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Old 05-11-2009, 02:06 PM   #1
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Washington, D.C. - California’s major urban roadways are the roughest in the U.S., according to a report released by Transportation California. The road conditions cost an average driver in the state at least US$590 a year in extra vehicle operating costs.

According to the report, 35 per cent of major urban roads in California are in poor condition, as are more than 50 per cent of pavements in seven California cities with populations of 250,000 or more. Los Angeles, San Jose and San Francisco-Oakland top the list of the 20 urban areas across the U.S. with the highest percentage of bad roads.

“The whole system is cracking,” said Mark Watts, executive director of Transportation California. “Almost half of the urban areas with the worst road conditions are found in California. Despite our successes in increasing transportation infrastructure investment over the past few years, we are not even close to digging ourselves out of the hole that years of neglect created.

With regard to road quality, our safety and maintenance program, which is funded by fuel excise levies, has been hamstrung by the erosion of both the gas tax revenue stream and buying power. As a result, the motoring public is forced to foot the bill for crummy road conditions. An increase in the gas tax would more than pay for itself in reducing out-of-pocket expenses for motorists.”

Cities with populations of 500,000 or more with the greatest share of major roads and highways with pavements in poor condition include Honolulu, New York, Newark, New Orleans, Tulsa, San Antonio, Albuquerque, Philadelphia and Detroit
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Old 05-11-2009, 02:27 PM   #2
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Question: Is there anything that CA can't royally **** up?
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Old 05-11-2009, 02:31 PM   #3
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^ The women.
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Old 05-11-2009, 02:37 PM   #4
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how is it that a state that doesnt have freezing winters can have such bad roads when compared to those that do... oh well.

and +1 to the women comment.
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Old 05-11-2009, 02:38 PM   #5
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I remember driving down any given road in LA.

BAM! ... bent wheel.
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Old 05-11-2009, 02:39 PM   #6
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At least my taxes just went up again! Yeah California!
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Old 05-11-2009, 02:40 PM   #7
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how is it that a state that doesnt have freezing winters can have such bad roads when compared to those that do... oh well.

and +1 to the women comment.

One big part of the reason: because for every California dollar paid to the federal government, less than 1 dollar comes back.

Other reasons include the legislature delegating budgets to the voters...and idiots believing advertising which says that voting for more spending won't raise their taxes.
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Old 05-11-2009, 02:43 PM   #8
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It really depends on where you drive in California. The L.A. area is definitely going to have the crappiest road surfaces out there, given their budget along with the high volume of traffic that goes through the roads at any given time, even at night. On the other hand, I live in Orange County, and the streets around here get re-paved every few years. The 73 freeway is probably one of the smoothest ones here. On the other hand, the 405 and the 5 (particularly when they pass through L.A.) are so rough that I think I have a flat tire every time I drive through them.
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Old 05-11-2009, 02:43 PM   #9
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For the record I doubt this is true. Having lived in both places Michigan's roads are WAY worse.
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Old 05-11-2009, 02:45 PM   #10
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oh no!!! the ignorance from the NESIC... Im soooooo scared!!!

your regions jealousy cracks me up...
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Old 05-11-2009, 02:46 PM   #11
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that's funny, i noticed in san diego they always seem to be repaving roads that don't even need to be repaved compared to the ignored bad roads that are around...
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Old 05-11-2009, 03:20 PM   #12
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I was just over in the Bay area/Marin, and took I-50 from Tahoe to Sacramento. I have *no* complaints about the roads.

None at all. Really, anyone in that area that complains should be sent to Detroit so they can have something to really whine about.
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Old 05-11-2009, 03:26 PM   #13
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Food, wine, beer & (1 out of 100) women.

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oh no!!! the ignorance from the NESIC... Im soooooo scared!!!

your regions jealousy cracks me up...
Sorry, pal -- he's got a lower member # than you, so he wins...

Seriously, though -- CA's in rough shape. You have my sympathies.
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Old 05-11-2009, 03:36 PM   #14
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And this is what happens when you completely ignore your infrastructure for 2 or 3 decades... like OMG, stuff eventually breaks down and things wear out. Like no way!1!!

And that is not just a comment on CA either, this whole country's infrastructure has been neglected since the 80s. We need another massive public works project along the lines of the original National Highway system to fix the very infrastructure that were used to build and expand this country's economy and has been neglected for way too long.
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Old 05-11-2009, 03:53 PM   #15
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I was just over in the Bay area/Marin, and took I-50 from Tahoe to Sacramento. I have *no* complaints about the roads.
They redo that road once every year or two because of the abuse that vehicles using chains inflict on it during the winter. I'm not certain, but I *think* that both 50 and 80 between Tahoe and Sac are subsidized by the resorts.
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Old 05-11-2009, 04:24 PM   #17
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I was watching the news this morning they said SF,Oakland, and San Jose are the most f'd up roads lol.
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Old 05-11-2009, 04:29 PM   #18
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The problem around LA is beyond the budget as well. Unfortunately our roads are over utilized at all hours of the day and thus shutting something down causes a myriad of problems and creates huge uproars from the general public. The roads around here have been ignored for a good long time.

There are also issues with the Public Works Department and their communication with the Water and Power Department as well as the local TelCos. So essentially what you will have is a crew repaving on Monday and being done of Friday then the Power or Sewage department comes out and tears it us on Tuesday and patches it back up then the following week the TelCo comes and rips it all out again to do their work.
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All the bullcrap tickets and smog emissions and infinite clean air taxes and they don't have decent roads? What a stunner!!!!
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All the bullcrap tickets and smog emissions and infinite clean air taxes and they don't have decent roads? What a stunner!!!!
Maybe not, but us here in LA can actually take a breath without getting dizzy again. After all, isn't that what the "smog emissions and infinite clean air taxes" were for to being with. I fail to see what that has to do with road infrastructure maintenance. Then again, people that love to talk trash about California don't really need a good reason that makes sense, do they?
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Old 05-11-2009, 04:42 PM   #21
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how is it that a state that doesnt have freezing winters can have such bad roads when compared to those that do... oh well.

and +1 to the women comment.
California is more earthquake prone than most US states which contributes to the high cost of maintenance and the frequency with which it needs to be done.
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San Diego has awful roads. They will install some utilities then just patch the trench. When the roads get all cracked and out of shape, the just fill in the cracks. Downtown is terrible, chocolate chip cookies have a smoother surface area. They never completely redo roads out here, they just half *** it.
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yeah, but most people in california are imported from another state or country...
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Old 05-11-2009, 05:44 PM   #24
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Maybe not, but us here in LA can actually take a breath without getting dizzy again. After all, isn't that what the "smog emissions and infinite clean air taxes" were for to being with. I fail to see what that has to do with road infrastructure maintenance. Then again, people that love to talk trash about California don't really need a good reason that makes sense, do they?
relevant or not, California is on the wrong track. Its basically an amazing location being run by morons.

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San Diego has awful roads. They will install some utilities then just patch the trench. When the roads get all cracked and out of shape, the just fill in the cracks. Downtown is terrible, chocolate chip cookies have a smoother surface area. They never completely redo roads out here, they just half *** it.
not to burst your bubble, but thats pretty much how pavement is repaired....

here in New England, after the winter is over you see massive potholes, massive cracks and even uprooted pavement where plows get stuck and just rip apart the pavement...

RARELY they will redo the entire road
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As for the infrastructure comment, I have to give BAMA credit on that, I think he is a clueless moron most of the time, but he did say he wants to rejuvenate the electrical grid in the US.

Hardly a bad idea. And EXACTLY the kind of thing the government is suppose to be doing.
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