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Old 05-12-2009, 06:27 PM   #1
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i cant find it i have tried search engine no dice
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Old 05-12-2009, 06:42 PM   #2
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this is about as good as i can find for ya doc

http://100aw.org/spectating_locations.html
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Old 05-12-2009, 07:06 PM   #3
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May I ask why?

If you intend on going out to "practice", I'd ask that you NOT use the same roads that 100AW uses. All it can do is make it harder for us to get permissions
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Old 05-12-2009, 08:40 PM   #4
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he's not competing lol, he just wants to see the roads, he was a spectator last year and should marshal for 2010
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Old 05-12-2009, 09:06 PM   #5
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edit, not so funny comment

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Old 05-12-2009, 11:19 PM   #6
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there is nothing wrong with traveling a dirt road in a national forest even if i decide to do it 50 mph sideways through the trees.
I think there are some state and federal authorities that will have differing opinions. Personally, I'll say be careful of others that may be traveling those roads. 50-0 on dirt takes a lot longer than pavement...especially when you're already sideways.

Also consider, when you go off, you're miles from quick help.

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Old 05-13-2009, 12:02 AM   #7
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Old 05-13-2009, 02:16 AM   #8
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there are many things wrong with traveling those roads sideways at high speed. you don't have the roads closed off to keep other cars out of your way being the biggest problem. and there are always locals who don't like these events, so causing problems on the roads while pretending to rally just makes it easier for them to prevent future deals with the organizers.

just going there to check out the roads and maybe slide around a little on low speed turns when you can see that no one is coming isn't so bad. but if you want to really throw your car around, go do a rallycross or an ice race. or go marshal until they let you drive as sweeper.

go on specialstage.com and ask around about the roads...they know where they are, and they'll give you all the help you need.
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Old 05-13-2009, 07:29 AM   #9
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just going there to check out the roads and maybe slide around a little on low speed turns when you can see that no one is coming isn't so bad.
Growling_Boxer, I agree with everything else you said.

To the OP and anyone considering driving a stage road: PLEASE DON"T

You can very easily ruin a great sport if you do.

(I'll see if I can get a good explanation for you...)
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Old 05-13-2009, 08:01 AM   #10
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(I'll see if I can get a good explanation for you...)
The explanation is that organizers have to work VERY had every year to keep permission to use those roads for the rally. Someone in a "rally-inspired" vehicle could ruin that pretty quickly if something were to happen.
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Old 05-13-2009, 08:32 AM   #11
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I don't even think something has to happen. I just think that somebody local has to form a negative oppinion. Seeing increased traffic on local roads COULD in theory cause a problem. My understanding of the process, is that the community has public meetings where there road use permission is discussed and approved. If the local community or, the majority of those who are in attendance, are upset with something they have seen, it could be very problematic...

Like I said, I'll see if I can get a GOOD explanation for you. This is an oppertunity to educate rally fans on the complexities involed in Rally planning.
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Old 05-13-2009, 08:36 AM   #12
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rallyNY has been fighting with this issue on a yearly basis. they get multi-year contracts with some areas, but they actually have to get multiple contracts to cover all the roads they use. and there are some roads that they can't use any more because enough of the locals stepped up to shut it down.
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Old 05-13-2009, 10:09 AM   #13
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also it wouldnt be a issue for permissions for the 100aw concedring all the revinue it brings in they are glad it is a seasonal event.
Yes it is an issue. Not every voter gets the revenue but to the county commissioners, every vote counts.

Nope nothing wrong with sliding into a ditch and killing your self. But if you hit a logging truck, you will ruin his day. Your estate will be sued for the damage to the truck and the mental harm to the driver.

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Old 05-13-2009, 11:37 AM   #14
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This actually reminds me of when i was a lot younger and very stupid in having "fun" while at a rally.

Earlier this decade i was just getting in to rally and i thought it was ok to drive like a complete ass hat even on highways trying to get to stages and such. When i finally got to the stage a few drivers and teams approached me all at once and put me in my place very quickly on such driving at events. Ever since then i have learned that if we drive like it doesnt matter in these areas, there wont be an event anymore.

Simple as that!!!

Now I do drive like a nut on those roads. And it is only bc i have been through the paces of learning my way through it all and i pay my entry fees.

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Old 05-13-2009, 12:33 PM   #15
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One word, DON'T.
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Old 05-13-2009, 12:57 PM   #16
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hey OP, check out www.dirtyimpreza.com

Lots of like-minded suby folks that have regular meets and whatnot....safe, organized, and very aware of NOT doing things to hurt the rally community.

I'm sure there's some people in your area that could help you get sideways safely.


BTW, you DO know that its really not that hard to get into rally? Why just 'check out' the roads that the 'famous ones' when you can BE a famous one?

Fully prepped, used, 2/4WD rally cars (many with lots of spares) can be had for only ~$5000.

LESS than $5K:
http://www.dirtyimpreza.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=10027

here's a suby....
http://www.specialstage.com/classifi...ct/1395/cat/13

Got budget? build...
http://www.specialstage.com/classifi...ct/1339/cat/13


But if you HAVE to go out there anyway....at least bring a buddy to go ahead of you and spot...buy some cheap radios from Target and be safer than just running it blind. (even the pro's don't do that!!!)
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Old 05-13-2009, 01:07 PM   #17
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No one from the rally committee (I'm one of them) is going to tell you where those roads are, but there are a lot of similar roads throughout the state. So if you should end up on one and something happens, please for the luvva god, do not mention the word rally, or 100aw, or Subaru, or Pastrana, or, well you get the picture. Even if nothing bad happens and you stop for gas somewhere, please don't tell people you are out "rallying."

I'm sure the locals down there have been sliding around on those roads way before the rally came to town, so it's not like sliding around/having fun is only associated with rally. But as others have mentioned, if the people that live down there decide they don't want us coming to town, we're in trouble.

I know for a fact that many guys that come to the 100AW, like to go out and have fun in their cars, but they don't do it on those roads. Maybe ask around somewhere besides an open public forum and you'll get to go have some fun in the Sube.
I strongly suggest you come up for the first rallycross on May 30. Details can be found at stlscca.org
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Old 05-13-2009, 01:40 PM   #18
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I am also a local guy who lives a bit closer to Salem and pretty close to the roads that 100AW is run on. I will admit that before becoming a part of the Rally myself (working and helping banner the stages) I was tempted to go out and find the roads as well. But after hearing pretty much what everyone else says here, I decided not to, and instead stuck to the roads I have around here.

There are some great roads in and around MO to have fun on. Just please stay away from the 100AW area, like everyone else has said.

Also +1 on the DirtyImpreza.com, there are several St. Louis/Rolla/Columbia guys on there.
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Old 05-13-2009, 03:12 PM   #19
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...no dice
Don't mean to sound nasty or anything, but trying to be helpful and give you some good advice for you (and 100AW's future):

Yup, no dice! Don't even think about doing it! The local folks (and a lot of other people) are very protective of 100 AW roads and the 100AW event.

If someone hasn't already done it, I bet they will----that being: call Dent County who will look up 2004 Subaru's registered in Jackson County and cross check that to licensed gun dealers in the county. Bingo, they know who you are and your license number, and your family history back three generations.

It's possible that if you show up any of the counties 100AW uses, you might be on the receiving end of a multi-unit "friendly" stop--well, maybe not so friendly since you're a gun dealer. They just might tell you that leaving the area immediately would be in your best interests.

Similar things ( or worse) have happened to street/backwoods racers in other parts of the country....just might happen in MO, too. ...never know.


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Old 05-13-2009, 03:29 PM   #20
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wow guys it was a joke hence the banana guy

Oi i was there last sunday on mothers day with my wife an 2 kids driving along spectator b area i just wanted to see all the stages and drive them i have a wrx with 18s on it yea 20mph is top speed period on those roads for my car.

just calm down guys just a fan here wanting to see the whole track.
dont be so quick to flame the new guy.



Thats why i dont like forums typing has no expression those who know me would have laughed when i made the above comment

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Old 05-13-2009, 04:12 PM   #21
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wow guys it was a joke hence the banana

just calm down guys just a fan here wanting to see the whole track.
dont be so quick to flame the new guy.



Thats why i dont like forums typing has no expression those who know me would have laughed when i made the above comment

Heh, compared to some threads here, you got the kid gloves treatment! This site is renowned (nefarious, infamous, etc) for rough n tumble exhanges. This was pretty mild, it seems most posters were trying to help explain the dealio and guard continued access to those roads.

Ppl wanting to play on rally stage roads is a VERY tender subject, as you've no doubt discovered by now.

Our team has raced there 2 years, and I can truthfully say that the 100AW roads are some of the very best of the best in all of North America. We will be back...long as the team budget holds out and the roads are still available!

The 100Aw event is also one of the best run rallies on the calendar. The overall stage security and general quality of the workers/course marshals is very reassuring to the competitors.

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Old 05-13-2009, 04:20 PM   #22
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it is a sensitive subject because of how difficult getting permission to use public roads for rally is (and continuing to get that permission).

there are others who have posted similar things in the past seriously...the banana doesn't make it clear that it was a joke. and there are young kids reading these forums for ideas that might have taken your comments seriously and decided to go out and do it.

i'm glad you understand, and i'm sure anyone else reading this will get the idea too.
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:24 PM   #23
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only 1 hour and 45 minutes from my house
Which one? Most 100AW stages are 1 hour and 45 minutes from each other
Luckily it's all down roads like highway Y...
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:57 PM   #24
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Nice to meet some of you like i said been a fan for some time and just got my first subie
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...1669805&page=1
im getting the fender fixed right now got new tires and a good cleaning hope to marshal next year im on a SAR team and love the outdoors HAM operator KC0UXP
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Old 05-13-2009, 05:17 PM   #25
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Now we know where you live since you posted your call sign.

It is very hard to tell on the Internet if you are an 18 year old who thinks because he has played the video, he can drive from a more responsible adult with kids (although I know lots of people over 21 with kids who don't qualify as responsible).

Come on over to www.specialstage.com and join the forums. Not every rally car is a Subaru.
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