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Old 06-01-2009, 01:34 PM   #1
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are people getting these crazy fast times on stock td04 wrx's? ive got all this work into mine and i only squeezed out 13.4 on my vf39...then again it was my first time on the track but seeing people hit 12 on td04s makes me and . my reaction was .05 and 60' was 1.6...what can i do next time to improve?
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Old 06-01-2009, 01:52 PM   #2
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Your tune maybe? Doesn't matter how much cash you throw at your car, if your tune sucks, so does your car
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Old 06-01-2009, 01:57 PM   #3
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Tuned on cheetah blood, duh.



But for serious face, its 90% driver mod. Same reason people with 35rs and 550hp are running 13.4s...cant drive worth a poop.
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Old 06-01-2009, 02:01 PM   #4
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Tuned on cheetah blood, duh.



But for serious face, its 90% driver mod. Same reason people with 35rs and 550hp are running 13.4s...cant drive worth a poop.
Where can i buy some cheetah blood! I want some lol

I agree, all comes down to the driver. The sexy tune and modifications are just extras.
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Old 06-01-2009, 02:03 PM   #5
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Tuned on cheetah blood, duh.



But for serious face, its 90% driver mod. Same reason people with 35rs and 550hp are running 13.4s...cant drive worth a poop.
I have to agree on this, Its funny how an 18g subaru is breaking into the 10's already and those 35r 40 / 42 full race kits are stuck cause they cant drive. Thats why I learned the drive the crap out of my stock sti and I havent even started modding.
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Old 06-01-2009, 02:52 PM   #6
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theres a lot of variables.

car weight
track Density altitude
tune
driver skill
track prep

some you can control, others you can not.

faster times are usually had in cold low humidity weather with well prepped tracks and gutted cars.
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Old 06-01-2009, 03:15 PM   #7
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theres a lot of variables.

car weight
track Density altitude
tune
driver skill
track prep

some you can control, others you can not.

faster times are usually had in cold low humidity weather with well prepped tracks and gutted cars.
Agreed. Also, post your slip so we can where things are going wrong since it must be after the first 60' with a 1.6.
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Old 06-01-2009, 03:19 PM   #8
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With a small turbo you should look at weight reduction. This can make all the difference. All the really fast small turbo guys have some kind of weight reduction.

What altitude are you at? people only run those crazy fast times at sea level (or close to it) with those turbos....

Also... the launch will make a world of difference on your ET, a quick 60ft makes it happen
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Old 06-01-2009, 03:21 PM   #9
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Yeah what altitude maybe you are expecting way to much out of the thing...But yeah weight reduction slashes tomes down big...
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Old 06-01-2009, 04:39 PM   #10
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If you're drag racing to get the absolute best time your car is capable of it takes more than just a launch. Your shifts need to be quick and smooth, and you also need to experiment with rpm shift points to get the maximum trap speed. The launch is very important but only half the battle when racing the clock.
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Old 06-01-2009, 05:10 PM   #11
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its ur fuel mag its got a nasty hull thats y ur unloading in third

i’d lengthen the injector pulse and tune the nos timer

go see harry. ask him for two of the big ones.
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Old 06-01-2009, 05:14 PM   #12
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Never seen this quote before

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its ur fuel mag its got a nasty hull thats y ur unloading in third

id lengthen the injector pulse and tune the nos timer

go see harry. ask him for two of the big ones.
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Old 06-01-2009, 05:20 PM   #13
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fine real advice:

you're obviously launching it right with a 60ft of 1.6 you should be clear into the 12s. Its probably something with your tune though, and can't help without more info. I see in your sig you have 278 whp. Is it consistent in every gear or is it peaky? How hard do you shift? do you lose any traction in between shifting? What are your shift points? They will probably be slightly different with a vf39 than they were with the TD04.

Back in the day I was pushing somewhere around 230whp on a td04 and was @ the low 13 mark.
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Old 06-01-2009, 05:26 PM   #14
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^^^really lol
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Old 06-01-2009, 05:33 PM   #15
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Race gas tunes and/or nitrous

weight reduction

good track / location

good driver

tires

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Old 06-01-2009, 06:19 PM   #16
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I have to agree on this, Its funny how an 18g subaru is breaking into the 10's already and those 35r 40 / 42 full race kits are stuck cause they cant drive. Thats why I learned the drive the crap out of my stock sti and I havent even started modding.

Money doesn't buy driving skills, but it does buy some sweet parts!
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Old 06-01-2009, 06:33 PM   #17
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I have to agree on this, Its funny how an 18g subaru is breaking into the 10's already and those 35r 40 / 42 full race kits are stuck cause they cant drive. Thats why I learned the drive the crap out of my stock sti and I havent even started modding.
well, its a lot harder to drive a big rotated setup on a 6 speed than a gutted 18g with ppgs, especially if you dont have LC or FFS on the big rotated setup.


and you can learn how to drive your stock car all you want, but driving a 600whp car with a quintuple plate clutch, slicks, and no launch control is a whole different story.

its basically like learning to drive a whole new car again.

I got to drive ESX's Grand Prix car and its absolutely nothing like a stock sti or even my 400whp wrx and sti. It would take many driving sessions to learn how to drive it.
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Old 06-01-2009, 06:48 PM   #18
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are people getting these crazy fast times on stock td04 wrx's?
Lots of boost + meth + good driving.
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Old 06-01-2009, 08:25 PM   #19
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Well you're at sea level and you cracked a 1.6 60 ft., you should be about a full second faster. Need to see your slip to see where things went wrong.
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Old 06-01-2009, 08:57 PM   #20
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yeah, please post a slip so we can see whats going on, cause i went and did a 2.0 60' and et'd at 13.01 at 106.59mph, so if your doing 1.6 sec 60' and only hitting 13.4 then something else is going on.

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Old 06-01-2009, 09:04 PM   #21
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normally i hit 1.8 60' but after breaking a few trannies, i decided to roll off the line to save the current tranny.
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Old 06-01-2009, 10:08 PM   #22
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Woahh lots of replies. Sorry for dissappearing, I had to go to work.

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Your tune maybe? Doesn't matter how much cash you throw at your car, if your tune sucks, so does your car
tune should suck though, car was tuned by cleo at precision..heres the dyno sheet.
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theres a lot of variables.

car weight
track Density altitude
tune
driver skill
track prep

some you can control, others you can not.

faster times are usually had in cold low humidity weather with well prepped tracks and gutted cars.
car weight - my cars weight is stock, actually i had about 100lbs of crap in the trunk at the track...long story. How much difference does that account for?

track density altidude- not sure, it was at englishtown raceway in march.

driver skill - like i said, it was my first time ever at the track, ever. I got a good launch, shifted around 6800, no traction loss during shifts.

I trapped 105.

track prep

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Agreed. Also, post your slip so we can where things are going wrong since it must be after the first 60' with a 1.6.
I WISH I had the time slip, it was back in march, cant seem to find a single one, I'm going to dig up my room and see if I can find the one with the 13.4.


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If you're drag racing to get the absolute best time your car is capable of it takes more than just a launch. Your shifts need to be quick and smooth, and you also need to experiment with rpm shift points to get the maximum trap speed. The launch is very important but only half the battle when racing the clock.
Makes sence, i guess practice makes perfect. I have had ZERO practice. Ive been on a track a total of 3 runs. 13.7 the first time ever, 13.4 next time, and a 13.6 on the third run, but that was a crap launch.

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its ur fuel mag its got a nasty hull thats y ur unloading in third

id lengthen the injector pulse and tune the nos timer

go see harry. ask him for two of the big ones.
hahahahaha ive never seen that one used either. great.

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fine real advice:

you're obviously launching it right with a 60ft of 1.6 you should be clear into the 12s. Its probably something with your tune though, and can't help without more info. I see in your sig you have 278 whp. Is it consistent in every gear or is it peaky? How hard do you shift? do you lose any traction in between shifting? What are your shift points? They will probably be slightly different with a vf39 than they were with the TD04.

Back in the day I was pushing somewhere around 230whp on a td04 and was @ the low 13 mark.
exactly, I assume I should be in mid 12's. Power feels pretty consistent, pulls smooth almost to redline in every gear. See dynosheet above.

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yeah, please post a slip so we can see whats going on, cause i went and did a 2.0 60' and et'd at 13.01 at 106.59mph, so if your doing 1.6 sec 60' and only hitting 13.4 then something else is going on.
I ended up trapping 105 at 13.45, I'll start looking for that slip!
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are people getting these crazy fast times on stock td04 wrx's? ive got all this work into mine and i only squeezed out 13.4 on my vf39...then again it was my first time on the track but seeing people hit 12 on td04s makes me and . my reaction was .05 and 60' was 1.6...what can i do next time to improve?
Wow, you hit a great 60ft and still only ran 13.4, with a 39

I dont know what your slip looks like, but granted you can drive very well:
Many tri-state tuners are good with the suby's. Rob at AMR, Chris at EFi, and the list is ongoing. However, if you want to shine at the dragstrip, you have to go with a Junior tune. His best TD04 went a full second ( yes 1.000) faster than your 39.
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I hate to be the first but untill I see a slip I am gonna throw the BS flag on the 1.6 60ft.
He doesnt know what track prep is but laid out a 1.6? Come on. No one rips off a 1.6 in thier 1st 3 runs at the dragstrip
MAYBE a 1.96

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Does seem unlikely!! 1.6 is ripping off the line like you would consider breaking something... and anything faster pretty much means your trying too
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