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Old 05-29-2009, 01:33 PM   #1
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So, I was reading on SpeciaStage.com that for the New England Forest Rally this year they're opening the competition to NASA licensed drivers. Is this true? Also, if so, how are they restricting NASA licensed drivers from competing in open class if they have a provisional/novice license?(or why?)

In conjunction with allowing NASA drivers, the fee for the regional (fri. and sat. stages) is only $400.00 if you get send in the entry form before June 15th.

I would love to go to this as it's just 3 hrs from my house

I just hope they don't restrict it with the lame RA rules for licenses. I understand the safety and all but really, if you're a novice and decide to hit a tree, it's your own fault.
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Old 05-29-2009, 01:35 PM   #2
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NASA licenses are accepted for the regional rallies.

Novice rules on classes are in effect.

But, with Open Light, it's pretty easy to turn your STi into an RS and run it.

Better yet, rent a G2 car and go for MaxAttack! money.

I'll be there in my VW, hoping to drag home some cash.
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So will a NASA license allow one to run in our class Tim?
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Old 05-29-2009, 02:44 PM   #4
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http://rally-america.com/RuleBulleti...n_2009_004.pdf

other than that i have no answer.

that is standard RA rules. NASA doesn't follow the same ruling so i thought you could slip in but apparently not.
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Well im really hoping that doesnt go into effect or they will have some exemptions.

Im currently running Prod AWD in USRC and am in 1st place nationally after 2 events. While yes im still a beginner, i do have experience enough to hold my lead in my class overall.

I will hopefully be running my 02 bugeye in PGT for NEFR.

It is true, they will be accepting NASA license and it will be ONLY $400 by June 15th!!!

This is going to be my first time back to the event since 2003 so it should be a good one for sure, this great deal only makes it better right off the bat!!!

Hope to see you all there.

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NEFR has a new organizing team this year, and they are committed to attracting and supporting grassroots regional teams. a major sign of that commitment is the entry fee structure -- yes, that $400 IS correct, register and pay by June 15 and your entry fees are like rallying 20 years ago!

yes, NASA licenses will be accepted for the NEFR regional events. I do not know the specifics of running a turbo car on a short-time license. suggest you email bob@rally-america.com with licensing questions, he's a good guy and a straight shooter--tell him your situation and he can find the answer right away.

in addition to MaxAttack dinero, there is a big prize awaiting somebody in the regional--a 3-day rally school at Team O'Neil. To make this $3000+ prize even more 'grassroots' here's how the prize will be awarded...the top 10 finishers in Saturday's Berlin Regional Rally will enter a drawing to win the school. I'd say them's pretty good odds, and you don't have to win the whole shebang to qualiify, you just need to put in a good clean quick run.

hope to see y'all up there, it'll be great to have cross-pollination with the NASA lads. tell your other NASA buds to come on up and play in the Maine/NH woods. the roads are amazing, there's the notorious pucker stage at Concord Pond, plus loooong bashes (17 miles each way, in-out ) on Middle Dam, hairy 6th-gear sweepers on North Arm etc etc.

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Old 05-29-2009, 08:11 PM   #7
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I have no issue with the money getting in, i think that it's a great way to spread into the grassroot regional guys and get more involved. In fact i'm totally stoked for the entry fee for the regional guys.

What I'm not so happy about is the fact that any novice/provisional licensed guy/girl is required to follow the stingent rules and regulations of 18 coeffients to enter in "unrestricted" class or open. I bought my STi 3 years ago and finally decided to take the plunge into rally only to see that the rules have changed for RA specs. I went NASA not only because they have more events in my region and I can run USRC if I desire, but because I could build MY STi into an open class car of a PGT car without the license hassle and extra money that RA will make me spend in turning my car into an open light car.

I find it rediculous.

I thank you for the link to Bob and have my fingers crossed. It's hard enought to build a car (i should've bought one but hey, peice by peice is easier on me) never mind finding out that the car you built is going to be out of means to compete in RA events .... pretty annoying.
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I feel your pain. I was hoping a year of strong showing in USRC would help that before i jumped into RA, but this is just too good to pass up.
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Old 05-30-2009, 10:36 PM   #9
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I bought my STi 3 years ago and finally decided to take the plunge into rally only to see that the rules have changed for RA specs.
blah blah blah never mind finding out that the car you built is going to be out of means to compete in RA events .... pretty annoying.
What crack are you smoking? News was out in 2004 two years before your car was available that novice RA drivers had to start in non-turbo or low displacement 2wd which were in the RA rulebook in 2005.

http://www.specialstage.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=2847

Rule has been laxed up some since but still everyone knew 5 years before you even started building a rally car.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1743976

Rally in Canada and NASA and hit Team O'Neil's rallyschool till you're signed off. The rallying in Canada is better anyway.

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Old 06-11-2009, 01:05 PM   #10
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What I'm not so happy about is the fact that any novice/provisional licensed guy/girl is required to follow the stingent rules and regulations of 18 coeffients to enter in "unrestricted" class or open. I bought my STi 3 years ago and finally decided to take the plunge into rally only to see that the rules have changed for RA specs. I went NASA not only because they have more events in my region and I can run USRC if I desire, but because I could build MY STi into an open class car of a PGT car without the license hassle and extra money that RA will make me spend in turning my car into an open light car.

I find it rediculous.
Were you around in the late 90's and early 2000s to witness first hand what caused these rules? If not, then you have no appreciation of what the sport has been thru and what is necessary to keep it alive. It may be tough, but if what happened in SCCA were to happen in NASA, they'd be doing the same thing lickety split.
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Tbagger--

Making newbies start out in lower-spec cars is normal in any/every motorsport.

You can't just whip out your Large Checkbook for a used Indycar and go race Danica, you gots to start out in something a bit less crazy before you get to play with the big kids.

You can't just buy one-a Junior's ole Bud circle-trackers and go swap paint with the NASCAR boys, you gots to start out in the junior leagues and work your way up the ladder.

Rally is no different. Actually the ladder of upward progress is quite a bit easeir to access here than in Europe, whre you need to run a number of progressively-faster rally series over a number of seasons to reach the big time. Here you just need to buy/rent a lower-spec car and make it thru a few rallies in one piece before you can strap into a 300-hp STi and go sling gravel with Travis and Ken. A session at rally school like Team O'Neil will pay big dividends, a lot of newbies with fast cars wreck em right away and amazingly don't know WHY they wrecked--school can leapfrog you over this phase pretty quick.

If you have experience on track or in off-road trucks or whatever, this may help you get a waiver to run a rally STI right off, but these are decided on a case by case basis. Instead of bitching about your situation here, you'd be better off contacting Rally America or attending a few events and talking to the scrutineers and checking out the various cars (teams are usually pretty open about their cars and how they got there)

Ppl who spend beaucoup effort and $$ building cars before they actually check out the "mundane" details of the sport they want to enter are just asking for disappointment. Blaming the organizers and sanctioning bodies for trying to police thier sport is all backwards. Rules changes (generally) are telegraphed well in advance.
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Old 06-11-2009, 03:02 PM   #12
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How about we get off the newbie rules, and on to some juicy NEFR rumors.

I heard there is a shipping crate on it's way to the US with a couple top-spec Ford Escorts who will have some very fast European drivers at the wheel looking to take a piece of the MaxAttack! prize money.
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Have heard that there are some tres vite Quebec 2WD pilotes keen to tear up NEFR roads with the same mission in mind....
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whutevAr trips yer trigger! Except that one I'm thinking about could roll you up in a ball with one hand.



there's also a couple of real live Prodrive built Imprezas comin, too -- brite yello ones.
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Except that one I'm thinking about could roll you up in a ball with one hand.
If she/he drives a VW, think I'm whumped and out driven too.
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Second getting off the newbie....(although I'm biased as I'm the co-driver). He wasn't trying to come off as bashing the rules. We're just trying to get into running a big event, and so happens the class the car we built in his garage is an open class vehicle. We are not a team just throwing our checkbooks around and buying an already built car. We're doing it ourselves grassroots, where rally started.
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... wasn't trying to come off as bashing the rules. We're just trying to get into running a big event...We are not a team just throwing our checkbooks around and buying an already built car. We're doing it ourselves grassroots, where rally started.
Well, sorry if my post sounded like I was bashing y'all either.

Grass roots is the way to go, no question. It's just that being independent and DIY and all that good stuff can paint you into a very big (and unhappy) corner if you miss out on major details like car classing and licensing requirements.

hate to see you guys run into an obstacle like this when there are already enough obstacles to getting started -- costs, learning curve, technical issues, not to mention trees ditches n boulders out there in the woods!

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Haha ok, yea I understand. We've stuck to the rules and pinged some more experienced people on some stuff. The car will be getting looked over and log booked shortly.
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Im overnighting my check in today so that Ted will get it for sure on Monday.

Dave, i didnt see anything on the reg form asking for recce car info or service vehicle info. Also nothing about my crew? Im really hoping that just the basic form is all there really is and that Ted doesnt throw me into the other category of regular payment. If that is the case i think i wont be going bc i cant afford the extra cash when Rally WV is my main focus and is only 3 weeks later.

Also need to make sure that Mike from RA calls me back when he gets in on Monday to talk about my exemption so i can run my PGT WRX.

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billy

good news, glad you've done the regional reg. recce and service car info can be done on site, that stuff is separate from race car and crew reg.

pay by check to Ted or cc on R-A site--you'll; need to call RA first to set up account to do cc payment.

best of luck with exemption

so far, the reduced regional entry has flushed 20 crews out of the woods to come play at NEFR...that's twice the field as last year, with more still to come!

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I'm on the entry list (codriving). I'll see you guys there!
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Me too, copilote for the #110 car.

Regional entries now at 33, more than triple the turnout for last year. Schweet!

Big battles looming in the regional classes, NEFR is the season ending event for the East series. Overall, Open, Group 5 and Group 2 all will be decided.
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Rumor is I'll be there codriving also.

Don't know about those big regional battles. If Wyatt is in Tim's Mazda3 for MaxAttack! like I've heard, then the overall and open leader won't be in Open, only person w/ PGT points isn't coming, and the Gr2 leader isn't coming. Besides, there is a whole lot more to rallyracing than an empty championship cup, they're going to close the forest to let us drive like the hooligans. Beyond that, who cares who wins?

I remember back in the day of NEDIV SCCA ClubRally scene when ...

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