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Old 02-23-2010, 01:18 AM   #126
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not to be disrespectful because it is your car and its your opinion, but the bumper cover work looks really ricey.


love everything about the car other than the bumper and the proposed EZ30.
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Old 02-23-2010, 02:48 AM   #127
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i think it flows really well with the rest of the car
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Old 02-23-2010, 11:40 AM   #128
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My car nor any car I have ever build has been loved by all. I thought that adding the side pieces would make it a little ricey but I think it fits. I could have spent 400+ on a GTB bumper and still had to do work to it or go this was and do it all for free. The stock bumper even pulled was to subtle and didn't match the flares. There was no way I was going to be able to pull it to cover the wheels. I also didn't want it to look like the new ones ether with a stock bumper. The flares obviously make it look way more aggressive so I thought the bumper should look the same. Its not over the top but its just something custom that nobody else has. Above all else this will be one of a kind.

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Old 02-23-2010, 11:53 AM   #129
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any new pics??
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Old 02-23-2010, 12:19 PM   #130
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No, my buddy got some sort of pain in his side and stop working. I would go finish it myself but I have other projects at home I am trying to finish. I suspect if he heals the car will be primed by Friday. Painted sometime next week and hopefully back in my hands that weekend. Its been pretty agravating since hes had my car for 2.5months and he told me for sure he would have a car to me before march. Se la vee i guess.

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Old 02-23-2010, 05:57 PM   #131
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Looks good man. But FMIC? What happened to the H6 with the 6 spd? OR are you going to boost the H6?
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Old 02-23-2010, 07:08 PM   #132
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I donno I keep going back and forth. I have a set of custom 9:5:1 comp pistons from my wagon I never sold so I have been thinking of building an STi block with some eagle rods. The plan would be to twin turbo it with 2 stock WRX TD04s and shoot for 380whp. Could be fun. I am still trying to figure out the easiest and best option. The EZ30 seems to always be surfacing as the best choice and I have had ideas to get like an M90 Supercharger on the EZ30 for some added fun. I have also thought of doing a EJ20 swap with a VF39 or a stock STi Block with VF39. Its still in the air but the gears are moving and it seems to lean towards the EZ30. The compression is High 10:7:1 from what I could find so I am not sure what it can handle if I Supercharged it. Maybe 3-4 PSI but that would put me over 300whp easy. Plus I think the sound of an H6 in this car sounds really fitting. Boxer thump is good, twin turbo would sound more EVOish so it would be cleaner, but Porsche H6 would sound heavenly. Especially with an SC whine in the background.

I have a hydra that needs a software update so I can have it reworked to fit my legacy as is and then swap blocks for turbo or to have extra leads to integrate with my dash and then work into an EZ30 swap.

So far the numbers work out like this.

$3000 for WRX Swap w/ TD04 250ish WHP
$3200 for WRX swap w/ VF39 310ish WHP
$3500 for STi swap w/ VF39 345ish WHP
$3500 for Built STi w/ twin TD04s (way more work though) 385ish WHP
$3100 for EZ30 Swap 265ish WHP
$3400 for EZ30 Swap w/ M90 SC (more work) 300ish WHP

So the the stock placement turbo swaps would be the fastest most "bolt on" swap but the EZ30 would only require very little added work. I would be using a WRX drive-by-cable intake mani and STi tumblers so I could use a Standard WRX/ STi turbo inlet etc because I would have the Hydra wired to run a WRX throttle body.

If I Supercharged the EZ30 it would replace the mani and be centered in the engine. The throttle body would be in the same spot just lowered and the intake runners would just come out of the SC. I'd move the alternator and run the SC pulley in its location with the AC Compressor belt. Not a lot of custom work for an easy 30ish whp and tuning would still be pretty easy. I could always drop compression in the future and run a smaller pullery for added power. 450whp with no lag anyone?

The Twin Turbo swap would be fun though. If I did it I would mount the turbos in the bumper so they had short headers. I would run a cross over pipe like the JDM twin turbo has to stabilize boost to both turbos and I was to use a 300ZX twin cored FMIC. The Charge Pipes would taper into 1 at the throttle body but I would run a BOV on each charge pipe. If I did that I would delay one of them so I could get the bovs to sound off one after the other which would be sick. Spool would be about the same as a stock VF39 with the higher compression but running each turbo at around 10-13psi each would be the equivalent to a GT30.

Realistically it all depends on how much work I want to do and how far I want to go. I am confident with all of my options and I like some more then others but I also don't want my car down for months while I am fabricating crap. The only really nice thing with going with the Build 9:5:1 comp STi block would be that I could wire the hydra to run in the car now and swap blocks and keep it NA while I worked on the turbo kit. Once it was all done I could swap headers, connect the charge pipes, swap injectors tune and bam done. It would make it so I could keep driving my car during fabrication which is a big plus. Also the EZ30 swap would be nice because N/A or SC i could build it on the stand. Get all the wiring done prior and then just plug in the hydra, install the motor, make a custom radiator mount and fire it up.

I am also huge into presentation as well. If any of you have seen my other work I take great pride in my engine bays and turbocharging makes it look just like another WRX under the hood. I like uniformity. The Twin setup would look super clean as would the EZ30 Swap. Also even though the EZ30 Swap would yield less power it would look huge in there and be really unique like the rest of the car and 260-300+ whp is plenty for what I want this car to be.

Maybe I should start a poll and leave it up to you haha.

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Old 02-23-2010, 07:35 PM   #133
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If you go with the ez30 you can use the rods from a Ej20 and buy 6 instead of 4 and make it work btw, plus use wiseco pistons and be well over that 385 if you boost it.

I'm doing a EJ255 with 20 heads on my alread swapped Ej205 98 LGT. I like the widebody fenders, but you car has my cars issue too, rust. I may just stay with my look I have going on. Don't wanna hyjack or I'd post up my frontal look.
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Old 02-23-2010, 09:00 PM   #134
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Dude I think the EZ30 would be more than enough in stock form. Isn't this supposed to be you're DD/beater? If you boost it you could jeapordize reliability.

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drop in the 6 spd, the EZ30, nice paint, maybe some nice I.C.E, and call it a day. Either way you're going to surprise people when you pop that hood man.

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Old 02-24-2010, 11:41 AM   #135
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Yeah I am thinking the EZ30 N/A swap would be best. I do have a nice Eclipse AVN726E NAV deck for it with ipod integration, Leather heated 2001 Celica Seats, a bunch of interior dress-up and I redid the door inserts and headliner in that di-noc dry carbon vinyl crap. I also dyed my carpet way darker like the WRX to go with the cleaner look of the car. If I do this swap it will be around April. I plan to get Gregs car done this weekend, and the Celaru done over the course of this month and maybe a bit into next. I want the lift back for my swap so I kinda have to get the other cars done first. Its motivation haha. I have the car wired for a decent system. 6.5 components in the doors, 6x9 and a 10" in the rear deck piece behind the rear seats I think. I am going to suspend the box off the rear deck piece so I can still fold the seats down and still put crap in there.

My most favorite upcoming project is a custom spare tire well. I put an STi rear swaybar in so I had to cut into my stock one so the sway would fit but I plan to remove it completely and make a nice custom one that will fit my battery, a tool kit, and a road hazard kit perfectly so I could have everything I ever need and its nicely hidden under the rear floor. When I get the car back to the shop I'll be starting that.

Yeah rust was a bitch on this car. It had it on the trunk and hood, as well as the rear quarters there and everything underneath was nasty. I got a new trunk and a carbon hood. Took care of the quarter panels (about 80% of why I did the widebody in the first place) and I swapped almost 75% of the underside of the car for newer parts. due to the 6mt swap. I have a clean N/A front crossmember, a GC8 Rack, Sti A-arms, front sway and a whiteline roll center kit I plan to swap out the remaining cancer with. After that my car should be tip top underneath.

Once I swap motors and figure out my exhaust I plan to get some 1/8 ABS plastic and completely streamline the underside of the car. Should help with gas mileage and quiet road noise. I dynomated the whole inside so with the underside done it should be as quiet as a 5 series when its done. This car is in the early stages of becoming more then just DD Beater but rest assured you will all be here for the ride. I'll be getting it back painted and we'll finish up the interior. Then its back on to the track monster and the surprise I have been waiting years to spring is coming.

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Old 02-24-2010, 01:22 PM   #136
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Have you thought about the EZ36 if you are going to stay NA. It will give you more power than the EZ30 and I have seen some for around $1500
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LINK!! I want to go EZ36 but all I have seen are like 3K+

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Old 02-24-2010, 06:13 PM   #138
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Yeah I am thinking the EZ30 N/A swap would be best. I do have a nice Eclipse AVN726E NAV deck for it with ipod integration, Leather heated 2001 Celica Seats, a bunch of interior dress-up and I redid the door inserts and headliner in that di-noc dry carbon vinyl crap. I also dyed my carpet way darker like the WRX to go with the cleaner look of the car. If I do this swap it will be around April. I plan to get Gregs car done this weekend, and the Celaru done over the course of this month and maybe a bit into next. I want the lift back for my swap so I kinda have to get the other cars done first. Its motivation haha. I have the car wired for a decent system. 6.5 components in the doors, 6x9 and a 10" in the rear deck piece behind the rear seats I think. I am going to suspend the box off the rear deck piece so I can still fold the seats down and still put crap in there.

My most favorite upcoming project is a custom spare tire well. I put an STi rear swaybar in so I had to cut into my stock one so the sway would fit but I plan to remove it completely and make a nice custom one that will fit my battery, a tool kit, and a road hazard kit perfectly so I could have everything I ever need and its nicely hidden under the rear floor. When I get the car back to the shop I'll be starting that.

Yeah rust was a bitch on this car. It had it on the trunk and hood, as well as the rear quarters there and everything underneath was nasty. I got a new trunk and a carbon hood. Took care of the quarter panels (about 80% of why I did the widebody in the first place) and I swapped almost 75% of the underside of the car for newer parts. due to the 6mt swap. I have a clean N/A front crossmember, a GC8 Rack, Sti A-arms, front sway and a whiteline roll center kit I plan to swap out the remaining cancer with. After that my car should be tip top underneath.

Once I swap motors and figure out my exhaust I plan to get some 1/8 ABS plastic and completely streamline the underside of the car. Should help with gas mileage and quiet road noise. I dynomated the whole inside so with the underside done it should be as quiet as a 5 series when its done. This car is in the early stages of becoming more then just DD Beater but rest assured you will all be here for the ride. I'll be getting it back painted and we'll finish up the interior. Then its back on to the track monster and the surprise I have been waiting years to spring is coming.

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Sounds good man. I am getting to the point myself where I want something luxors+performance for a DD. I am not allowed to have 5 cars though. Maybe when I get promoted I'll get something but for now its a rust bucket legacy wagon LOL. The 98 is my race car, and the 05 is my wifes.

I like the direction this heading though. I am not aginst turbo swaps, but everyone does them....., its like everyone has a something or other stage 2, or 3 at most. A 6cyl in an older leggy, although it has been done before, is still pretty unique. Not to mention the 6cyl with an exhaust sounds bad ass.
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Old 02-24-2010, 09:52 PM   #139
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If you go with the ez30 you can use the rods from a Ej20 and buy 6 instead of 4 and make it work btw, plus use wiseco pistons and be well over that 385 if you boost it.
I'm about 99% sure that's not correct. When Perrin and PDX and Sponaugle were doing their EZ30 builds they had to have rods manufactured. If it was as simple as throwing EJ20 rods in, I'm sure they would have done so.

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Old 02-24-2010, 11:46 PM   #140
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yea the EJ20 rod is not the same for the EZ30, we needed custom ones made. Pauter makes them if you wanted some.

Obviously I am all for a custom setup, but seeing as how my project ended up I now would recommend simplicity. You are not me of course.

If this is indeed a daily driver, I'd say either do a STi swap or do a stock EZ30. Although I'm not sure how you are coming up with 265 WHP since they are 250 hp in stock form. I highly doubt tuning on the regular EZ30 will get you there unless you run E85 or some custom cams.

Devils advocate of course is if you will have the hydra and were going to run the EZ30 you may as well run the EZ36R since it should just be a matter of putting on a drive by cable throttle body. Although I believe it has dual AVCS and i'm not up to date enough on what the hydra can handle in terms of that. Because if you ultimately can't utilize the AVCS and have to run with them in a static position its not really worth the headaches. You'd be better off with the EZ30 and some cams and call it a day.

Just my opinion of course.

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Yeah Phil from Element says the AVCS can be tuned and I can get a WRX 70mm billet cable driven throttle body but I don't really know if the added cost is worth the jump in power. For the cost of an EZ36 from what I can find I could have a fully built EZ30 to Supercharge the crap out of and yield way more power. Also I like the simplicity of the EZ30. I also like that they make headers for this engine already so I have less to fabricate and the radiator should fit without cutting my core support. I am also a big fan of the engine cover they have on them that has part of the intake mani exposed. I want to ether paint the mani black and the cover the green of my calipers of vice versa I think it would look tits. I plan to move my battery to the trunk and then run intakes on both sides since I have a hydra I can and it will look nice an uniform. I got a 09 WRX washer fluid box so its going to be mounted in the bumper and I am going to flush mount my fuse box into the side of the engine bay. The only thing that's left as far as fixing are my stock brake lines. In the engine bay they are fine but everything underneath is a disaster. I am thinking of relocating my ABS pump and redoing all the lines. So basically I could do a full engine wire tuck and clean up leaving only the engine in the bay. It would almost be show car worthy at that point.

If anyone knows where I can get a good deal on an EZ30 or EZ36 I am getting very close to picking one up.

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I'm about 99% sure that's not correct. When Perrin and PDX and Sponaugle were doing their EZ30 builds they had to have rods manufactured. If it was as simple as throwing EJ20 rods in, I'm sure they would have done so.

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I did my checks, you're 100% correct, I was assumeing the ez30 wsa the eg33, I was mistaken. The eg33 from the svx is basically a ej22t with 2 extra cylinders from reading this:

http://www.rs25.com/forums/f128/t837...-thoughts.html
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If anyone knows where I can get a good deal on an EZ30 or EZ36 I am getting very close to picking one up.
I got my EZ30R from Gruppe-S years ago. When the EZ36 came out they said they could get one for not much more - I think they said $2250 or something like that. (I had paid $2k for the EZ30R.)

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PS - Still curious about my question above about grafting FRP and urethane bumper bits together.
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Yeah I found my EZ30s for between 1500-1700 shipped. Not to shabby.

K so I have gone off the deep end a bit and decided on a couple changes. I know I am going to do EZ30 swap 100% you have helped me into that one and I thank you. I was thinking about it last night and I know that if I do H6 swap it would be fitting to do a dual exhaust. My bumper now obviously isn't made for it and cutting another notch in it will look cheesy IMO. I have decided to get a 08 Legacy rear bumper and graft its dual exhaust section into it along with those cool little reflector things in the bumper. But I think I am going to leave the reflectors out and put black mesh in there for some diffuser vents that will later help when I smooth out the underside of the car with ABS paneling.

Here is the bumper:



I am going to get that dry carbon vinyl and pearl over it. It make a weird texture that kinda looks like carbon in sunlight but it no longer looks like imitation carbon. I am going to do the center of my front bumper, the muffer part of the rear bumper, and the big ones like the trunk, roof, and hood. I dont like the look of carbon but I do like the look this stuff makes when pearled because it looks like stock paint but different to brake up the black. I am not 100% on this idea but I was thinking about taking come green and gold pearl mixed togather (should look very similar to my brake calipers) and putting little STi logos on the di-noc pieces in like a ghosted Louis Vutton pattern. It would be hard to see from afar but add some flare and originality to the car and kind of go with some of the newer trends I have been seeing that I really like.

I tried this with my Legacy in Forza 3 and its been a hit with many of the people I raced so now that my buddy has kinda dropped the ball and I have a little more time I think I will utilize it to make my car even more unique. I am sure many of you will not like this idea but.... I am always out to try something new and go into that territory of love it or hate it. The fact is, my bumper looks nice and aggressive and the rear should look the same. This way I can have my dual exhaust setup all ready to go.

I'll try and take a snap of my forza lego tonight so I can better illustrate my ghost pattern idea.

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Obviously you are aware of this but are you going to move the canister from the right hand side to put a muffler in there and hangers? Unless the older legacies are different. Doing that is likely your least concern at this point I am guessing though.

ps avoid taking that chain cover apart at all costs!

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LOL I plan to paint the chain cover but not take any of the chain drive apart. It there an issue with just taking the cover plate off. I think I am going to need to PM you a few time when this project starts you seem to have some good knowledge of EZ30s.

As far as the mufflers its pretty much the same as Any Impreza but since I am taking the Spare tire well out for now I am going to just put a sealed cover plate on it and make a temp exhaust that has dual tips for while I am Stil a 2.5L Once I get the actual exhaust in I'll then make my new custom spare tire well for my batt etc... I think I am going to go with dual oval tips that fit the bumper perfect. Pull them way up close so it looks pro.

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Man that sounds so sick. PM me when yoar ready to sell LOL.


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Old 02-27-2010, 01:56 AM   #148
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Look here: http://www.samsriverside.com/parts.aspx

Search for 2008 Tribeca Engine

They have one with 12k miles for $1500

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LINK!! I want to go EZ36 but all I have seen are like 3K+

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Look here: http://www.samsriverside.com/parts.aspx

Search for 2008 Tribeca Engine

They have one with 12k miles for $1500

If that is complete with accessories and in good condition that is a great deal. And its right by me!!!

If you can get an EZ36R for 1500 dollars I think that is a no brainer with the added displacement and technology with no added cost. Just be aware that if you went with the 3.6 you would pretty much be stuck with NA as I think the rod design is much different than the 30. I believe it has a curve in it to accommodate the extra displacement or something strange. I will have to double check that though.

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the car's looking nice. i stumbled across it and checked it out from begining to now. the rims make the car look like a beast.
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