Car & Driver unleashes 330 hp WRX

[amk]

Came across this, thought to share it here

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[delongedoug]

Buy used, shop around, have friends and knowledgable people help you with what you can't tackle yourself. I'm putting my full exhaust system together now. Granted, it's for an Evo, but I'm spending $1k for a complete exhaust (manifold all the way back).

Regardless of whatever retail prices they post, and how this is all common knowlege to us, I also like the fact that they did this. My uncle was telling me about it this weekend at a family picnic.

[blah0r]

what a deal for stage 2...

[ejicon]

car sounds mean!!

[lovesmysuby04]

Originally Posted by geddesk2

Anyone who pays 3500 for a protuned stage 2 setup is either an idiot or didn't take the time to do a simple search.

Based on those prices they paid full retail for everything...which is easy to avoid if you look in the vendors section here

To compare my stage 2 list I am gathering

-AEM CAI: 250
-Magnaflow CBE: 429
-Inividia Catted DP: 440
-Accesport: 379 (Thanks to live 35% cashback)
-Protune: 500

Total: 1998

By just searching vendor prices here on Naisoc I can save about 1500 dollars...or about 40%

I don't see a set of new RE-11 on your list! Really paying a little over 25% less, but still good.
We all should know that a stage two setup can be had for around $2000 though.

[Beaverboy]

Originally Posted by amk

Came across this, thought to share it here http://videos.streetfire.net/video/M...STi_122625.htm

Completely irrelevant video... but cool to watch the intercooler piping before the throttle body nearly pop off under full boost.

[stickjohnsonaah]

Originally Posted by lagerbil

Did anyone else notice that on Perrin's site Stage 2 makes less HP than Stage 1 (276 vs 279)?

Stage 2:
http://www.perrinperformance.com/pro...ry=62&model=23

Stage 1:
http://www.perrinperformance.com/pro...ry=62&model=23

Ya I noticed this too. Down 3whp and up 14wtq doesn't seam worth it to me to do perrins stage 2. although stage 2 power comes on faster and stays longer. They must have had 2 different cars dynoing or different conditions. because they claim 54wtq and 38whp stage 1 for 293&279 and then stage 2 68wtq and 46whp stage 2 for 307&276. only makes sense that this is 2 cars or conditions were different. because their numbers show gains of 14wtq and 8whp for stage 2 over stage 1.

[ejicon]

Wow.. That car on the dyno sounded like it was about to suck in a vortex of some sort.
I got lucky with the parts I bought preparing for stage 2:
SPT Exhaust: $333
Cobb AP: $550
Cobb DP: $500 (Holiday discount)
All brand new

You just have to shop around or just wait for the holiday deals to roll in. I guess you're average C&C reader will want to just go out and buy the parts... that's the price one has to pay.

[Beaverboy]

Originally Posted by stickjohnsonaah

Ya I noticed this too. Down 3whp and up 14wtq doesn't seam worth it to me to do perrins stage 2. although stage 2 power comes on faster and stays longer. They must have had 2 different cars dynoing or different conditions. because they claim 54wtq and 38whp stage 1 for 293&279 and then stage 2 68wtq and 46whp stage 2 for 307&276. only makes sense that this is 2 cars or conditions were different. because their numbers show gains of 14wtq and 8whp for stage 2 over stage 1.

Originally Posted by Beaverboy

One is an '08 one is an '09.

[stickjohnsonaah]

I understand that but look at the stage 1 09 graph and stage 2 on graph they only show a gain of 14wtq and 7whp. I looked on lagerbil's post he had a typo saying 279whp for stage 1 it is 269whp.

[Merp]

Originally Posted by geddesk2

Anyone who pays 3500 for a protuned stage 2 setup is either an idiot or didn't take the time to do a simple search.

Based on those prices they paid full retail for everything...which is easy to avoid if you look in the vendors section here

To compare my stage 2 list I am gathering

-AEM CAI: 250
-Magnaflow CBE: 429
-Inividia Catted DP: 440
-Accesport: 379 (Thanks to live 35% cashback)
-Protune: 500

Total: 1998

By just searching vendor prices here on Naisoc I can save about 1500 dollars...or about 40%

+1

When I went stg2 back in the day, it was:

-New txs stealthback 500, later added used axleback for 200.
-Tactrix cable + free maps: 100
-Used aps cai: 150

Adding a set of tires, I got RE-01R's for 500.

So, same deal for 1250-1450, just gotta look hard enough.

[Evil XT]

Originally Posted by EnterTheDragon

The rolling 5-60 is still pathetic

NOS

[Hazdaz]

I have not been following the new-generation Impreza at all, but wouldn't a regular WRX be a better starting off point? Seems that the WRX is only nominally slower than the STI and is a good deal cheaper, so adding some bolt-on goodies to the WRX might net you a faster car at a final price lower than the starting price of an STI.

[XX WRX]

Originally Posted by Hazdaz

I have not been following the new-generation Impreza at all, but wouldn't a regular WRX be a better starting off point?

this is a test of a regular 09 wrx

[design1stcode2nd]

How long are they keeping it, wonder if it will pop? Not sure if that would be a good thing or bad thing. Reduce resale value but also get the issue out into the open more.

[Skunkers]

Originally Posted by Hazdaz

I have not been following the new-generation Impreza at all, but wouldn't a regular WRX be a better starting off point? Seems that the WRX is only nominally slower than the STI and is a good deal cheaper, so adding some bolt-on goodies to the WRX might net you a faster car at a final price lower than the starting price of an STI.

The old argument for the GD was no. I think for the new Impreza, that is very well the case, provided you can actually tune a suspension (beyond "Yeah man, let's drop it another inch"). You could actually beat the STI in all performance areas for the same money.

Of course, you still don't get the stout six-speed, or the warranty, and you've spent about the same amunt of liquid cash on mods that could have gone into a down payment on the STI (or been financed). And you'll retain a higher resale value with the STI in the long run. So the answer is, you could do it, but it still wouldn't be worth it.

[dlinares90]

this looks nice, what's the price?

[Evil XT]

Originally Posted by Kyle86NA

There is, you just have get the issue first... My techs have explained the situation to me several times. And it has been rectified in the motors following the first few occurances...
Although the cars coming into our shop were turbo foresters and not WRXs, but the same issue either way. Replacement blocks are fixed and going forward production blocks are fixed.

The '09 turbo motors are fine now.

So you are saying that ring land and spun bearing issue is resolved? I dont think so. I know that the program that they issued out at the port and through Subaru dealers for the overlean issue is fixed but the other issue still is yet to be resolved.

If Subaru keeps insisting on using cast instead of forged pistons ringlands will still keep on cracking, especially on the turbo vehicles with all these new emissions parts (air pump, cats, O2's, etc., just to name a few). These engines werent made to have emissions restrictions.

I would say either go back to the 04-05 block or start forging pistons. This is the only way this issue will be completely resolved. Band aids and no admittance through Subaru isnt helping either...

[XX WRX]

Originally Posted by Evil XT

So you are saying that ring land and spun bearing issue is resolved? I dont think so. I know that the program that they issued out at the port and through Subaru dealers for the overlean issue is fixed but the other issue still is yet to be resolved.

Someone talked to a subaru rep who said the cranks on the july/august/early september were contaminated somehow and they slipped through inspection. He said the issue has been fixed, and since there have been no failures past very early september builds, it seems as though he's right.

[Beaverboy]

Originally Posted by Evil XT

If Subaru keeps insisting on using cast instead of forged pistons ringlands will still keep on cracking, especially on the turbo vehicles with all these new emissions parts (air pump, cats, O2's, etc., just to name a few). These engines werent made to have emissions restrictions.

The biggest problem is the way the EPA's emissions regs have hampered the OEM's ability to tune. Off the shelf AccessPort maps have never been so welcome. I wouldn't own an '06+ turbo Subaru without a Stage 1 tune.

[design1stcode2nd]

Originally Posted by XX WRX

Someone talked to a subaru rep who said the cranks on the july/august/early september were contaminated somehow and they slipped through inspection. He said the issue has been fixed, and since there have been no failures past very early september builds, it seems as though he's right.

I'll believe it when I see it. Once we have cars with 50k plus miles on them and no issues then I'll have some hope. Of course mine is an early 08 build so it doesn't matter. I can't help the feeling that I'm just waiting for mine to pop. And I switched to the STI because I thought it would be more reliable. I seem to go through cycles of loving the car and then being afraid it will blow up.

Hopefully mine will be kind enough not to blow for a couple of years so I can afford to repair it. Or I'll get lucky and Subaru will cover it. Always seems like no matter what car I buy there is always some big ticket item that could blow that I find out after I buy (CVT in my Murano 5-6k repair, Apex seal in my RX8 4k repair and now ringlands 3k repair).

And no I don't want a damn Civic.

[Luveno]

Originally Posted by Beaverboy

The biggest problem is the way the EPA's emissions regs have hampered the OEM's ability to tune. Off the shelf AccessPort maps have never been so welcome. I wouldn't own an '06+ turbo Subaru without a Stage 1 tune.

With the terrible, terrible irony that a Cobb tune would be cause for warranty denial.

[EnterTheDragon]

Originally Posted by design1stcode2nd

I'll believe it when I see it. Once we have cars with 50k plus miles on them and no issues then I'll have some hope. Of course mine is an early 08 build so it doesn't matter. I can't help the feeling that I'm just waiting for mine to pop. And I switched to the STI because I thought it would be more reliable. I seem to go through cycles of loving the car and then being afraid it will blow up.

Hopefully mine will be kind enough not to blow for a couple of years so I can afford to repair it. Or I'll get lucky and Subaru will cover it. Always seems like no matter what car I buy there is always some big ticket item that could blow that I find out after I buy (CVT in my Murano 5-6k repair, Apex seal in my RX8 4k repair and now ringlands 3k repair).

And no I don't want a damn Civic.

I'm right there with you. Even some 09 STIs have popped. The more time goes by the less this looks like a problem that can be pinned down to a couple months of production. All I ask is that if mine pops, it does so while its still under warranty. I don't want to treat this car like an m3 and ditch it the second the warranty is done.

Originally Posted by Skunkers

The old argument for the GD was no. I think for the new Impreza, that is very well the case, provided you can actually tune a suspension (beyond "Yeah man, let's drop it another inch"). You could actually beat the STI in all performance areas for the same money.

meh, no differentials no care

[Evil XT]

Originally Posted by XX WRX

Someone talked to a subaru rep who said the cranks on the july/august/early september were contaminated somehow and they slipped through inspection. He said the issue has been fixed, and since there have been no failures past very early september builds, it seems as though he's right.

cracks is what?...the ring lands? Ive seen this issue date back to 07. Those are alot of pistons and bearings that slipped through inspection.

Originally Posted by Beaverboy

The biggest problem is the way the EPA's emissions regs have hampered the OEM's ability to tune. Off the shelf AccessPort maps have never been so welcome. I wouldn't own an '06+ turbo Subaru without a Stage 1 tune.

and what does stage one do....lean it out even more. Not good. the first thing this car needs is a protune. dial in more fuel than air....ide rather run rich change my oil every 2k than crack a piston in 2k...

[cucamelsmd15]

Originally Posted by Evil XT

and what does stage one do....lean it out even more. Not good. the first thing this car needs is a protune. dial in more fuel than air....ide rather run rich change my oil every 2k than crack a piston in 2k...

It doesnt need a protune, it simply needs the OL/CL delay modified. It already runs pig rich as it sits, the OL/CL delay is the culprit for cracking ringlands.