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Old 04-21-2002, 11:26 AM   #1
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Question what to go with?: Bigger horizontal or FMIC?

ok, i've heard different perspectives on this. i'll keep it short

Bigger Horizontal: less piping = less pressure loss. better for boost.

FMIC = pressure loss does occur. more air flow. can make up for pressure loss by running higher boost. Scary "i'll eat you" looks

what's your take? does either one really have a significant advantage?
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Old 04-21-2002, 05:58 PM   #2
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Default my experience.

The stock intercooler will get heat soaked becuase its right next to the motor and the turbo .Were as the front mount will not get heat soaked ,and will get colder as you move. Now i know there 2 different cars but i have a 87 Grand National and the front mount went 4 tenths quicker in the 1/4 mile over a bigger aftermarket stock location intercooler. So don't waste your money. Get the front mount.Mines on the way. Greddy with a VF30 turbo and HKS header Can't wait
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Old 04-21-2002, 07:33 PM   #3
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Well the way I see it, TMIC don't always get heat soak unless your sitting in traffic. I can pull in my garage, pop the hood, and the intercooler will be cool to the touch. Now, if I go back out in 10-15 minutes, it will be warm. So, I think that I disagree with you, as the pressure loss with the amount of piping you need for a front mount on a Subie (with respect to the location of the throttle body) can be detrimental to boost, and increased turbo lag. Not to mention the extra money involved with having one of these. Now, when your talking about running higher boost levels (15 psi +), a front mount could make a difference, and I am sure that is why you saw such a difference with your Grand National.

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Old 04-21-2002, 08:53 PM   #4
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Now, when your talking about running higher boost levels (15 psi +), a front mount could make a difference
Isn't the point of running a larger intercooler is to be able to run higher boost at safe levels? i mean why bother upgrading the intercooler otherwise?

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Old 04-22-2002, 12:01 AM   #5
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Ok children we are going to play a new game...

Lets see who can HACK up more of their front end!!!

I think teh worste part about FMIC is cutting front end body parts including bumper supports and bumper beams not to mention imagine how much extra you would have to pay if you get into a front end collision...

not that I would ever do that... ummm.... yeah

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Old 04-22-2002, 12:23 AM   #6
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how about a zerosports front bumper. that thing has a huge opening for a huge FMIC.

good luck
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Old 04-22-2002, 12:26 AM   #7
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Ok children we are going to play a new game...

Lets see who can HACK up more of their front end!!!

I think teh worste part about FMIC is cutting front end body parts including bumper supports and bumper beams not to mention imagine how much extra you would have to pay if you get into a front end collision...

not that I would ever do that... ummm.... yeah

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call me crazy but i refuse to believe that EVERY FMIC system requires cutting away at parts. I'd believe that for larger than normal ones but not ALL of them. Maybe i'm naive coming from the honda scene where putting in an intercooler isn't an adventure in tearing up your front end.
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Old 04-22-2002, 12:27 AM   #8
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didnt someone use an 18wheeler's FMIC and got it for super cheap?
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Old 04-22-2002, 02:47 AM   #9
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anyone ever thought of air to water?
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Old 04-22-2002, 10:05 AM   #10
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anyone ever thought of air to water?
isn't that a bit pricey? plus talk about hacking up your front end. geez. to fit the resovoir in the engine bay god knows how much stuff you'd have to move around.
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Old 04-22-2002, 12:50 PM   #11
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Yes, that is my plan for the Wagon. Legacy Air/water IC.

I haven't decided on the other parts yet, but I'm guessing this will be less than $500 total.
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Old 04-22-2002, 01:08 PM   #12
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