Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Friday November 21, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC General > Motorsports

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-10-2009, 04:44 AM   #1
STi-MAN
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 70252
Join Date: Sep 2004
Vehicle:
05 STI
blue

Default Track video of me

went out to streets of willow and decided to play around with my new go pro. and see what you guys have to say about my driving.

One things for sure.. with high ambient temps.. i was not having fun with the over heating that was happening with the car. dont really know what to fault at. well heres the vid.


New vides 1/9/10

new vid.

SOW CW
1:27.4


* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

Last edited by STi-MAN; 01-11-2010 at 09:07 PM.
STi-MAN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2009, 05:21 AM   #2
CPC
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 123085
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Australia
Vehicle:
2006 WRX

Default

Looking only at your hands and the steering wheel, you have poor steering technique. At one stage your right hand comes all the way over to about 8 o'clock. Try reaching your leading hand up to about 12 o'clock and pull through. You'll find it much easier and smoother.

I didn't look at your lines but the first big corner was a fair way off. Looked like fun though.

Chris.
CPC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2009, 11:16 AM   #3
STi-MAN
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 70252
Join Date: Sep 2004
Vehicle:
05 STI
blue

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CPC View Post
Looking only at your hands and the steering wheel, you have poor steering technique. At one stage your right hand comes all the way over to about 8 o'clock. Try reaching your leading hand up to about 12 o'clock and pull through. You'll find it much easier and smoother.

I didn't look at your lines but the first big corner was a fair way off. Looked like fun though.

Chris.
Thanks for the feed back.. First turn is a hair pin off the straight.. I kept coming in too hot.

was that where you were saying my right hand was at 8? i didnt shift my hand over since right after the hairpin was a immediate right.. but no doubt my steering technique needs major work.
STi-MAN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2009, 11:37 AM   #4
misterwaterfallin
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 101091
Join Date: Nov 2005
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Seattle, WA
Default

short sleeves and no gloves?

also you didnt do that well countering the push that you car seemed to be having. Probably caused by going hot into a majority of the corners, and overwinding the steering wheel. When you car starts to be pushy like that break earlier
misterwaterfallin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2009, 11:52 AM   #5
STi-MAN
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 70252
Join Date: Sep 2004
Vehicle:
05 STI
blue

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by misterwaterfallin View Post
short sleeves and no gloves?

also you didnt do that well countering the push that you car seemed to be having. Probably caused by going hot into a majority of the corners, and overwinding the steering wheel. When you car starts to be pushy like that break earlier
I prob was trying to push the car a bit.. since i was trying to get under 1:29 on street tires.. who said you NEED gloves?

Last edited by STi-MAN; 05-10-2009 at 12:02 PM.
STi-MAN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2009, 03:35 PM   #6
MasterKwan
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 98961
Join Date: Oct 2005
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: NOVA
Vehicle:
2003 WRX
Black

Default

They don't require long sleeves or gloves where I go either. I always wear both. One instructor years ago recommended gloves so, you can get out of your burning car and be less likely to get burned hands. After watching a new Z06 catch on fire yesterday, I think that's a good idea.
MasterKwan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2009, 08:07 PM   #7
CPC
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 123085
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Australia
Vehicle:
2006 WRX

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by STi-MAN View Post
Thanks for the feed back.. First turn is a hair pin off the straight.. I kept coming in too hot.

was that where you were saying my right hand was at 8? i didnt shift my hand over since right after the hairpin was a immediate right.. but no doubt my steering technique needs major work.
Yes. Watch how harsh and sudden the steer from exit of the hairpin is to the entry of the right hander. It comes up quick but it doesn't need to be that harsh. Weight shift will be too quick and you are compromising grip on the front tyres (which is exagerated with your entry speeds). Steering with your right hand from 8 o'clock has caused that. You right hand needs to be in a position to pull on the wheel in a right hander (most of the time).

Speak with a local instructor about it. I call it (and many other instructors call it) Leading Hand Steering but I've heard it called other things. It's a basic of Roadcraft and a foundation of a lot of Racecraft, especially in cars with long ratio racks.

Chris.
CPC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2009, 10:38 PM   #8
misterwaterfallin
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 101091
Join Date: Nov 2005
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Seattle, WA
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by STi-MAN View Post
who said you NEED gloves?
you dont NEED anything, but why would you go out on track where you are putting your car and yourself in danger without at least a little bit of safety gear?
misterwaterfallin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2009, 12:33 AM   #9
CPC
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 123085
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Australia
Vehicle:
2006 WRX

Default

Why are poeple arguing about gloves

Quote:
Originally Posted by STi-MAN View Post
went out to streets of willow and decided to play around with my new go pro. and see what you guys have to say about my driving.
CPC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2009, 12:36 AM   #10
misterwaterfallin
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 101091
Join Date: Nov 2005
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Seattle, WA
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CPC View Post
Why are poeple arguing about gloves
because evidentially he felt insulted by my comment that i found it strange he was in short sleeves and no gloves
misterwaterfallin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2009, 12:50 AM   #11
STi-MAN
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 70252
Join Date: Sep 2004
Vehicle:
05 STI
blue

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by misterwaterfallin View Post
because evidentially he felt insulted by my comment that i found it strange he was in short sleeves and no gloves
uhh noo.. I wasnt insulted in anyway.. just thought it was a lame nitpicky comment.

it never said in a rule book for my hpde that i had to wear gloves.


but i will say thanks for the info on it being there for safety reasons.. I honestly thought the sole reason for gloves was more for feel and grip rather then so that your fingers dont burn up or hot surfaces.. so i didn't want to come off as being pretentious by having gloves. I'll prob pick a pair up.

Last edited by STi-MAN; 05-11-2009 at 12:56 AM.
STi-MAN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2009, 12:56 AM   #12
STi-MAN
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 70252
Join Date: Sep 2004
Vehicle:
05 STI
blue

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CPC View Post
Yes. Watch how harsh and sudden the steer from exit of the hairpin is to the entry of the right hander. It comes up quick but it doesn't need to be that harsh. Weight shift will be too quick and you are compromising grip on the front tyres (which is exagerated with your entry speeds). Steering with your right hand from 8 o'clock has caused that. You right hand needs to be in a position to pull on the wheel in a right hander (most of the time).

Speak with a local instructor about it. I call it (and many other instructors call it) Leading Hand Steering but I've heard it called other things. It's a basic of Roadcraft and a foundation of a lot of Racecraft, especially in cars with long ratio racks.

Chris.
Chris,

So what you're saying is that my right hand should have been at the 12 o clock position on the steering wheel? to help pull down for the right?

I know there are different schools of thought on steering position.. i read and was taught to keep hands at 3 and 9 as long as possible. similar to this clip


but i'll try out your advice.
STi-MAN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2009, 01:03 AM   #13
kcook
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 78074
Join Date: Dec 2004
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: NoVA
Vehicle:
2005 STi
Aspen White

Default

edit : nvm
kcook is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2009, 03:39 AM   #14
CPC
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 123085
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Australia
Vehicle:
2006 WRX

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by STi-MAN View Post
Chris,

So what you're saying is that my right hand should have been at the 12 o clock position on the steering wheel? to help pull down for the right?

I know there are different schools of thought on steering position.. i read and was taught to keep hands at 3 and 9 as long as possible.
I'm sure I'll be leaving myself open to the hate of many but I'll explain what I mean. 3 and 9 is where it's at. I think it might have been better to reach up to 12 o'clock with your left hand before the hairpin and pull through. Right hand remains at 3 o'clock. On the exit your left hand is bringing the wheel back up and you reach higher with your right, effectivly finding where 3 o'clock was prior to the turn. Right hand grips and steers through the right hander.

There is a lot of different opinions about steering. That's mine. I've read the opposite where it's better to push the wheel than to pull but you have less fine motor control with a push and the push can move your shoulder blade from the seat on the side you need to be bracing with (although this is less of a problem in a car with proper racing seats and a harness). The "push/pull" argument usually comes down to wrist angles when racing but I think the cons of pushing outweigh those of pulling.

Hold your hands up in front of you now like your holding a steering wheel (at 3 and 9). Make the turn you made on the left hand hairpin, with your right hand all the way around to 8 o'clock. Look how crossed up you are. Look at your wrist position. Look at your right shoulder all squashed up and see how it pushed your neck and head over. Is that a good position to be steering out of a hairpin into the right hander? Now start again but reach up to 12 o'clock with your left hand and pull through, with your right remaining around 3 o'clock. As you start to take steering off with the left the right reaches up from the parallel, takes the wheel and pulls through for the right hander. The left gies back down to around 9. Your hands had to leave the wheel but the steering would have been easier and more controlled.

Obviously you're not going to do that for all corners. The yellow strip on the wheel to identify straight ahead is handy when racing so you don't reach to far when coming back out of a corner. Instructors will often use a bit of electrical tape on a students car to help with steering.

I'm not trying to take anything away from that guy in the video. He's obviously a professional. I've never driven that track or even seen it (don't even live in the US) but it just looks different to how I'd approach it. He is also resting a lot at 2 and 10, which is different to me too. Like I said, there is a lot of different opinions about steering.

Am I clear as mud?

Chris.
CPC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2009, 03:53 AM   #15
STi-MAN
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 70252
Join Date: Sep 2004
Vehicle:
05 STI
blue

Default

^super clear..

Thanks for the explaining.. I see what you're saying and will definitely try that out when im out there next time.
STi-MAN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2009, 04:34 AM   #16
nevergivethatup
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 49000
Join Date: Nov 2003
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: CA
Vehicle:
2004 WRX
PSM

Default

I was there yesterday also =)
was in the white group with some friends but should of signed up in the blue or purple. =/ too bad i didnt get a timer so i dont know my times.

The lines you took for the turn 1&2 (skid pad) was very diffrent then mine. the right hand before the shakane (sp?) started kinda on the inside. Some parts you still had room on the course. Wish i was in your group i was passing everyone in the white group =P
nevergivethatup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2009, 04:41 AM   #17
STi-MAN
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 70252
Join Date: Sep 2004
Vehicle:
05 STI
blue

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nevergivethatup View Post
I was there yesterday also =)
was in the white group with some friends but should of signed up in the blue or purple. =/ too bad i didnt get a timer so i dont know my times.

The lines you took for the turn 1&2 (skid pad) was very diffrent then mine. the right hand before the shakane (sp?) started kinda on the inside. Some parts you still had room on the course. Wish i was in your group i was passing everyone in the white group =P
Yeah, i was in the black group.. i think the only blue 05 out there.

i was trying out some different lines, this clip happened to be my fastest of the day. if it wasn't for the heat i think i could have ran a 1:28.. since i've run 1:29 both cw and ccw.. but we'll see when the temps start to drop.

I tried both going out to the yellow patch before the chicane and cutting early.. i think cutting early might be faster.

You should def. get a timer.. its the only way to know if your actually improving.
STi-MAN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2009, 05:44 AM   #18
nevergivethatup
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 49000
Join Date: Nov 2003
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: CA
Vehicle:
2004 WRX
PSM

Default

i was the silver 04 wrx out there. Probably the only wrx.
nevergivethatup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2009, 09:18 AM   #19
mav1c
Hoodbridge!
Moderator
 
Member#: 560
Join Date: Nov 1999
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Woodbridge, VA
Vehicle:
2006 STi, '11 A4
Crystal Gray, Silver

Default

It's already been said, but yeah, you need to learn some "shuffle steering" techniques to keep from crossing your hands so much. CPC explains it well. Also, you need to work more on the old "slow in, fast out" theory. Seemed like you were too hot into the tight corners which killed your line and exit speed.
mav1c is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2009, 04:42 PM   #20
STi-MAN
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 70252
Join Date: Sep 2004
Vehicle:
05 STI
blue

Default

^ yea i'll try out the shuffle technique.

Basically this wasnt the cleanest clip but it was the fastest.. i have no problem going in slow and coming out fast.. but right now im trying to find the maximum corner speeds.. most of the push i think can be dialed out with me coming in a tad bit slower, playing with the shocks and the tire pressures as well.

Can you be specific on where else coming in too hot killed exit speeds? i came in too hot the turn before the last turn and the straight away for sure. thanks



reference most cars sti/evo's that run under 1:30 are R comp'ed on this track..

Last edited by STi-MAN; 05-11-2009 at 04:49 PM.
STi-MAN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2009, 12:39 PM   #21
Superorb
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 135252
Join Date: Dec 2006
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: Denver, CO
Vehicle:
2002 WRX Wagon
86% Operational :(

Default

I think the 1st thing I noticed were lack of long sleeves and gloves. But if it's not in the rules, it's optional (albeit recommended).

That looks like a nice course with many possible configurations.
Superorb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2009, 02:45 PM   #22
bluscoobyboy
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 208879
Join Date: Sep 2008
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Vehicle:
05 AW STi, 96 OBS
gone: 05 WRB STI, 02 WRB

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterKwan View Post
They don't require long sleeves or gloves where I go either. I always wear both. One instructor years ago recommended gloves so, you can get out of your burning car and be less likely to get burned hands. After watching a new Z06 catch on fire yesterday, I think that's a good idea.
I was about 4 or 5 cars back when that happened on the beginning end of the front straight when that happened. They stopped us right near start/finish.

his car was only 2 months old with around 3k miles on it.
bluscoobyboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2009, 03:02 PM   #23
Superorb
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 135252
Join Date: Dec 2006
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: Denver, CO
Vehicle:
2002 WRX Wagon
86% Operational :(

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bluscoobyboy View Post
I was about 4 or 5 cars back when that happened on the beginning end of the front straight when that happened. They stopped us right near start/finish.

his car was only 2 months old with around 3k miles on it.
Did he properly break it in?
Superorb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2009, 04:10 PM   #24
STi-MAN
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 70252
Join Date: Sep 2004
Vehicle:
05 STI
blue

Default

^ im guessing oil leak. then fire?

what sucks is on the day i went racing someone had a brand new 09 sti.. and spun a bearing..

prob didnt check the oil level before tracking it.
STi-MAN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2010, 04:07 PM   #25
STi-MAN
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 70252
Join Date: Sep 2004
Vehicle:
05 STI
blue

Default


Last edited by STi-MAN; 01-11-2010 at 04:20 PM.
STi-MAN is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Video of me at track Cavadini Proven Power Bragging 23 09-28-2005 01:02 PM
video of me doing a bunch of spins in my s4 jpsimon Off-Topic 16 05-02-2004 04:03 PM
Track pics of me at Summit Point MattDell Member's Car Gallery 20 08-04-2003 01:12 AM
Video of me at the Track ShaggyGT Proven Power Bragging 12 10-21-2002 09:37 PM
2 videos of me Patrick L Motorsports 16 12-04-2001 07:16 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:04 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.