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Old 05-06-2009, 03:19 AM   #1
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According to the latest reports, Nissan is currently working on the hybrid power system for larger high performance cars which will be introduced on the new Fuga Sedan a.k.a. Infiniti M35/M45 in 2010. But the big surprise is that the Japanese manufacturer is planning to use this system for a hybrid version of the brand new Nissan 370Z, which means that the 370Z will be the first high performance hybrid sports car found on the market, but for this we have to wait 2 years. It seems that the hybrid version will carry the same 3.7-liter engine but also an electric motor. The batteries used by this motor, will be manufactured by NEC, because the electronics giant has twice the energy density of conventional batteries. The hybrid 370Z will deliver a fuel consumption of 35 mpg in mixed cycle use, a good number if we compare it to the 23 mpg obtained by the current version.

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hmm if im going to go out of my way to buy a sports car i don`t think its going to be a hybrid which is essentialy the same plus an electric motor. it seems like its going to make it a lot heavier and throw off the weight distribution. which is fine, but not in a sports car
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I could probably count on one hand how many people will want to pay extra $$ for a heavier, "greener" sports car.

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Old 05-06-2009, 09:11 AM   #4
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I could probably count on one hand how many people will want to pay extra $$ for a heavier, "greener" sports car.

but it will have 450 hp
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Old 05-06-2009, 09:19 AM   #5
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but it will have 450 hp
...but if it weighed 800lbs less, it would only need 250hp, and could get away with a smaller, cleaner, more efficient engine.

Adding weight is the FIRST step in making a vehicle less efficient. That is the fundamental conceit of hybrids.
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Old 05-06-2009, 09:35 AM   #6
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which means that the _____ will be the first high performance hybrid sports car found on the market
I think every company has made this claim now.
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Old 05-06-2009, 10:48 AM   #7
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I'd have to agree with Spenk. The lighter the vehicle the better it is dynamically, the less fuel it uses and you need less engine to move it.

Case in point Lotus Elise.
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Old 05-06-2009, 10:54 AM   #8
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These cars are virtually unsellable in most of the world due to high co2 and low mpg leading to high taxes and no sales.

Hence the need for a hyrid.

Expect plenty more to follow.

The reason us car makers are in the dog house so much is that they make a product that cannot be sold outside the US.

Best thing that could happen to make the us car industry a viable prospect long term is to force the us makers to get in line with the rest of the planet and produce efficient cars.

Otherwise the us car industry is a dead duck.
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...but if it weighed 800lbs less, it would only need 250hp, and could get away with a smaller, cleaner, more efficient engine.

Adding weight is the FIRST step in making a vehicle less efficient. That is the fundamental conceit of hybrids.
Yeah, cuz that Prius and Insight are so damn inefficient.

Wait...what?

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I'd have to agree with Spenk. The lighter the vehicle the better it is dynamically, the less fuel it uses and you need less engine to move it.

Case in point Lotus Elise.
And if you want room for a kid in the backseat..........................you make the car bigger and add a battery and a hybrid drivetrain.

What's your point? That we should all drive mopeds?
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I think everyone knows having a lighter car = less gas, but that is not possible to make a competitive and well equipped mass produced sports car. a Lotus Elise, which is a $50k car with no luxuries and cramped as hell, that is why no ones got it. If you want a light car get a older car, save you tons of money.
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And if you want room for a kid in the backseat..........................you make the car bigger and add a battery and a hybrid drivetrain.

What's your point? That we should all drive mopeds?
The point is we are talking about a 2 seater sports car that wants to add weight to gain fuel efficency. When the car can be made lighter so it handles better, can be faster and gain fuel efficency.

If you need 4 doors buy an STI like I did.
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I think everyone knows having a lighter car = less gas, but that is not possible to make a competitive and well equipped mass produced sports car. a Lotus Elise, which is a $50k car with no luxuries and cramped as hell, that is why no ones got it. If you want a light car get a older car, save you tons of money.
A Miata weighs 2,500lbs and will weigh less in the next gen, BMW is targeting 2,200lbs for the Z2. For two seat coupe/roadsters it should be about less weight.

For regular mainstream cars by all means spread around some hybrid technology.

I have nothing against hybrids I do have something against adding weight to sports cars for fuel economy. When you buy a performance two seater (a toy really) are you really expecting high MPG? Who here would sacrifce 3-4 MPG for another 10-20% gain in power/speed? I know I would in this application.
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The batteries used by this motor, will be manufactured by NEC, because the electronics giant has twice the energy density of conventional batteries.
Huh

I assume the idea they are attempting to convey is that the batteries produced by NEC have twice the energy of conventional batteries.

I think the torque in this car will be excellent. I imagine it would be like launching a Corvette off the line.
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A Miata weighs 2,500lbs and will weigh less in the next gen, BMW is targeting 2,200lbs for the Z2. For two seat coupe/roadsters it should be about less weight.

For regular mainstream cars by all means spread around some hybrid technology.

I have nothing against hybrids I do have something against adding weight to sports cars for fuel economy. When you buy a performance two seater (a toy really) are you really expecting high MPG? Who here would sacrifce 3-4 MPG for another 10-20% gain in power/speed? I know I would in this application.
around 200 lbs more but 10MPG more. I think is a great idea, besides the Z is a mainstream car. I see many middle age men and women cruising around all day with these kind of "sports cars", the Solstice, Sky, Miata, Z3, Z4 etc.
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