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Old 05-20-2009, 08:33 AM   #1
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Default Rotella T Synth qt. where?

Anyone know where I can get Rotella TS 5W40 in the quart size, in the east valley? Walmart used to have them, but now all they have around me is the gallon size. Can't seem to find quarts at any auto parts place either. Don't really want to buy 2 gallons when all I need is 5 quarts.

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Old 05-20-2009, 11:25 AM   #2
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I think they did that everywhere. I have been having to buy it in gallons for the past three oil changes :/
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Old 05-20-2009, 01:14 PM   #3
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wal mart at 83rd ave and union hills has quarts. at least they did when i did my last change.
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Old 05-20-2009, 01:36 PM   #4
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I'm pretty sure he said East Valley
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Old 05-20-2009, 02:12 PM   #5
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I'm pretty sure he said East Valley
You mean he doesnt wanna travel 40 miles to get teh quartzzz
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:09 PM   #6
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not if he wants to get caught ridin' dirtyy!!!

just like dirty barry!!!
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Old 05-20-2009, 06:48 PM   #7
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I might just try M1 turbo diesel truck 5w40 this time around...HTHS 3.9

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub...ruck_5W-40.asp

or M1 0w40 if I can find it
http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub...il_1_0W-40.asp
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Old 05-20-2009, 07:43 PM   #8
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I don't know about that. There are a bunch of guys who have posted up on these boards about using Mobil 1 and spinning a bearing shortly after. I know not everyone does, but it seems to be an abnormally high percentage of mobil 1 users.

I'd stay away; why take the risk.
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Old 05-20-2009, 07:45 PM   #9
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Also, what's the harm in buying extra oil in the gallon containers? It's not really going to go bad before your next change. You've, with all probability, going to use it at some point. Who cares if you sell the car with some oil left over in the garage.

I guess I don't see why there's a problem here. If you want, I can buy the jugs and pour them into quart containers for a nominal $2 a quart charge.
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Old 05-20-2009, 08:03 PM   #10
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Some reading material on Mobil 1:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...il+1+rod+knock

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...il+1+rod+knock

There are plenty more if you look it up. Food for thought, I'm not trying to start a battle.
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Old 05-21-2009, 03:20 AM   #11
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Oh man. The last thing I want to do is start an oil battle. But if you're interested, the problems people have had with M1 is with the energy conserving formulations (which is pretty much all of them except the two I mentioned) because they shear down to a viscosity that is too low for our cars, especially for performance driving. (They may very well be great for other cars.)

The two I mentioned are not energy conserving, much like RTS. The HTHS number tells you in a nutshell how well the oil will hold up to heat and resist viscosity breakdown. As a rule of thumb, for our cars we should use oil with HTHS of 3.5 or above. In the US, those oils are generally marketed as diesel and/or truck oils. In Europe, they're marketed for high-performance European vehicles (ACEA A3 certified). Much like German Castrol (GC).

Anyway - I wouldn't take the plunge without doing some research on bitog.

I just don't really like the idea of using oil that's been sitting unsealed for 5 months. I'm an engineer. I'm anal. I love my subie. So shoot me.
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Old 05-21-2009, 03:26 AM   #12
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Some reading material on Mobil 1:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...il+1+rod+knock

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...il+1+rod+knock

There are plenty more if you look it up. Food for thought, I'm not trying to start a battle.

My car had free oil changes from the dealer for the first 20k miles and they used Mobil 1 So far I have 54K and no problems.......yet. I do burn about a quart every 4K miles though. I use RP now, but I'm thinking about switching to either Rotella or Amsoil.
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Rotella pwnz

Amsoil is good **** too, but Rotella is only 25 an oil change. Check out the UOA's on the national boards too. It is good shiz.
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Old 05-21-2009, 03:51 AM   #14
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SubaruMike - RP has shearing issues much like M1 5w30 / 10w30, and others. I'd switch if I were you. Especially if you drive hard.

Yeah, Amsoil seems good but is $$$. Same with Redline. Loeper's has a pretty full-line of Redline and can order anything they don't stock, BTW. I'm using Redline in my tranny (1 qt lightweight shockproof, ~3 qts 75w90NS).

I'm getting a little more oil consumption than I'd like to see with RTS, so I was thinking of trying something new anyway just as an experiment. Need to top off with almost a qt. now tho, and don't want to mix brands, so guess I'll just be changing it a little sooner than planned.
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Oh man. The last thing I want to do is start an oil battle. But if you're interested, the problems people have had with M1 is with the energy conserving formulations (which is pretty much all of them except the two I mentioned) because they shear down to a viscosity that is too low for our cars, especially for performance driving. (They may very well be great for other cars.)

The two I mentioned are not energy conserving, much like RTS. The HTHS number tells you in a nutshell how well the oil will hold up to heat and resist viscosity breakdown. As a rule of thumb, for our cars we should use oil with HTHS of 3.5 or above. In the US, those oils are generally marketed as diesel and/or truck oils. In Europe, they're marketed for high-performance European vehicles (ACEA A3 certified). Much like German Castrol (GC).

Anyway - I wouldn't take the plunge without doing some research on bitog.

I just don't really like the idea of using oil that's been sitting unsealed for 5 months. I'm an engineer. I'm anal. I love my subie. So shoot me.
This.

Just make sure the oil you're using is ACEA A3 rated oil; A1 is no bueno. This rating is usually right on the bottle; however, rotella doesn't list an ACEA rating, not sure why. The HTHS rating can be hard to determine, but it's usually listed on the manufacturers website.
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Good information in here. Thanks!
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Just make sure the oil you're using is ACEA A3 rated oil; A1 is no bueno. This rating is usually right on the bottle; however, rotella doesn't list an ACEA rating, not sure why. The HTHS rating can be hard to determine, but it's usually listed on the manufacturers website.
Also A5 is NOT "better" than A3. A1 and A5 are both 2.9 <= HTHS <= 3.5
If you're suffering from insomnia, read this:

http://www.acea.be/images/uploads/fi...nces_Final.pdf

Basically, the US API standards are designed with fuel economy in mind, while ACEA ratings are more about stability - more useful if you ask me.

Oh, and RTS doesn't list ACEA standards because it's marketed to big-rig fleet managers. A fleet manager doesn't want to use the same oil in his trucks as Gunther is using in his daddy's BMW on his way to the discotheque. It's all marketing.

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^^I'm also wondering why they don't list an ILSAC rating, any ideas? It just seems weird that they would go the length to list an API SM rating, but not provide ILSAC or ACEA ratings.
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^^I'm also wondering why they don't list an ILSAC rating, any ideas? It just seems weird that they would go the length to list an API SM rating, but not provide ILSAC or ACEA ratings.
Who knows. What matters is that our motors like it and it's priced well. I'm trying Mobil 1 TDT in protest of not being able to get RTS in quarts.
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True, one more question for you mattwho: do you know if the API SM rotella is group III or IV base stock? They really don't list a lot of info on their site, kind of like Castrol
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True, one more question for you mattwho: do you know if the API SM rotella is group III or IV base stock? They really don't list a lot of info on their site, kind of like Castrol
I may be wrong, but I think it's one of them that no one knows for sure. Conventional wisdom says that if it was group IV they'd advertise it as such, but I dunno.
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