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Old 05-12-2009, 12:43 PM   #1
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Default Ultimatum: Ferrari To Quit F1 if FIA introduces optional budget limit.

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Old 05-12-2009, 12:53 PM   #2
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Not gonna happen.
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Old 05-12-2009, 02:46 PM   #3
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zomg.... if this happens.
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Old 05-12-2009, 04:17 PM   #4
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Old 05-12-2009, 04:47 PM   #5
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Will never happen, just too important to the sport.
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Old 05-12-2009, 04:57 PM   #6
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As soon as I saw the title I thought "Never gonna happen."
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Old 05-12-2009, 05:27 PM   #7
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Yeah, not going to happen. But, love the drama around it. Makes for great comedy.
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Old 05-12-2009, 05:39 PM   #8
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Hopefully this just leads to some better compromises from a cost standpoint.
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Old 05-12-2009, 06:46 PM   #9
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Wow, an Italian thinking illogically, what a surprise!
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Old 05-14-2009, 10:37 PM   #10
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Old 05-14-2009, 11:01 PM   #11
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i love zFerrari and I hope they do go ahead and quit. the sport will be proven how important they are, and they will return like kings.

The FIA ia done, they have no meaningfull ideas anymore, F1 should take it business and run independent series.
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Old 05-14-2009, 11:42 PM   #12
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i love zFerrari and I hope they do go ahead and quit. the sport will be proven how important they are, and they will return like kings.

The FIA ia done, they have no meaningfull ideas anymore, F1 should take it business and run independent series.
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What do you mean by "F1 should take it business and run independent series". I'm baffled by the grammar alone, and can't even begin to figure out what you're trying to say.
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Old 05-15-2009, 06:57 AM   #13
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While Ferrari is getting the publicity, other teams have issued the same ultimatium:

A day after Ferrari joined Toyota and Red Bull in warning the FIA that it won’t sign up to 2010 if the rules stand, former champion outfit Renault has issued the governing body with the same ultimatum.

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=45865
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Old 05-15-2009, 08:38 AM   #14
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I don't believe Ferrari would return like kings, since it wouldn't just be them leaving the sport. And I don't understand the rest of the statement either.
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Old 05-15-2009, 08:41 AM   #15
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The FIA ia done, they have no meaningfull ideas anymore, F1 should take it business and run independent series.
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Old 05-15-2009, 08:45 AM   #16
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Looking back through history, Ferrari has many a times thrown a ****ty and has pulled their cars from the track with Enzo vowing to never race his cars again. Only to find that the prancing horse is back on the grid the following race.

Mosley will call their bluff, and then the teams will freak out and go **** **** **** and then they'll withdraw their ultimatum.
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Old 05-15-2009, 09:03 AM   #17
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It's just an oxymoron to the concept of the sport. Cash flow is what is F1. It is all the money, time, and engineering you can put into a single device and make it do its job as well as humanly possible. That is F1. Budget has no part in the equation. It's certainly not like there aren't other Formula levels for FIA to play with and make into whatever the heck they want. The problem is only then advertising dollars.
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Old 05-15-2009, 09:46 AM   #18
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It's just an oxymoron to the concept of the sport. Cash flow is what is F1. It is all the money, time, and engineering you can put into a single device and make it do its job as well as humanly possible. That is F1. Budget has no part in the equation. It's certainly not like there aren't other Formula levels for FIA to play with and make into whatever the heck they want. The problem is only then advertising dollars.
No, that's your interpretation of the sport. Adding a budget cap is just like changing the wheelbase, or moving the wings. It's a variable.
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Old 05-15-2009, 10:30 AM   #19
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No, that's your interpretation of the sport. Adding a budget cap is just like changing the wheelbase, or moving the wings. It's a variable.
Yep. The teams aren't really that pissed at the budget anyways, they're just mad at the way its being done. I agree with them, it was rather ****ty of the FIA to push this a month before entries were due, and in an extraordinary meeting which they were having as well.
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Old 05-15-2009, 11:38 AM   #20
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Yep. The teams aren't really that pissed at the budget anyways, they're just mad at the way its being done. I agree with them, it was rather ****ty of the FIA to push this a month before entries were due, and in an extraordinary meeting which they were having as well.
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i think timing is a huge factor. springing new rules on the teams a few months before the deadline to commit to the '10 season is retarded at best, especially after the amount of changes that took place for this season.

they really need to lay down a solid set of rules, and set a TIMELINE for them so teams car prepare beforehand. asking the giant teams to function under next years budget cap is ludicrous. itll require restructuring of many different facets of the team that could really cause them to cut corners and fail next year (like theyre failing this year )

i'm tired of max, the FIA, and all the politics and pissing matches that are taking place off track. i do hope either ferrari and the others backs down, or the rules are compromised so that there'll actually be competition next year. especially because what fun will it be if JB has no one to beat
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Old 05-15-2009, 01:32 PM   #21
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I'm just so sick of Mosley...
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The FIA's crunch meeting with teams ended without agreement on Friday as the governing body refused to compromise over plans for a two-tier category.

Max Mosley said there had been 'friendly' discussions with teams but that the FIA was not willing to back down over its plans for a 40 million cap, or the 29 May deadline for entries to the 2010 world championship.

The teams have now gone into another meeting to discuss their response to the FIA's stance.

"It was quite a friendly meeting, but in the end all that happened was that the teams have gone off to see if they can come up with something better than the cost cap," Mosley told reporters after the Heathrow meeting.

"We explained we cannot put back the entry date, as this has all been published, and we cannot disadvantage the potential new teams who will come in. But we are prepared to listen to whatever they have to say.

"In the meantime, the regulations are as published. We have explained that we want everyone to race under the same regulations. We have explained that we would like all of the teams to come in under the cost cap and that is what they have gone off to consider.

"We have said that we cannot see why anyone wouldn't want to operate under the cost cap, and it would mean a gradual relaxation of the technical regulations - which all the engineers would want. We said in the end the choice was between intellectual freedom and financial constraint, or intellectual constraint and financial freedom - which is what they have had up until now.

"We have pointed out, and it is something the engineers have said, that current F1 consists of endless refinement at enormous expense and we want to move away from that and have invention and creativity, but we can only do that if we restrict the cost - because if we have unrestricted cost nobody would be able to afford it.

"I think some of the teams agree with that idea, and some don't, and they have gone away to discuss it."

Ferrari, Renault, Toyota and the Red Bull teams have already declared that they will not enter the 2010 season under the rules as presently proposed by the FIA, and when asked if that remained the case, Mosley replied: "Well, as things stand, yes that is the situation."

It also emerged today that Ferrari has lodged legal action in the French courts to block the 2010 rules - claiming their introduction was a breach of a technical veto the Italian team has.

"During the meeting it became apparent that Ferrari has made an application to the French courts, and I don't know the details, but it is to apply for an injunction to stop us doing what we want to do," Mosley explained. "So that is where the situation rests as far as Ferrari is concerned."

The FIA president added that the discussions had extended to talks on a new Concorde Agreement, but that this issue also remained unresolved.

"Then they asked about the Concorde Agreement, and we said that we would be prepared if there was agreement on all of the other issues to resign the 1998 Concorde Agreement, and extend it for another five years," said Mosley.

"But there was not agreement between them and Bernie [Ecclestone] on the commercial side, which is unsurprising because they have been talking about it for two and a half years and still not reached agreement."
Well at least autosport didn't copy and paste directly from BBC again.
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Wow.

Just goes to show Mosely should have quit when he said he was going to.

I wish all this wasn't as funny to me as it is.

Bring back the GPMA.
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It wont be F1 without ferrari.
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Old 05-15-2009, 02:33 PM   #25
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Yes it would be. Why wouldn't it be?
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