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Old 03-23-2009, 10:54 AM   #1
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Recommend me some pads for the track.

Right now I'm on dba 4000s, goodridge ss lines, hawk hps, motul rbf600, jdm 4 pots and h6 rear.

I have been looking at ferodo 2500 and carbotech xp8

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I'm at -1.8f and -1.4r, I want to go more aggressive I'm thinking -2.2f and -1.6 rear.

The car sees road course only and occasional street driving.
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Old 03-23-2009, 11:06 AM   #2
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Is this the WRX or the Mustang? Your alignment settings - -1.8 and -1.4...what tyres?

I ask because I run -2 front and rear ALL the time. When I go to track I run -3 or -3.5 (front).

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Old 03-23-2009, 11:10 AM   #3
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i'd only add more camber in front, not the rear.
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Old 03-23-2009, 11:26 AM   #4
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Wrx, hankook rs2 235/40/17

The reason I want to increase rear camber is because the rear end needs more grip around high speed turns.
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Old 03-23-2009, 12:44 PM   #5
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question, how do you like the HP+ pads?
are they not agressive enough for you?

as far as alignment, -2.0+ in the front and something around -1.5 in the rear should be fine.
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Old 03-23-2009, 12:50 PM   #6
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They suck LOL

I feel like they are a tad better then stock pads.
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Old 03-23-2009, 01:51 PM   #7
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Maybe you're too heavy on the brake pedal?

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Old 03-23-2009, 02:23 PM   #8
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450 whp on WRX stock brakes for road course work?

i'm thinking HPS/HP+/ or similar might be a tad weak for that..

And no - HP+ pads do not suck and they never have -running the wrong compound for your needs however does suck as it leads to wasted pads/ruined rotors and a lot less fun than a track day should be

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Old 03-23-2009, 04:31 PM   #9
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450 whp on WRX stock brakes for road course work?

i'm thinking HPS/HP+/ or similar might be a tad weak for that..

And no - HP+ pads do not suck and they never have -running the wrong compound for your needs however does suck as it leads to wasted pads/ruined rotors and a lot less fun than a track day should be

Yeah... sorry for wording it wrong.

the HP+ are not bad but once i started putting down some serious power, they were not well suited for my car.
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Old 03-23-2009, 04:49 PM   #10
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Before you spend $$$ on track pads I'd consider doing something to increase fade resistance ion the front

on a tight budget - LGT fronts - heavy and still mushy - but nearly as big as STi brakes - will balance w/ H6 rears well

STi fronts - cheap BBK like performance - knckback sux

After that - a plethora of BBK's to choose from
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Old 03-23-2009, 06:12 PM   #11
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What BBK would you recommend? i've been looking at the stoptech kits

also been looking at the rotora, the car will eventually become a dedicated track car so i want to "do it right the first time"
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Old 03-23-2009, 09:52 PM   #12
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- 332x32 2pc rotor stoptechs or
- 12.9" 2pc rotor wilwood kit. (super light calipers)

- i have a rotora kit which i just rebuilt from last season. Im waiting for some extra cash to buy the wilwood kit for my car. rotors, hats and pads are all cheaper. will save you money in the long run.


As wrxbrakes have stated. making 450, your brakes will be gone in a session or 2 in no time with the setup you have now. As a tip you really might want to think about getting a 2nd map running low boost. say if your making 21 psi now for example, get a map with 18. Just safety procautions. you dont need all that 450 on track

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Old 03-24-2009, 01:00 AM   #13
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They suck LOL

I feel like they are a tad better then stock pads.
i guess considering your power then they might, i made 300 to the wheels and i bought them for the front and rear. im actually considering selling them though and getting brembos when i can afford it.
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Old 03-24-2009, 01:33 AM   #14
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Recommend me some pads for the track.

Right now I'm on dba 4000s, goodridge ss lines, hawk hps, motul rbf600, jdm 4 pots and h6 rear.

I have been looking at ferodo 2500 and carbotech xp8

Lastly,

I'm at -1.8f and -1.4r, I want to go more aggressive I'm thinking -2.2f and -1.6 rear.

The car sees road course only and occasional street driving.
Road course only and occasional street driving? So, not road course only...

Anyway, DS2500's are street pads. Even ignoring your power, they would only be good for a beginner before you'll be wanting more pad.

XP8's are a step in the right direction...consider 10's though. Maybe 10's up front and 8's in the rear. In any case, if you're decent on your brakes at all...you need a legitimate track pad.
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Old 04-22-2009, 10:25 AM   #15
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I know its an older thread, but I've got a set of XP9's from back in the day with a lot of pad left on them. If you're interested, shoot me a PM.
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Road course only and occasional street driving? So, not road course only...

Anyway, DS2500's are street pads. Even ignoring your power, they would only be good for a beginner before you'll be wanting more pad.

XP8's are a step in the right direction...consider 10's though. Maybe 10's up front and 8's in the rear. In any case, if you're decent on your brakes at all...you need a legitimate track pad.
I run xp10's in the front and xp8's in the rear and love them
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Old 04-22-2009, 05:14 PM   #17
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I run xp10's in the front and xp8's in the rear and love them
second that.
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Old 04-22-2009, 06:01 PM   #18
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i decided to give the EBC yellowstuff a try since i got them for a great price

anyways theyre pretty good, atleast for my level... although it could def be alot better.

i also went with -2.2F and -1.6R and love it so far, although i think i could use a few more degrees upfront
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i decided to give the EBC yellowstuff a try since i got them for a great price

anyways theyre pretty good, atleast for my level... although it could def be alot better.

i also went with -2.2F and -1.6R and love it so far, although i think i could use a few more degrees upfront
run more up front. i run -2.5F and 1.7R and i really like the way the car feels.

i was using hp+ (that i got from wrxbrakes, actually), but after my 2nd event i found they were still fading. now i'm gonna run a set of ht-10s and see how they fare.
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DBA 5000 2-pc. w/ Hawk Blues, on sti calipers. after that duct them... Still not enough go for larger thermal mass, not 8-12 pot calipers like some people would rec......sound like your real close on camber... go with what works for your set-up(trail & error via a stopwatch).
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Recommend me some pads for the track.

Right now I'm on dba 4000s, goodridge ss lines, hawk hps, motul rbf600, jdm 4 pots and h6 rear.

I have been looking at ferodo 2500 and carbotech xp8

Lastly,

I'm at -1.8f and -1.4r, I want to go more aggressive I'm thinking -2.2f and -1.6 rear.

The car sees road course only and occasional street driving.
I ran almost the same setup. DBA 4000, HP+ front and rear and high temp fluid,no ducts though on my DD. After a two day track day the pads were chunking off in pieces and the front rotors were cracked(I had them for maybe 2 months of daily driving). Corvette were falling to the rex though.lol

Anyway I took pic's and sent them to DBA and they were forwarded to DBA aus. engineers.They told me that I was running the wrong pad/rotor combo. Hawk says that the HP+'s are a track/autocross pad? They just told me that they would give me cost on a new set of rotors. I just went and bought the DBA 5000. Going to try some hawk DTC's next.
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HP+ is great for autocross - but on track it's strictly a 'group one' pad.



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I ran almost the same setup. DBA 4000, HP+ front and rear and high temp fluid,no ducts though on my DD. After a two day track day the pads were chunking off in pieces and the front rotors were cracked(I had them for maybe 2 months of daily driving). Corvette were falling to the rex though.lol

Anyway I took pic's and sent them to DBA and they were forwarded to DBA aus. engineers.They told me that I was running the wrong pad/rotor combo. Hawk says that the HP+'s are a track/autocross pad? They just told me that they would give me cost on a new set of rotors. I just went and bought the DBA 5000. Going to try some hawk DTC's next.
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I ran almost the same setup. DBA 4000, HP+ front and rear and high temp fluid,no ducts though on my DD. After a two day track day the pads were chunking off in pieces and the front rotors were cracked(I had them for maybe 2 months of daily driving). Corvette were falling to the rex though.lol

Anyway I took pic's and sent them to DBA and they were forwarded to DBA aus. engineers.They told me that I was running the wrong pad/rotor combo. Hawk says that the HP+'s are a track/autocross pad? They just told me that they would give me cost on a new set of rotors. I just went and bought the DBA 5000. Going to try some hawk DTC's next.
I used HT-10's on my 06 - they were pretty good till i really started to hurt them. The smallish rotors just get way hot - so things struggle to cope.

Good deal getting the good will cost on new rotors - that's one reason I like selling them - they don't run and hide from issues.
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DBA 5000 2-pc. w/ Hawk Blues, on sti calipers. after that duct them... Still not enough go for larger thermal mass, not 8-12 pot calipers like some people would rec......sound like your real close on camber... go with what works for your set-up(trail & error via a stopwatch).

I think there are much better Hawk race pads then Hawk Blues for an STi - blues are more a medium friction/temp pad. Plus they have the unique ability to eat rotors when cold - so pretty much for trailered cars only.
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HP+ is great for autocross - but on track it's strictly a 'group one' pad.

Yeh it's time to upgrade
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