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Scooby Guru
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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Scooby Guru
Member#: 873
Join Date: Feb 2000
Chapter/Region:
TXIC
Location: Just outside of Houston TX
Vehicle:2013 Golf R 1971 240Z |
OH this is going to go over well...
Whats next lawnmowers. |
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Scooby Guru
Member#: 7164
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: A World Of Noise
Vehicle:---> Spoiler alert: Everyone dies at the end. |
Fair is fair. I HATE getting behind stuck behind some wanker with a poorly-tuned bike <-- they stink.
![]() This should also quiet those rediculously loud HD pipes, too. |
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 109531
Join Date: Mar 2006
Chapter/Region:
MAIC
Location: Ashburn Virginia
Vehicle:2006 STI 2008 CBR1000 |
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Scooby Guru
Member#: 7164
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: A World Of Noise
Vehicle:---> Spoiler alert: Everyone dies at the end. |
Please.
Right or not, people driving cars overwhelming rely upon VISUAL stimulus, not aural. Not to mention that the pipes are pointed 180-degrees relative to the direction of motion, making them particularly ineffective in preventing cars from pulling out into a biker's path. |
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 103136
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 102793
Join Date: Dec 2005
Chapter/Region:
NESIC
Vehicle:2008 STi DGM |
who cares? it's CA, they also have to use hard plastic wheels to avoid low pressure and won't be able to purchase black cars to save on AC
![]() ![]() Sure, it MAY have an impact on the rest of the country at some point, but for now it's just CA being CA ![]() ![]() |
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 89332
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Florida
Vehicle:2007 Miata Silver |
I think this bill makes sense (haven't read the actual bill though). One news report from ABC I saw reported landscaping equipment accounts for roughly 30% of emissions, so I have no problem with stricter laws on manufacturer landscaping equipment (but not consumers bringing them in for certification).
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Scooby Guru
Member#: 120273
Join Date: Jul 2006
Chapter/Region:
SWIC
Location: AZ
Vehicle:06 WRBWRXWGN Now with 100% more Spec-C |
It's closer than you might think. There are talks of banning all two stroke gasoline powered tools and replacing them with natural gas powered units or more favorably, electric units. I read an article once stating that mowing your lawn for 3 hours with the typical two stroke mower put out about as much green house gases as driving a new car across the country. Whether or not this is true, I don't l know, but it gives you an idea of how people are thinking. The gas mower is dead.
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Scooby Guru
Member#: 67004
Join Date: Jul 2004
Chapter/Region:
SCIC
Location: (818) 200k+ ej205 ppg 5mt
Vehicle:02 vf30 pnp wagon silver and cf |
Did you see the part about light duty diesel trucks again as part of the same law
![]() What happened to exempt. |
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Scooby Guru
Member#: 873
Join Date: Feb 2000
Chapter/Region:
TXIC
Location: Just outside of Houston TX
Vehicle:2013 Golf R 1971 240Z |
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You don't actually believe that my weed wacker is harmful to the environment. A 25cc single cylinder engine that operates 15 minutes a week. There are Lies, damn lies and ... well you get the point... |
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Scooby Guru
Member#: 873
Join Date: Feb 2000
Chapter/Region:
TXIC
Location: Just outside of Houston TX
Vehicle:2013 Golf R 1971 240Z |
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This is madness. When are people going to wake up and stop believing the hype. You can take my two stroke week wacker when you pry it from my cold dead hands. guess you need to outlaw RC planes as well, cant have them. 30 minutes of operating them can output as much emissions as a 747 flying to Mongolia. |
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Scooby Guru
Member#: 7164
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: A World Of Noise
Vehicle:---> Spoiler alert: Everyone dies at the end. |
^^^^ You'd think so.
Except that your 15 minutes of weekly weed-wacking puts more pollution into the air (CO2 notwithstanding) than driving your CA-emissions-spec car 15 hours that same week. Believe it or not, there is a movement afoot in CA to ban the use of outdoor wood and charcoal grills unless their emissions can be scubbed to a minimum level of clean. CARB is really something else.... |
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Scooby Guru
Member#: 873
Join Date: Feb 2000
Chapter/Region:
TXIC
Location: Just outside of Houston TX
Vehicle:2013 Golf R 1971 240Z |
You don't really believe that do you? 15 minutes equals 15 hours. Do you have proof of this convenient statistic, or is that just something that you say to try to make a point?
Its at times like this I am so proud to have a 240Z with 2.5" straight pipes with carbs and NO catalytic converter on it. I think I will make it my daily driver now. I will concede to this insanity if : 1) you prove that CO2 is actually a pollutant with real data 2) we are contributing to climate change with cars and lawnmowers 3) They make a battery powered weedwacker that does not suck ballz |
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 35649
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: CA
Vehicle:2001 Legacy GT sdn sand/gray |
Hey guys - its no big deal all bikes built in the 2000-2001 time frame were all required to meet emissions specs for as far out as 2006. Unless the bikes have been poorly modified or are not running correctly they should all meet the testing specs.
Not a big deal Yes I ride and the bike I have meets all the reqs regardless of the proposed testing. By the way the loud bike thing has been argued for years and years - but there are restrictions as to just how loud they can be. There is a reason for the set restriction on how loud bikes and autos can be. Trust me its for everyone's benefit regarding sound levels. Last I checked emissions has little to do with exhaust pipes and everything to do with engine efficiency etc. So not a big deal |
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Scooby Guru
Member#: 7164
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: A World Of Noise
Vehicle:---> Spoiler alert: Everyone dies at the end. |
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EPA studies have shown that two-stroke engines discharge as much as 30% of their fuel and oil unburned directly into the air. More food for thought, if you hunger for the truth: http://www.bajajusa.com/emissions.htm Even after doing the math (x/6) to reduce the 150cc two-stroke engine's numbers (I used the lowest number in the range, just to keep it interesting) down to your 25cc engine, it STILL EMITS almost twice as much hydrocarbons as a passenger car...and those numbers are based upon a 10-year-old study! (EPA 2000) Once you factor-in the amount of work performed (by way of converting to HP), it's not difficult to see that your tiny, 25cc 2-stroke is exponentially dirtier than a modern passenger car. Last edited by Spenk; 05-06-2009 at 12:12 PM. |
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 44172
Join Date: Sep 2003
Chapter/Region:
AKIC
Location: Eagle River, AK
Vehicle:2003 Lancer Evo 8 Plasti-Dip is for TOOLS |
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Cars have to smog, you should too...whiners. Since when did bikes have more "freedoms" than cars? |
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Scooby Guru
Member#: 7164
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: A World Of Noise
Vehicle:---> Spoiler alert: Everyone dies at the end. |
^^^^+1
...ever since "Easy Rider." ![]() |
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Scooby Guru
Member#: 873
Join Date: Feb 2000
Chapter/Region:
TXIC
Location: Just outside of Houston TX
Vehicle:2013 Golf R 1971 240Z |
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I will look into this later today, thanks for the good reading material. Seriously, thanks. |
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 4263
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, Ca
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![]() OK. So SMOG certified gas stations will have to purchase new equipment to test motorcycles. California used to only put sniffers on the mufflers of cars. Then the state mandated that they be put on rollers, to put the engine under load, then test for emissions. Not to mention that this state has "Smog Test Only" stations, and "Smog Test Stations" The first costing the most. They randomly flag cars suspected of being high polluters, and your car has to be tested at the "Test Only" station. (ranting) Anyways. I bought a new bike last year. It's got aftermarket mufflers. Much lighter than the stock ones. BMW bikes have long heavy mufflers, which contain some sort of catalytic converter? ![]() |
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NASIOC Supporter
Member#: 692
Join Date: Dec 1999
Chapter/Region:
SCIC
Vehicle:2006 Pontiac GTO M6 Black |
How long does it take to change the muffler on your bike? 30mins? Just swap it once every two years and then change it back.
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 5673
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Folsom, CA
Vehicle:2002 WRX/2005 LGT 09 Ducati M696/ZX6R |
I don't modify my bike, but I sure as hell don't want to help simulate the economy paying an extra $70 every 2 years for a smog test.
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 198376
Join Date: Dec 2008
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So whats CA doing to prevent these toxic fires? Looks like a great opportunity to up the firehouse budgets
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Scooby Guru
Member#: 873
Join Date: Feb 2000
Chapter/Region:
TXIC
Location: Just outside of Houston TX
Vehicle:2013 Golf R 1971 240Z |
NO no, they should tax the homeowners whose house just burned for breaking the cap and trade index.
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 158043
Join Date: Aug 2007
Chapter/Region:
RMIC
Location: SLC
Vehicle:old Something new SWP |
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