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Old 05-10-2009, 10:51 PM   #1
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GM To The CAW: New Agreement Or We Liquidate
TheGMSource - What do you do if your GM and your starring bankruptcy in the face? You approach your Union leaders in the CAW and ask for concessions. If your the CAW you reach an agreement just ratified last month giving GM what they want: More concessions.
Today though we're being told GM has once more went back to the CAW with a new ultimatium: More concessions or we liquidate our Canadian operations.
That's what the CAW's claiming GM has said. Both GM and Canadian representatives called the CAW to a meeting this morning. According to CAW President Ken Lewenza he was told that the CAW must go back to the table and give GM more. According to him, if no agreement is reached between GM and the CAW then "there will be no financial support for GM by Canadian governments and "Canadian operations will be liquidated."

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Old 05-10-2009, 11:22 PM   #2
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That's pretty harsh.
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Old 05-10-2009, 11:55 PM   #3
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Old 05-11-2009, 01:17 AM   #4
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I swear gm loves meetings.
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Old 05-11-2009, 06:49 AM   #5
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Good, let the unions squirm like roaches.

Its disgusting that it takes GM to face extinction before they will talk reasonable benefits
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Old 05-11-2009, 07:53 AM   #6
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Old 05-11-2009, 10:04 AM   #7
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^^Indeed. Also:

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GM has once more went back to the CAW
Was this written by a 3rd-grader?
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Old 05-11-2009, 10:46 AM   #8
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So much for Camaro production, I feel bad for those guys waiting on their SS orders.
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Old 05-11-2009, 11:33 AM   #9
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It's pretty stupid - on both groups part. GM should NEVER have agreed to the original agreement tabled a few months back. Back then it was, "Yes those were sufficient concessions", and now it isn't? Either that was some piss poor managers or they were waiting for Chrysler to do the dirty work.
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Old 05-11-2009, 11:40 AM   #10
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It's pretty stupid - on both groups part. GM should NEVER have agreed to the original agreement tabled a few months back. Back then it was, "Yes those were sufficient concessions", and now it isn't? Either that was some piss poor managers or they were waiting for Chrysler to do the dirty work.
I doubt they could get the CAW to agree to what they wanted the 1st time around. Now they are in a better position and will.

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The federal government has given the Canadian auto workers an ultimatum to bring down the labour costs of its workers at General Motors Corp. to the level of Toyota Motor Corp.’s assembly factories in the country or GM’s Canadian operations will be liquidated, the union said Thursday.

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The CAW last month agreed to a new labour deal with Chrysler LLC that will save the company the equivalent of $19 an hour in all-in costs. That satisfied the Canadian governments, which are supporting Chrysler in its bankruptcy reorganization.

At the time, the CAW had said it would offer the same labour contract to both GM and Ford Motor Co. It now says it may not offer the same thing to all three companies. It says the higher productivity of GM’s Canadian plants has to be taken into consideration. The union says it may need to agree to change GM worker pensions, which it is refusing to do.
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Old 05-11-2009, 11:42 AM   #11
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This just shows how incompetent GM management is.

They signed an agreement ONE MONTH ago with the CAW, and now GM goes back and says "umm no, we fubared again and need even more concessions"?!? F that.

I would fully expected to see some of GM's Canadian factories get set on fire for that kind of BS.


Wagoner shouldn't have been the only one fired... every top executive should have been fired.
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Old 05-11-2009, 01:14 PM   #12
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The CAW ain't the UAW. I predict they will call GM's bluff.

Remember, it costs GM less to build cars in Canada than the US because of the nationalized healthcare system there. That's why GM builds more cars in Ontario than Michigan.

I wouldn't hold my breath for any more givebacks.
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Old 05-11-2009, 03:49 PM   #13
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I doubt they could get the CAW to agree to what they wanted the 1st time around. Now they are in a better position and will.
Quite possibly - thus I alluded to them letting Chrysler do the dirty work of "breaking" the union first. I still think it shows a lack of good mgt - being strong enough to admit the problem and put your foot down to show how serious you are with turning things around.

Should GM go into Chapter 11, how would it affect any contracts w/ the union? Just wondering if it is a moot point since it looks like they are heading there anyways.
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Old 05-11-2009, 06:23 PM   #14
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CAW to GM: 'where are you gonna go; Detroit!?'
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Old 05-12-2009, 03:03 PM   #15
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It should be more like GM -> CAW. "As of this moment the union will tear up any contracts and we will start at 0 with no union and try to build a strong Company or we can have it your way and all of you lose your jobs, we'll liquidate and you will have nothing anyway"

You choose.
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