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Old 05-05-2009, 07:08 PM   #1
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Curious which of its models Fiat plans to send over to the United States to sell through its planned partnership with Chrysler? Wonder no more. The most recent set of documents filed in Chrysler's Chapter 11 proceedings offer a number of intriguing clues as to what we can expect to see in the coming years.

Tom LaSorda, current ChryCo Veep, suggests that Fiat has agreed to assemble a vehicle using its C-EVO platform at one of Chrysler's underutilized U.S. plants. Further, Robert Manzo, executive director of Capstone Advisory Group, has specifically named the Fiat 500, Grande Punto and Panda (tellingly, Manzo called the Panda a Jeep) along with the Mito and Milano from Alfa Romeo as models coming to the aid of Chrysler.

Joining these new models would also be Fiat's 3.0-liter diesel V6 and 1.4-liter four-cylinder Multiair engine line, along with the Italian automaker's dual-clutch automatic gearbox, which would replace the units Chrysler will no longer be receiving from Getrag. The biggest question left unanswered seems to be what will be left of Chrysler's current line?
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Old 05-05-2009, 07:15 PM   #2
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The 1.4L MultiAir is a gasser. Rather have the 1.3L diesel... I guess they're not ready with Euro6-ready diesels yet (about the same as T2B5) in things they can't classify as "trucks."

But hopefully the only change they make will be to pry off the fiat badge and slap a pentastar on it.
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Old 05-05-2009, 07:28 PM   #3
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panda as a jeep! awesome.
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Old 05-05-2009, 07:33 PM   #4
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i would kill for a Fiat 500 ss abarth in white... not something badged as a friggin chysler though
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Old 05-06-2009, 12:03 AM   #5
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panda as a jeep! awesome.
im guessing to replace the Compass/Patriot vehicles...just a guess though..
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Old 05-06-2009, 08:32 AM   #6
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hryslerís bankruptcy documents reveal that the Fiat/Chrysler alliance would give Chrysler four vehicle platforms, two engines and two transmission families from the Italian automaker. The documents said that specific vehicles would include the Fiat 500, Alfa Romeo MiTo and the Milano 940.

The affidavit of Tom LaSorda, Chryslerís vice chairman and president, said that access to Fiatís technology and platforms is a critical part of the partnership between the two automakers. ĒFiat would give Chrysler access to its 3.0-liter diesel engine and 1.4-liter gas engine technology, critical pieces for Chrysler to meet the new fuel economy standards,Ē LaSorda said.

ďChrysler and Fiat have identified four vehicle platforms and two engine and transmission families that can be used in the alliance,Ē said LaSorda. ďAmong those platforms are Fiatís highly successful C-EVO platform, which Fiat and Chrysler have agreed to manufacture at one of Chryslerís U.S. plants, and Fiatís small car F500 and Fiatís hatchback

LaSorda said that the shared technology and platforms will bring huge cost savings to Chrysler. He said that without Fiat, it would cost Chrysler nearly $8 billion to $10 billion to built four new platforms, two engines and two transmission families. Time wise, LaSorda said it would take Chrysler four to five years to achieve these goals.
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Old 05-06-2009, 06:15 PM   #7
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I don't like any of them. Besides, unless they are signficantly more reliable than they used to be, who has the time to walk to work?
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Old 05-06-2009, 06:34 PM   #8
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I don't like any of them. Besides, unless they are signficantly more reliable than they used to be, who has the time to walk to work?
Agreed. As nice looking as some of the Fiats and Alphas are, the reliability issue is something Chystler is supposed to be fixing, not making worse. Hopefully they'll try to do at least something to remedy that.
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Old 05-07-2009, 08:17 PM   #9
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...some of the Fiats and Alphas are, the reliability issue ...
How many "Alphas" have you owned?
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Old 05-07-2009, 08:30 PM   #10
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I don't like any of them. Besides, unless they are signficantly more reliable than they used to be, who has the time to walk to work?
Nailed it... mind you I don't live in Europe, so I haven't really been following Fiat/Alfa in terms of how their reliability stacks up nowadays... but I've never heard anyone say it was good.

Everyone's been all "OMFG Alfa 8c Competizion" and crap because it looks nice, but I don't see any reason at all I would ever part with money for one.
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Old 05-07-2009, 10:45 PM   #11
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a friend of mine snapped this pix 2 days ago on I-290 in Chicago.
For those of you that don't know what it is, it's a FIAT Panda.

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Old 05-08-2009, 12:27 PM   #12
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How many "Alphas" have you owned?
I haven't owned any, but I've rented quite a few Alphas in Italy. Beautiful cars that drive nice for what they are, imho. Although every single one of them (all JTD's) have used an impressive amount of engine oil!

Even so, I'd still be tempted to rock a Mito with a small JTD as a commuter.
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.... there is no such thing as an "Alpha".





Alfa.


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Yes, I do like them alot..... even if there are other brands out there that are better.
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Alfa.


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Yes, I do like them alot..... even if there are other brands out there that are better.
So wait, Mr. Italiano likes cars from an Italian auto maker...no way!

The Mito, and the 500 have been getting pretty good reviews, other than that the rest are mediocre at best...
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I once heard the saying '85% of all Alfas made are still on the road, the other 15% made it home'

I had a Milano once upon a time, wasn't the easiest car to get along with but when it worked, it was bliss (for it's day).
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Alfa...yes, my apolgies for the spelling error; personally I haven't own any, which could be due in large part to the fact that they haven't sold any Alfas in this country for quite some time..
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.... there is no such thing as an "Alpha".





Alfa.
Damn, I just got OW3D!

Alpha is a greek character, not a car. oops.
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So wait, Mr. Italiano likes cars from an Italian auto maker...no way! ...


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It does not matter....I won't be buying any of these cars....I would rather have a viper, a new challenger or charger.

Better looking and it I would have a better chance getting home each day.
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Alfa...yes, my apolgies for the spelling error; personally I haven't own any, which could be due in large part to the fact that they haven't sold any Alfas in this country for quite some time..


Seriously though - Alfas are not inherently unreliable. They are just not as resistant to ham-handedness as most other cars are. It's kinda like people hating on Subarus because one died on them having had oil changed only 25,000 miles before the catastrophic event.
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I had a Milano once upon a time, wasn't the easiest car to get along with but when it worked, it was bliss (for it's day).
Yes. Those are a bit finicky (I owned two), but really good driver's cars. Many WRX drivers have wondered what kind of brick just flew by them on the Nordschleife.
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