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Old 06-11-2009, 04:23 PM   #51
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The R180 sedan axles will work in the wagon. I used them in my own car to double check and no issues

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they will work but won't it be wider? i am already pushing my fender clearance and have them rolled. no way will i be able to fit 17x9 and 245's under there with a sedan axle haha
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Old 06-11-2009, 07:22 PM   #52
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Arco- Bigger diameter = More load surface

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Would the load surface difference from the stock STi be a much bigger contribution to me and outweigh the use of my WRX ACT Streetlight lightweight flywheel? (No pun intended)
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Old 06-12-2009, 05:20 PM   #53
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two questions:

1. You mentioned that the driveshafts out of the 1993-2001 Imprezas were best for the swap with an r160 because of a "correct center support". Now, if you get one off of the 2002-2007 version, what do you have to do to make it work? I do not have it in front of me yet, but I thought I would get a jump on it if I need to do something tricky...

2. I have heard through the grape vine that if you are swapping a 6 speed into a female axle styled car that you can RESUSE the stubs off of the original transmission in the car. is this true, or do I need to get a stub kit to make the conversion in an 07 6 speed?

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Old 06-12-2009, 06:32 PM   #54
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PCSki- The axles won't determine the width, the lateral links will.

arco- yes

Xenri- 1. they both will work in the GC/GF chassis but the newer one will sit slightly lower.
2. you cannot reuse the 5mt stubs in the 6mt's.

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Old 06-12-2009, 07:56 PM   #55
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PCSki- The axles won't determine the width, the lateral links will.
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ohhhhhhhhhhhh. thank you!
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Old 06-13-2009, 06:31 PM   #56
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Dylan, I just got some parts for my swap from the dealer and I thought I'd share the part numbers incase anyone needs them. Add them to your info if you think they are helpful.

All for the 2004-2007 6mt (may fit other models)
Clutch fork shaft (long part the clutch fork pivots on) - 30532AA020 - ~ $30
Clutch fork shaft plug (threaded cap that holds the fork shaft in) - 30550AA000 - ~$13
Output Shaft Oil Seal (oil seal for the driveshaft interface) - 806735210 - $11.50
Clutch fork spring (spring that connects clutch fork to bell housing) - 30546AA060 - $5.20

I see you already have the axle seal part numbers, but those were ~ $10 a piece.

All prices are from my local dealer and are likely more expensive than getting them on line, but no one online would help me figure out the part numbers so I thought their help was worth extra cost.
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Old 06-13-2009, 06:40 PM   #57
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Also, I wanted to share that while the right and left front axle oil seals look the same, they are not. They have different part numbers because of a very subtle change on the inside lip that contacts the axle. If to hold the two side by side, the little micro groves spiral clockwise on one and counter-clockwise on the other. I assume this help push back rogue oil while the axles are spinning. Don't let the dealer tell you " they're probably the same... it shouldn't matter too much" which is the answer I got. You must order one of each: 806735230 and 806735240. I forget which is which, but it was stated in the original post.
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Old 06-13-2009, 07:48 PM   #58
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Kpluiten, are all those random clutch fork parts necessary if you were to buy a transmission from the dealer? I got mine brand new through them, and ordered a clutchfork along with the trans (as well as a mount and shift linkage), but do I also need to order the stuff you have listed there? I wont be able to actually look and see what all I have until the crate gets here from japan...
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Old 06-13-2009, 09:01 PM   #59
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I'm not sure to tell you the truth. I needed everything cause the box I bought used was completely stripped of everything except harness and seals. I just decided to do the seals cause they are cheap and I don't want a leak after all the work of putting it in the car from a lousy 10 dollar seal.

My transmission came out of a totaled 2005 STI with <10K.
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Old 06-15-2009, 06:28 PM   #60
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im i doing it right?

Tranny:

2005- Part# 32000AH150
Ratios= 3.636 / 2.375 / 1.761 / 1.346 / 0.971 / 0.756
3.90 final drive (front and rear)/ Male front axles. LSD Front diff/DCCD Center (36F/64R Bias Open)
Clutch = Pull

MY car 04wrx:

2002-early 2004 WRX 5mt/4eat
Final drive: - 4eat 4.11 Front and rear
Front Axles = Female

or this I dont know

Late 2004-2005 WRX 5mt/4eat
Final Drive: 4eat 4.11 Front and rear
Front Axles = Male

Im using an r160 so:

Subaru Part #'s
3.90 - 38104AA010

And I dont know if I got female or male axles
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Old 06-16-2009, 09:55 AM   #61
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I'm getting ready to do a JDM V8 swap into my 05 WRX. I believe I have all the parts necessary for the swap, but I still have one question...

I recently replaced the clutch/flywheel in my 5 speed with an ACT Stage 2 setup. I know the setup will work in the 6 speed, but will I get more benefit from it or running the oem STI clutch/flywheel I got with my swap?

Having just spent the money on the 5MT clutch/flywheel setup I feel like I should run it...

Any thoughts?
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Old 06-16-2009, 05:52 PM   #62
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personally, I would hate to go back to a stock set up after running a light weight flywheel and a performance material clutch. Yea the STi stuff is bigger, but I would wait on that til you kill the ACT stuff. if nothing else, you have the stockers on hand if ur clutch goes unexpectedly, then you can throw a stage two STi set up on yours. I am in the same sitution with an exedy stage 3 kit. Can make myself toss that money out when I can still use it...
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Old 06-16-2009, 06:09 PM   #63
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+1 on that. keep the act until that needs to be replaced then go sti aftermarket.
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Altimit_09- To determin if you have male or female axles look at the inner cup of the axle to see if it has a roll pin through it right by the side of the trans. The 3.90 ring and pinion is correct.

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Old 06-16-2009, 11:47 PM   #65
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ok 6mt with auto axle and r160 3.9. I'm confused on the front cv shafts. Can you explain in more detail? I seem to be missing something.
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Which part are you confused on?

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Altimit_09- To determin if you have male or female axles look at the inner cup of the axle to see if it has a roll pin through it right by the side of the trans. The 3.90 ring and pinion is correct.

-Dylan @ Ds1
Thanks Dylan for the reply, just gotta find the ring and pinion, do you sell them, or know of a source?
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Old 06-17-2009, 01:43 AM   #68
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ok 6mt with auto axle and r160 3.9. I'm confused on the front cv shafts. Can you explain in more detail? I seem to be missing something.
looks like you have an 02 wrx so that means:

your tranny
(06 mt 6spd)

2006- Part# 32000AJ760
3.90 front final drive-3.54 rear final drive/ Male front axles. LSD Front diff/DCCD Center (41F/59R Bias Open)
Clutch = Pull

your car (02 wrx)

2002-early 2004 WRX 5mt/4eat
Final drive: 5mt= 3.90 Front/3.54 Rear - 4eat 4.11 Front and rear
Front Axles = Female
Clutch = Pull

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"male axle 6mt and you have a female front axle car you will need these":

806730042 Oil Seal LH x1
806730041 Oil Seal RH x1
38415AA110 Axle Stub x2
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why 06 sti trans? Hard to find. Was thinking of what ever I can find and swap to 3.9 r160 if needed or maybe r180 in a deal I found.

After reading more I saw the part numbers for the axle stubs. So I understand now.
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The 06'-07' boxws may be a little more than the earlier boxes but when you take into account the money for a ring and pinion and install (or your time spent installing it) the cost is usually about hte same unless you find a screaming deal on an early box.

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from my experience..i would ditch the 3.90 R&P mod in the r160. i blew 2 r160 diffs before i upgraded to a a full r180 rear end. this was in my old wrx.

the whole point of upgrading to a 6mt is to have fun and not really worry about breaking any drivetrain parts besides an axle..lol. the r160 can not handle hard shifts and/or donuts/drifts.
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from my experience..i would ditch the 3.90 R&P mod in the r160. i blew 2 r160 diffs before i upgraded to a a full r180 rear end. this was in my old wrx.

the whole point of upgrading to a 6mt is to have fun and not really worry about breaking any drivetrain parts besides an axle..lol. the r160 can not handle hard shifts and/or donuts/drifts.

how hard of a shift are we talkin 5k drop from launch control?
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how hard of a shift are we talkin 5k drop from launch control?
the first r160 i over heated from drifting all night..i just warped the internals.

the 2nd one i just grenaded..i drove my wrx hard so i don't recall after how many times i launched it before it blew.

i had a V9 spec-c tranny with the 35/65 torque split so the majority of the power was always sent to the rear after a hard lauch.
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the first r160 i over heated from drifting all night..i just warped the internals.

the 2nd one i just grenaded..i drove my wrx hard so i don't recall after how many times i launched it before it blew.

i had a V9 spec-c tranny with the 35/65 torque split so the majority of the power was always sent to the rear after a hard lauch.
ok i will not be doing that, ill have the DCCD from the donor car, ill try to keep it even split.

I should be ok for the sprited driving, with the vf39 stage 2.

Thanks for the info.
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Yea found a deal. Yet what about the dccd wiring? As I understand that if left alone if can distroy the center diff over time. Yet that's just what I read.

Next question what parts are required to swap to the r180 rear diff? 04 sti parts but how much of them are required to keep the 5x100?
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