Track video of me

STi-MAN · 05-10-2009, 03:44 AM

went out to streets of willow and decided to play around with my new go pro. and see what you guys have to say about my driving.

One things for sure.. with high ambient temps.. i was not having fun with the over heating that was happening with the car. dont really know what to fault at. well heres the vid.

Streets of willow Counter Clockwise on Vimeo

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SOW CW
1:27.4

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CPC · 05-10-2009, 04:21 AM

Looking only at your hands and the steering wheel, you have poor steering technique. At one stage your right hand comes all the way over to about 8 o'clock. Try reaching your leading hand up to about 12 o'clock and pull through. You'll find it much easier and smoother.

I didn't look at your lines but the first big corner was a fair way off. Looked like fun though.

Chris.

STi-MAN · 05-10-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CPC

Looking only at your hands and the steering wheel, you have poor steering technique. At one stage your right hand comes all the way over to about 8 o'clock. Try reaching your leading hand up to about 12 o'clock and pull through. You'll find it much easier and smoother.

I didn't look at your lines but the first big corner was a fair way off. Looked like fun though.

Chris.

Thanks for the feed back.. First turn is a hair pin off the straight.. I kept coming in too hot.

was that where you were saying my right hand was at 8? i didnt shift my hand over since right after the hairpin was a immediate right.. but no doubt my steering technique needs major work.

misterwaterfallin · 05-10-2009, 10:37 AM

short sleeves and no gloves?

also you didnt do that well countering the push that you car seemed to be having. Probably caused by going hot into a majority of the corners, and overwinding the steering wheel. When you car starts to be pushy like that break earlier

STi-MAN · 05-10-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by misterwaterfallin

short sleeves and no gloves?

also you didnt do that well countering the push that you car seemed to be having. Probably caused by going hot into a majority of the corners, and overwinding the steering wheel. When you car starts to be pushy like that break earlier

I prob was trying to push the car a bit.. since i was trying to get under 1:29 on street tires.. who said you NEED gloves?

MasterKwan · 05-10-2009, 02:35 PM

They don't require long sleeves or gloves where I go either. I always wear both. One instructor years ago recommended gloves so, you can get out of your burning car and be less likely to get burned hands. After watching a new Z06 catch on fire yesterday, I think that's a good idea.

CPC · 05-10-2009, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by STi-MAN

Thanks for the feed back.. First turn is a hair pin off the straight.. I kept coming in too hot.

was that where you were saying my right hand was at 8? i didnt shift my hand over since right after the hairpin was a immediate right.. but no doubt my steering technique needs major work.

Yes. Watch how harsh and sudden the steer from exit of the hairpin is to the entry of the right hander. It comes up quick but it doesn't need to be that harsh. Weight shift will be too quick and you are compromising grip on the front tyres (which is exagerated with your entry speeds). Steering with your right hand from 8 o'clock has caused that. You right hand needs to be in a position to pull on the wheel in a right hander (most of the time).

Speak with a local instructor about it. I call it (and many other instructors call it) Leading Hand Steering but I've heard it called other things. It's a basic of Roadcraft and a foundation of a lot of Racecraft, especially in cars with long ratio racks.

Chris.

misterwaterfallin · 05-10-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by STi-MAN

who said you NEED gloves?

you dont NEED anything, but why would you go out on track where you are putting your car and yourself in danger without at least a little bit of safety gear?

CPC · 05-10-2009, 11:33 PM

Why are poeple arguing about gloves

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Originally Posted by STi-MAN

went out to streets of willow and decided to play around with my new go pro. and see what you guys have to say about my driving.

misterwaterfallin · 05-10-2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CPC

Why are poeple arguing about gloves

because evidentially he felt insulted by my comment that i found it strange he was in short sleeves and no gloves

STi-MAN · 05-10-2009, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by misterwaterfallin

because evidentially he felt insulted by my comment that i found it strange he was in short sleeves and no gloves

uhh noo.. I wasnt insulted in anyway.. just thought it was a lame nitpicky comment.

it never said in a rule book for my hpde that i had to wear gloves.

but i will say thanks for the info on it being there for safety reasons.. I honestly thought the sole reason for gloves was more for feel and grip rather then so that your fingers dont burn up or hot surfaces.. so i didn't want to come off as being pretentious by having gloves. I'll prob pick a pair up.

STi-MAN · 05-10-2009, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CPC

Yes. Watch how harsh and sudden the steer from exit of the hairpin is to the entry of the right hander. It comes up quick but it doesn't need to be that harsh. Weight shift will be too quick and you are compromising grip on the front tyres (which is exagerated with your entry speeds). Steering with your right hand from 8 o'clock has caused that. You right hand needs to be in a position to pull on the wheel in a right hander (most of the time).

Speak with a local instructor about it. I call it (and many other instructors call it) Leading Hand Steering but I've heard it called other things. It's a basic of Roadcraft and a foundation of a lot of Racecraft, especially in cars with long ratio racks.

Chris.

Chris,

So what you're saying is that my right hand should have been at the 12 o clock position on the steering wheel? to help pull down for the right?

I know there are different schools of thought on steering position.. i read and was taught to keep hands at 3 and 9 as long as possible. similar to this clip

YouTube - 2009-3 Oli's Personal Best at Streets of Willow Springs - 1:21.581 CCW

but i'll try out your advice.

kcook · 05-11-2009, 12:03 AM

edit : nvm

CPC · 05-11-2009, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by STi-MAN

Chris,

So what you're saying is that my right hand should have been at the 12 o clock position on the steering wheel? to help pull down for the right?

I know there are different schools of thought on steering position.. i read and was taught to keep hands at 3 and 9 as long as possible.

I'm sure I'll be leaving myself open to the hate of many but I'll explain what I mean. 3 and 9 is where it's at. I think it might have been better to reach up to 12 o'clock with your left hand before the hairpin and pull through. Right hand remains at 3 o'clock. On the exit your left hand is bringing the wheel back up and you reach higher with your right, effectivly finding where 3 o'clock was prior to the turn. Right hand grips and steers through the right hander.

There is a lot of different opinions about steering. That's mine. I've read the opposite where it's better to push the wheel than to pull but you have less fine motor control with a push and the push can move your shoulder blade from the seat on the side you need to be bracing with (although this is less of a problem in a car with proper racing seats and a harness). The "push/pull" argument usually comes down to wrist angles when racing but I think the cons of pushing outweigh those of pulling.

Hold your hands up in front of you now like your holding a steering wheel (at 3 and 9). Make the turn you made on the left hand hairpin, with your right hand all the way around to 8 o'clock. Look how crossed up you are. Look at your wrist position. Look at your right shoulder all squashed up and see how it pushed your neck and head over. Is that a good position to be steering out of a hairpin into the right hander? Now start again but reach up to 12 o'clock with your left hand and pull through, with your right remaining around 3 o'clock. As you start to take steering off with the left the right reaches up from the parallel, takes the wheel and pulls through for the right hander. The left gies back down to around 9. Your hands had to leave the wheel but the steering would have been easier and more controlled.

Obviously you're not going to do that for all corners. The yellow strip on the wheel to identify straight ahead is handy when racing so you don't reach to far when coming back out of a corner. Instructors will often use a bit of electrical tape on a students car to help with steering.

I'm not trying to take anything away from that guy in the video. He's obviously a professional. I've never driven that track or even seen it (don't even live in the US) but it just looks different to how I'd approach it. He is also resting a lot at 2 and 10, which is different to me too. Like I said, there is a lot of different opinions about steering.

Am I clear as mud?

Chris.

STi-MAN · 05-11-2009, 02:53 AM

^super clear..

Thanks for the explaining.. I see what you're saying and will definitely try that out when im out there next time.

nevergivethatup · 05-11-2009, 03:34 AM

I was there yesterday also =)
was in the white group with some friends but should of signed up in the blue or purple. =/ too bad i didnt get a timer so i dont know my times.

The lines you took for the turn 1&2 (skid pad) was very diffrent then mine. the right hand before the shakane (sp?) started kinda on the inside. Some parts you still had room on the course. Wish i was in your group i was passing everyone in the white group =P

STi-MAN · 05-11-2009, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by nevergivethatup

I was there yesterday also =)
was in the white group with some friends but should of signed up in the blue or purple. =/ too bad i didnt get a timer so i dont know my times.

The lines you took for the turn 1&2 (skid pad) was very diffrent then mine. the right hand before the shakane (sp?) started kinda on the inside. Some parts you still had room on the course. Wish i was in your group i was passing everyone in the white group =P

Yeah, i was in the black group.. i think the only blue 05 out there.

i was trying out some different lines, this clip happened to be my fastest of the day. if it wasn't for the heat i think i could have ran a 1:28.. since i've run 1:29 both cw and ccw.. but we'll see when the temps start to drop.

I tried both going out to the yellow patch before the chicane and cutting early.. i think cutting early might be faster.

You should def. get a timer.. its the only way to know if your actually improving.

nevergivethatup · 05-11-2009, 04:44 AM

i was the silver 04 wrx out there. Probably the only wrx.

mav1c · 05-11-2009, 08:18 AM

It's already been said, but yeah, you need to learn some "shuffle steering" techniques to keep from crossing your hands so much. CPC explains it well. Also, you need to work more on the old "slow in, fast out" theory. Seemed like you were too hot into the tight corners which killed your line and exit speed.

STi-MAN · 05-11-2009, 03:42 PM

^ yea i'll try out the shuffle technique.

Basically this wasnt the cleanest clip but it was the fastest.. i have no problem going in slow and coming out fast.. but right now im trying to find the maximum corner speeds.. most of the push i think can be dialed out with me coming in a tad bit slower, playing with the shocks and the tire pressures as well.

Can you be specific on where else coming in too hot killed exit speeds? i came in too hot the turn before the last turn and the straight away for sure. thanks

reference most cars sti/evo's that run under 1:30 are R comp'ed on this track..

Superorb · 05-12-2009, 11:39 AM

I think the 1st thing I noticed were lack of long sleeves and gloves. But if it's not in the rules, it's optional (albeit recommended).

That looks like a nice course with many possible configurations.

bluscoobyboy · 05-12-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterKwan

They don't require long sleeves or gloves where I go either. I always wear both. One instructor years ago recommended gloves so, you can get out of your burning car and be less likely to get burned hands. After watching a new Z06 catch on fire yesterday, I think that's a good idea.

I was about 4 or 5 cars back when that happened on the beginning end of the front straight when that happened. They stopped us right near start/finish.

his car was only 2 months old with around 3k miles on it.

Superorb · 05-12-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bluscoobyboy

I was about 4 or 5 cars back when that happened on the beginning end of the front straight when that happened. They stopped us right near start/finish.

his car was only 2 months old with around 3k miles on it.

Did he properly break it in?

STi-MAN · 05-12-2009, 03:10 PM

^ im guessing oil leak. then fire?

what sucks is on the day i went racing someone had a brand new 09 sti.. and spun a bearing..

prob didnt check the oil level before tracking it.

STi-MAN · 01-11-2010, 03:07 PM

new vid.

SOW CW
1:27.4

YouTube- Streets of Willow CW 1:27.4 Sti

YouTube- Laps around SOW CW

second video are slower laps trying to catch up with the gt3rs

05-11-2009, 03:42 PM	#20
STi-MAN Scooby Guru Member#: 70252 Join Date: Sep 2004 Vehicle: 05 STI blue	^ yea i'll try out the shuffle technique. Basically this wasnt the cleanest clip but it was the fastest.. i have no problem going in slow and coming out fast.. but right now im trying to find the maximum corner speeds.. most of the push i think can be dialed out with me coming in a tad bit slower, playing with the shocks and the tire pressures as well. Can you be specific on where else coming in too hot killed exit speeds? i came in too hot the turn before the last turn and the straight away for sure. thanks reference most cars sti/evo's that run under 1:30 are R comp'ed on this track.. Last edited by STi-MAN; 05-11-2009 at 03:49 PM.

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05-10-2009, 04:21 AM	#2
CPC Scooby Newbie Member#: 123085 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Australia Vehicle: 2006 WRX	Looking only at your hands and the steering wheel, you have poor steering technique. At one stage your right hand comes all the way over to about 8 o'clock. Try reaching your leading hand up to about 12 o'clock and pull through. You'll find it much easier and smoother. I didn't look at your lines but the first big corner was a fair way off. Looked like fun though. Chris.

05-10-2009, 10:37 AM	#4
misterwaterfallin Scooby Specialist Member#: 101091 Join Date: Nov 2005 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Seattle, WA	short sleeves and no gloves? also you didnt do that well countering the push that you car seemed to be having. Probably caused by going hot into a majority of the corners, and overwinding the steering wheel. When you car starts to be pushy like that break earlier

05-10-2009, 02:35 PM	#6
MasterKwan Scooby Guru Member#: 98961 Join Date: Oct 2005 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: NOVA Vehicle: 2003 WRX Black	They don't require long sleeves or gloves where I go either. I always wear both. One instructor years ago recommended gloves so, you can get out of your burning car and be less likely to get burned hands. After watching a new Z06 catch on fire yesterday, I think that's a good idea.

05-11-2009, 12:03 AM	#13
kcook Scooby Newbie Member#: 78074 Join Date: Dec 2004 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: NoVA Vehicle: 2005 STi Aspen White	edit : nvm

05-11-2009, 02:53 AM	#15
STi-MAN Scooby Guru Member#: 70252 Join Date: Sep 2004 Vehicle: 05 STI blue	^super clear.. Thanks for the explaining.. I see what you're saying and will definitely try that out when im out there next time.

05-11-2009, 03:34 AM	#16
nevergivethatup Scooby Newbie Member#: 49000 Join Date: Nov 2003 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: CA Vehicle: 2004 WRX PSM	I was there yesterday also =) was in the white group with some friends but should of signed up in the blue or purple. =/ too bad i didnt get a timer so i dont know my times. The lines you took for the turn 1&2 (skid pad) was very diffrent then mine. the right hand before the shakane (sp?) started kinda on the inside. Some parts you still had room on the course. Wish i was in your group i was passing everyone in the white group =P

05-11-2009, 04:44 AM	#18
nevergivethatup Scooby Newbie Member#: 49000 Join Date: Nov 2003 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: CA Vehicle: 2004 WRX PSM	i was the silver 04 wrx out there. Probably the only wrx.

05-11-2009, 08:18 AM	#19
mav1c Hoodbridge! Moderator Member#: 560 Join Date: Nov 1999 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Woodbridge, VA Vehicle: 2006 STi, '11 A4 Crystal Gray, Silver	It's already been said, but yeah, you need to learn some "shuffle steering" techniques to keep from crossing your hands so much. CPC explains it well. Also, you need to work more on the old "slow in, fast out" theory. Seemed like you were too hot into the tight corners which killed your line and exit speed.

05-12-2009, 11:39 AM	#21
Superorb Scooby Guru Member#: 135252 Join Date: Dec 2006 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: Denver, CO Vehicle: 2002 WRX Wagon 86% Operational :(	I think the 1st thing I noticed were lack of long sleeves and gloves. But if it's not in the rules, it's optional (albeit recommended). That looks like a nice course with many possible configurations.

05-12-2009, 03:10 PM	#24
STi-MAN Scooby Guru Member#: 70252 Join Date: Sep 2004 Vehicle: 05 STI blue	^ im guessing oil leak. then fire? what sucks is on the day i went racing someone had a brand new 09 sti.. and spun a bearing.. prob didnt check the oil level before tracking it.