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Old 05-14-2009, 05:22 PM   #51
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Is the cross drilled crank an option on any block Ron sells?

Or does it only come with specific blocks, like the signature series? So the street won't have the cross drilled...

I think I'll get on the site and do some research.
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Old 05-14-2009, 08:40 PM   #52
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I'm not even sure if he still offers the crossdrilled cranks, they could be from the old axis stage 1-5 motors. From what I was told, and correct me if im wrong, the site says just a modified ej257 crankshaft. Does anyone know for sure which blocks come with the crossdrilled crank still?
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Old 05-14-2009, 10:20 PM   #53
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what i can't understand is why ron would sponsor a show car and not a road race / time attack car so he can actually put his motors to the test while getting some good r&d data at the same time. perhaps he does and i am just not aware of it?

either way, i've never had a built engine, but from everything i've read over the years of being on this forum, ron would probably be my first choice.
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Old 05-15-2009, 01:59 AM   #54
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what i can't understand is why ron would sponsor a show car and not a road race / time attack car so he can actually put his motors to the test while getting some good r&d data at the same time. perhaps he does and i am just not aware of it?

either way, i've never had a built engine, but from everything i've read over the years of being on this forum, ron would probably be my first choice.
D Money's car will be tracked. Give the guy a break people....
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Old 05-15-2009, 10:30 AM   #55
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what i can't understand is why ron would sponsor a show car and not a road race / time attack car so he can actually put his motors to the test while getting some good r&d data at the same time. perhaps he does and i am just not aware of it?
Yeah me either. Probably because the car is getting built to be a race car this time around, but at the same time it can still hardpark on the cover of modified magazine as well.

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D Money's car will be tracked. Give the guy a break people....
haha don't worry about that kid. I punk'd his friend or something and he's still butthurt.
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Old 05-15-2009, 01:37 PM   #56
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I'm not even sure if he still offers the crossdrilled cranks, they could be from the old axis stage 1-5 motors. From what I was told, and correct me if im wrong, the site says just a modified ej257 crankshaft. Does anyone know for sure which blocks come with the crossdrilled crank still?
The cross drilling is the modification (along with being balanced)

The Track & The Signature Series do.
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Old 05-15-2009, 01:46 PM   #57
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Here are 2 pm's I received that I will leave their identity alone. Just thought they would be worth sharing.

Anonymous #1 "Listen, I agree with most of what has been said in this thread about Ron's customer service. He is very good in that regard. I had a stage 3 Axis (not RAW) block, and so did a few others that I personally know very well. All of us had the same block and the same issues. Ron's biggest downfall with this particular stage 3 block was the use of loose rod bearing clearances and a "double cross drilled crank". This equals plummeting oil pressure as rpm increases. I have a video of the pressure drop and so do others. People who voted negatively are not posting because they really like Ron (as do I), but he has a problem admitting his mistakes on builds. He did eventually did own up to the problems and he made things right but never accepted full responsibility. I would buy parts from him or give him specs to build a motor to, but I would not ask him to give me his own specs/interpretation of what he thought I needed for my desired hp level.

Cliff's notes: Ron is a good guy and good resource but do NOT buy a cross drilled crank from him unless it was done at the factory by Subaru!"

Anonymous #2 "My RAW1 built motor blew up after 5k miles. Ron built it but it is not one of his standard builds. He said some things that really scared me during the build-up. Most notably he said that the crank wouldn't spin in the block when he first dropped it in, but he tried again and it was OK so it must have been a hard chunk of assembly lube. Why the hell would he say that unless he was concerned about it? So I was always scared about spinning a bearing and I saved all my used oil filters. A few days before it blew up I cut open the first and last filters and there were metal shavings in all of them. Two days before it let go I really started freaking out because I cut open a filter from an STI motor that had a known bearing problem and that filter had less metal in it than mine. I got a blackstone oil test kit but the motor let go before I could get enough miles on the oil to pull a sample.

The motor should be out this week and we'll be sending it back to Ron. I will post about this once we know what killed it. For all I know it might have dropped a valve, but everything points to a bearing problem. It sounded like silverware in a garbage disposal when it let go. The crank was not cross-drilled FWIW."
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Old 05-15-2009, 02:49 PM   #58
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From an advertising standpoint it makes more sense to put your name on a show car. Even if the car doesn't move, its still brand impression, and it reaches a lot more people than on a track only car which sits inside except on track days.

I dont have a garbage disposal so I cant comment on what that sounds like. I've bent a cam before, it also wouldnt spin freely. Cranks are picky- I recall chevy cranks being stored upright so that they dont sag!
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Old 05-15-2009, 04:18 PM   #59
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Here are 2 pm's I received that I will leave their identity alone. Just thought they would be worth sharing.
Pretty interesting stuff.

I personally see no need to get anything past the street series for anything I'll be needing down the road. I will never track the car and probably never drag it either.

That being said, if I did go track series, I'd request the STI crank to be left untouched. It's common knowledge that the STI crank and rods are VERY strong and well put together components. I've never seen anyone with failures on those parts (failure because of those parts only of course).

Definitely interesting stuff in here. Good thread Stames.
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Old 05-15-2009, 04:50 PM   #60
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Here are 2 pm's I received that I will leave their identity alone. Just thought they would be worth sharing.

Anonymous #1 "Listen, I agree with most of what has been said in this thread about Ron's customer service. He is very good in that regard. I had a stage 3 Axis (not RAW) block, and so did a few others that I personally know very well. All of us had the same block and the same issues. Ron's biggest downfall with this particular stage 3 block was the use of loose rod bearing clearances and a "double cross drilled crank". This equals plummeting oil pressure as rpm increases. I have a video of the pressure drop and so do others. People who voted negatively are not posting because they really like Ron (as do I), but he has a problem admitting his mistakes on builds. He did eventually did own up to the problems and he made things right but never accepted full responsibility. I would buy parts from him or give him specs to build a motor to, but I would not ask him to give me his own specs/interpretation of what he thought I needed for my desired hp level.

Cliff's notes: Ron is a good guy and good resource but do NOT buy a cross drilled crank from him unless it was done at the factory by Subaru!"
I heard from Ron that these folks insisted on these bearing clearances (there was few of them) and Ron made it to their spec, warning them of the consequences/limitations.

Ron is a good guy and takes care of their customers.
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Old 05-15-2009, 05:21 PM   #61
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I heard from Ron that these folks insisted on these bearing clearances (there was few of them) and Ron made it to their spec, warning them of the consequences/limitations.

Ron is a good guy and takes care of their customers.
Once again listening to Ron pays off.
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Old 05-15-2009, 08:04 PM   #62
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Yeah me either. Probably because the car is getting built to be a race car this time around, but at the same time it can still hardpark on the cover of modified magazine as well.

haha don't worry about that kid. I punk'd his friend or something and he's still butthurt.
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Old 05-16-2009, 01:00 AM   #63
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Almost 20k on my block never had issues.
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Old 05-17-2009, 11:31 AM   #64
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Almost 20k on my block never had issues.
that is good to hear. I should have the new block in a few weeks.
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Old 05-18-2009, 05:31 PM   #65
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My oil pressure I would say is a little lower than a normal 2.5Ltr. I run the Rotella 15W40 like Ron requests you do and I rev to 7500RPM's all day long. At 7K in 3rd I hit about 65psi (oil pressure) I idle at 900RPM's and about 16-18 psi.
I use nothing but Motul 15W/50 and have Ron's Signature Short block, at idle I'm around 370-400KPA (53-58PSI) and as soon as I hit the gas either cruising or full tilt I'm at 600-630KPA (87-91PSI)... It's been like this since first start up and I have ~5k miles on the motor now...
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Old 05-20-2009, 01:17 PM   #66
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I am planning on the rotella until about 2,ooo miles. Then I will go with Redline full synthetic.
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Old 05-21-2009, 01:47 AM   #67
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stames you should ask ron if he still uses his machinist here in slc, west valley actually, saves you shipping him the heads and him shipping them here
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Everything on my car was built or installed by raw never had a single issue. If there ever is an issue he takes care of things 100 percent. They are up front with their guarantees and they'll stand by their word. He even picked my car up when it blew the OEM motor. He worked with me alot to get me back on the road. My car is there right now. As people have said above if you listen to his rules you wont have a single problem.

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I am planning on the rotella until about 2,ooo miles. Then I will go with Redline full synthetic.
Might want to talk to Ron about that before you go that route.
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Old 05-22-2009, 10:14 AM   #70
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Might want to talk to Ron about that before you go that route.
Just curious, what is his usual recommendation for break in oil and how long before he deems it o.k. to switch to syn? Thanks for any info.
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Just curious, what is his usual recommendation for break in oil and how long before he deems it o.k. to switch to syn? Thanks for any info.
That you would have to run by Ron. He never mentioned running Synthetic in any of my conversations.

I personally change oil every 800-1000 miles. I also used a lighter oil for break in then at 300 miles I went with the Rotella. It gets well into the -40* with windchill in winter here and I run Mobil 10W40 during the winter months.

Also I broke my engine in with a 4K rev limiter on it for 1800 miles.
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Old 05-22-2009, 10:54 AM   #72
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I had one in my 02 WRX till I got hit head on Ran Rotella 15W40.

I have a built motor now, not an Axis/Raw, but I figure I should still take his advice, so I run Rotella 15W40.

I dont remember who, but I have seen 2 other big name builders recommend that same oil.



BTW I wanted to point out that my new motor not being a Ron motor, has NOTHING to do with the quality of the Ron motor I had, It was very quiet for a forged motor, and Ron's customer service was top notch. I just got a better deal from a local builder who gave me a "friend" price.
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stames you should ask ron if he still uses his machinist here in slc, west valley actually, saves you shipping him the heads and him shipping them here
I already stopped into this guys house to drop off my heads. He is still shipping the heads to Ron and Ron is going to put the longblock together.
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I had one in my 02 WRX till I got hit head on Ran Rotella 15W40.

I have a built motor now, not an Axis/Raw, but I figure I should still take his advice, so I run Rotella 15W40.

I dont remember who, but I have seen 2 other big name builders recommend that same oil.



BTW I wanted to point out that my new motor not being a Ron motor, has NOTHING to do with the quality of the Ron motor I had, It was very quiet for a forged motor, and Ron's customer service was top notch. I just got a better deal from a local builder who gave me a "friend" price.
Mines a little chatty but I like that way. The piston slap is nothing compared to what I thought it was going to be.
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Old 05-30-2009, 08:41 PM   #75
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Ron called me and gave me the flow differences on my heads. I had the local Guy that does headwork for Ron do the "R&R" service. They re-seated/machined the valves, sunk them and did a multi-angle valve job. Cleaned them up etc... Now I don't know exactly what pressure they flow these at but Ron did give me a comparison.

Stock heads intake flow... 215
My heads now flow... 231

Stock heads exhaust side flow... 175
Mine now flow... 192.6

a 33.6 gain in flow without porting is freaking amazing. Ron was saying that he was surprised at the gains with pretty much just a valve job. He said if I wanted to there is a way to convert it by multiplying my #'s by 1.06 and I would get something. But I didn't really understand so I will leave it as it is. But with the conversion he said I picked up 60 CFM. My motor should be all put together and shipped this thursday. I am getting pretty excited.
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