on their lot for over a month.
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Old 05-05-2009, 11:28 AM   #19
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Its not illegal. It has been done for many years. Hell I remember an Isuzu dealer with a 5k markup on Vehicrosses. Needless to say they sat on the lot.

My issue is it is a lot less sad to see GM and Chrysler struggle when things like this happen. Is it their fault directly? No, but they do have contracts with the dealers. A few years ago Nissan tried to police this kind of thing when the 350z came out. I am not sure how successful it was. Maybe GM needs to take back some control, from suppliers all the way down to dealers.

I am also a bit outraged about the MSRP. V-6 with an auto for 27k+? I can almost get a 1 series BMW for that; you tell me which car is more worth the cost...
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1) it's legal (despite the fact it makes GM look like complete a$$holes)
2) don't like it... dont' buy it. They're only making money off the stupid people.
3) All dealerships do it and no... it's not "right"

and the big one!!! WE (THE AMERICAN PEOPLE) SHOULD LET GM, FORD, CHRYSLER, AND ANY OTHER COMPANY DUMB ENOUGH TO DO THIS FAIL! Stop wasting my tax dollars for these idiots. I'm not paying for them to run a scam operation targeting idiots.
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Old 05-05-2009, 11:47 AM   #21
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It's MSRP.

Ya know what the S stands for? Take a guess.

That's about as far as GM has in the price of their cars.

If ya don't like it, don't be one of the first idiots to jump into this (or any other) car.
He's hit the nail on the head, hopefully the level of 'what rock have you been living under' stupid will die down in this thread
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Old 05-05-2009, 11:55 AM   #22
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When I first saw the pic, I thought maybe they meant:



But charging $10 for Nitrogen in your tires is a scam, let alone $1000. Wow.

The $5000 markup is crazy, but no crazier than the markup for every other hot new car that comes out.

Remember kids, dealerships are scum.



But I am SURE that someone is going to blame GM for how this independently owned and operated dealership is run.
That exactly what I was thinking I was like free tires for life. Shhhhi that's a great deal


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What exactly are the manufacturers *supposed* to do? Dealerships are independent entities, they can't force the dealers to do anything.

If the dealership can get that market adjustment for that Camaro, good for them - it's called capitalism. (Don't hate the player, hate the game....) I'm not going to bash the dealer because they found someone foolish enough to pay $5k over sticker.
Sell cars online directly to the public.
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Why is this a problem? If they can find someone to buy this at that price, good for them. Most people realize that the sticker is a starting point, not the end. If the price is too high for you, negotiate. If its still too high, don't buy it.
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Old 05-05-2009, 12:20 PM   #24
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1) it's legal (despite the fact it makes GM look like complete a$$holes)
2) don't like it... dont' buy it. They're only making money off the stupid people.
3) All dealerships do it and no... it's not "right"

and the big one!!! WE (THE AMERICAN PEOPLE) SHOULD LET GM, FORD, CHRYSLER, AND ANY OTHER COMPANY DUMB ENOUGH TO DO THIS FAIL! Stop wasting my tax dollars for these idiots. I'm not paying for them to run a scam operation targeting idiots.
I believe it is something peculiar to the American market for cars in general, domestic and imported.

In some countries, such markups are illegal.

Worst case is that they won't budge from the msrp...


"market adjustment"
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Your right I won't buy it nor will a lot of other potential customers buy it. Which is part of the problem. We bail them out. They continue poor business practices and in the end what happens? I believe capitalism works but I also believe a company that produces products has a responsibility to it's customers. I'm not sure one model could save a company or can it? This is not so much about the new Camaro as it is about the continuing flawed practices of the American automotive industry. We are all going to end up paying for this.

Tea cup said it best.
GM has already made its money on this car. They get paid when the car is sold to the dealership, not when the dealership sells it to the customer. So this dealership's actions have nothing to do with "poor business practices" on the part of GM. The dealership is an independent franchisee and they are free to let that V6 auto sit on the lot as long as they want. They are hurting no one but themselves and costing the US taxpayer nothing.
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