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Old 04-23-2002, 02:36 PM   #1
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Question Has or Will an AWD Subaru ever brake (broken) a 10 second quarter mile time?

I'm curious to know if a Subaru will ever be able to break a 10 second quarter mile time?
From what I've seen there's some serious opposition to this
1. AWD is very parasitic to HP
2. The block of a 2.5 liter (turbo'ed) has shown to only handle no more then 350HP
3. The block of the 2.0 liter factory turbo'ed is slightly less (I think)

Aside from the GC8 Cusco (Rear Wheel Drive) Impreza, are there any Subies that can accomplish this feat?
Can a Subie do this and still maintain AWD?
Would Twin turbo'ed H6 3.0 liter do the trick?

I'm really curious about this one.

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Old 04-23-2002, 03:09 PM   #2
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Old 04-23-2002, 03:12 PM   #3
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wasn't there some other guy who stroked out a 2.2l to 2.4l but hasn't taken it to the track? Al Burgerg or something like that. I read something that said his car was supposed to faster than tony rigolis. Does anyone know if he has any numbers yet?
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Old 04-23-2002, 04:41 PM   #4
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1. AWD is very parasitic to HP
2. The block of a 2.5 liter (turbo'ed) has shown to only handle no more then 350HP
3. The block of the 2.0 liter factory turbo'ed is slightly less (I think)
1. the benefit of AWD is worth more for the launch

2. uh, that's just not true. There are 2.5's running FAR more than that.

3. built up, 30psi, etc etc you can have a 2.0 pushing 400+. Stroke it and you're talking mindbending power.
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Old 04-23-2002, 04:59 PM   #5
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Sure..i don't think it ever has, but wouldn't say it ever will. I actually think somebody will break this record. Haven't GSX broken 10 secs?
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Old 04-23-2002, 06:38 PM   #6
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Supposedly there are rs-t's with 500-600 dyno'd hp.
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Old 04-23-2002, 07:53 PM   #7
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Sure..i don't think it ever has, but wouldn't say it ever will. I actually think somebody will break this record. Haven't GSX broken 10 secs?
this website is out of date. but Shaun glazer has already run his stock bodied talon in the 8 second range.

http://www.extrememotorsports.com/team/seangt.htm
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Old 04-23-2002, 07:54 PM   #8
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here's a 2nd gen DSM in the 9 second range.

http://www.extrememotorsports.com/team/brentr.htm

both cars I have listed are AWD.
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Old 04-23-2002, 08:11 PM   #9
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1. the benefit of AWD is worth more for the launch

2. uh, that's just not true. There are 2.5's running FAR more than that.

3. built up, 30psi, etc etc you can have a 2.0 pushing 400+. Stroke it and you're talking mindbending power.
I believe he was talking HP to the wheels. In either case I'm pretty sure there are 2.5 liter imprezas with more power than that to the wheels.
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Old 04-24-2002, 03:09 AM   #10
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the rigolis are to the point where they start in second gear on slicks and still don't catch traction till 4th...you can only put so much power to the ground. the car's a fuggin rocket though.

and FWIW the DSM AWD system doesn't not tend to "detonate" when launched at redline on the track like that of a subaru.

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Old 04-25-2002, 10:14 AM   #11
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and FWIW the DSM AWD system doesn't not tend to "detonate" when launched at redline on the track like that of a subaru.
they also break their trannies a LOT more than the scoobies do. Perhaps because there are more of them making a lot of power than us. I dunno.

I know of many people, even those running 13's, who are on their 2nd and 3rd tranny.

I think since the WRX has caught the US aftermarket eye, there will be MANY WRX drag cars showing up shortly (with limitless budgets), so I think we'll see the envelope being pushed shortly.
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Old 04-25-2002, 10:41 AM   #12
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I dont know the chances of that...the setback of the added weight is there no matter how you look at it.

Glazar is in the 8's, Rau is in the 9's, Rado is hoping to be in the 7's, Papadakis is almost there, etc, and RWD's in the 6's. Not to say an AWD launch isnt amazing, and also not to say that Glazar/Rau dont have their **** together, because they definitely are defying physics, but I think that limitation is there somewhere.
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Old 04-25-2002, 10:45 AM   #13
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this website is out of date. but Shaun glazer has already run his stock bodied talon in the 8 second range.

http://www.extrememotorsports.com/team/seangt.htm

I'm not 'out of date'. I just don't know about DSM, fair enough?
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Old 04-25-2002, 01:55 PM   #14
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But if there are 400 HP DSMs w/ AWD running 10 second 1/4 mile times and Subarus supposedly running 500+ HP, why are we still in the 11 second range?

Is the gear ratio that far off in a Subaru as vs. an AWD DSM? Should we shorten the gear ratio?

I don't think Subarus are that much heavier then a Gen 1 or Gen
2 Talon / Eclipse.

I just don't see why we can't do it !!??

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Old 04-25-2002, 03:00 PM   #15
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sean glazers car was making 663 HP @ the wheels...not counting is 100 Shot of launch motivation...these numbers were from 2 1/2 years ago now...see the difference?? and FWIW Glazer's car is a full unibody, no fiberglas...unlike the civic that poppadock drives.
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Old 04-25-2002, 03:27 PM   #16
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I understand that, just saying who and what is doing what (if you can understand that )

There are a bunch of 9sec FWD's, and a couple in the 8s as well I believe now.
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Old 04-25-2002, 04:12 PM   #17
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I dont know the chances of that...the setback of the added weight is there no matter how you look at it.

Glazar is in the 8's, Rau is in the 9's, Rado is hoping to be in the 7's, Papadakis is almost there, etc, and RWD's in the 6's. Not to say an AWD launch isnt amazing, and also not to say that Glazar/Rau dont have their **** together, because they definitely are defying physics, but I think that limitation is there somewhere.
ok, what am saying is that there will be some of them out there. I didn't say that they'll be #1, I mean the car is barely a yr old here in the US.

As far a drag goes, light wins. Power is easy to make, just takes $$$$. A DSM or WRX can run 9's on street tires, but the other cars you mentioned can't.

you're right though, when drag racing is concerned (slicks, MAD power, et), awd isn't any faster than RWD out of the hole.
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Old 04-26-2002, 01:36 AM   #18
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Thats alright if they can run 9's on street tires, but unfortunately in these classes, that doesnt give them any added points in any category.

AWD gives them a nice launch, but you've gotta give the FWD crowd a chance to put whatever they've got to the ground as well
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Old 04-26-2002, 09:48 AM   #19
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AWD gives them a nice launch, but you've gotta give the FWD crowd a chance to put whatever they've got to the ground as well
na, that's their problem. I hated traction issues on my tegs. I think I know you from Honda-tech. no?

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Yep, Im from H/T

Been a Scooby fan for a long time, just not the right time for me to jump ship, if I ever did! Traction issues do suck, but there are ways around it. I recently saw a Teg pull a 1.8 60' on slicks with one hell of a driver!
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Old 04-26-2002, 01:57 PM   #21
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1. the benefit of AWD is worth more for the launch
There's no benefit of AWD when talking about single digit passes. Think about weight transfer...
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Old 04-26-2002, 02:03 PM   #22
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na, that's their problem. I hated traction issues on my tegs. I think I know you from Honda-tech. no?

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traction?? what's that?? they have none...honda had hte great idea of putting no LSD's in anything except the Type R....the Preludes in the rain will break em loose if you hit V-Tec in 1st-3rd....nice right?? Anyhow...FWIW a 2wd chassis reigns supreme in the drag world...especially a RWD.

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Old 04-26-2002, 02:27 PM   #23
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I think that the main difference betweent he DSM's and our Scooby's is the weight factor - BTW Papadakis' Civic is a Carbon Fiber shell on a tube chassis. There is a guy here in indianapolis who is building a tube chassis carbon bodied civic that will run on methanol - that makes a difference too!
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Old 04-26-2002, 03:52 PM   #24
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I think that the main difference betweent he DSM's and our Scooby's is the weight factor - BTW Papadakis' Civic is a Carbon Fiber shell on a tube chassis. There is a guy here in indianapolis who is building a tube chassis carbon bodied civic that will run on methanol - that makes a difference too!
We are between a 1gen GSX and a 2nd gen GSX... The WRX is not as heavy as you might think.

As for the qestion at hand, yes there are 10 second WRXs and there will be a few more by the end of summer.

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Old 04-27-2002, 06:44 AM   #25
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Hi All,

Rigoli in Australia have the fastest recorded time, with the White WRX recording 10.01 and the gold one recording 10.02.

They also have a wicked Liberty RS doing 10.5's

BUT, C&V performance down here are about to beat this time,

They have an Auto, C-10 Racing fueled, Nitrous breathing, 2.5 twin turbo, beast, waiting to be track tested, did a 10.03 first time with a very soft launch. So Soon there will be an AWD 1999 WRX doing sub 10;s



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