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Old 06-03-2009, 12:53 PM   #1
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i'm looking to get started in Rally X this fall - i'm in the Baltimore area so that means heading out to Summit Point for events. any suggestions for someone looking to run a stock 2.5l wagon?

the only thing i need is a helmet and some cash for entry right?

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Old 06-03-2009, 03:42 PM   #2
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That is all you need and a willingness to whoop on your car. Though, usually you arn't going to hurt anything.

Don't over think it, just go out and have fun.

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Old 06-03-2009, 05:38 PM   #3
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so many ppl just starting out get stalled by the dread Analysis Paralysis Syndrome, in which they over think everything except the one key to rallyX...you are out there to have a blast haul-assing around in the dirt.

remember that, and you'll be fine.

oat the events, you'll meet lots of like-minded ppl. they will help advise you what's needed for the next steps.

you'll either get hooked and go bananas with skidplates and gravel tires etc ...or move on to something else that trips yer trigger.
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Old 06-03-2009, 06:59 PM   #4
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you are out there to have a blast haul-assing around in the dirt.
that's the plan - trying not to fall into the APS problem, i'm just looking how to hook up with the group that does the events at Summit or if there is anything closer.

i heard there was a class in Sept on Sat with racing on Sun. 7am on Sun is damn early considering i'm 2hours away.

skid plate and rear diff knocker have been on the want list for a few years. i just came in from installing Rally Armour flaps - already runs faster, they must really help!

as for whooping on my car, i like do a fair amount of dirt road driving - a few hours after a heavy rain is best

-steve
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Old 06-04-2009, 12:07 PM   #5
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several of the summit point people are on this forum in the mid-atlantic region. many of them are also on dirtyimpreza, which has a lot more information on getting into rallycross readily available, as well as a forum full of like-minded people to point you in a few directions on used car selection.

summit point is not a flat course. people do occasionally take some damage, but its all about how balls out you run. i would recommend a skid plate for that venue...i'm glad i put one on before my first event. with my beat suspension, i hear that thing hit the ground often.

and if you like mud driving, you will like summit point:
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Old 06-10-2009, 12:37 PM   #6
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Dirtyimpreza.com/forums for the win.

Met some very close friends through rallycrosses and DI.

Just bring your car, extra set of tires incase you roll a bead and a heavy foot.
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Old 06-10-2009, 01:11 PM   #7
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You've made a good decision...All cars deserve to be treated to some dirt.

The WDCR events are great and there is one this Sunday. Summit Point is about as good as it gets for a rallycross track: elevation changes, various surfaces, long runs, and fast.

DC Region event schedule: http://www.wdcr-scca.org/RallyCross/...8/Default.aspx

We also have rallycross events out here in the Pittburgh area. Since you're from B-more I know that 3 hours seems like a far drive...but once you start you may become hooked. We have a crew that regularly drives the 3 hour trek to Summit to get our fix.

Pittsburgh event schedule(plus anywhere else we find): http://rallyeast.com/
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Old 06-10-2009, 01:26 PM   #8
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Just your helmet, well maintained car, and 40 psi in the tires. And I assume you already know about the racing line.

Here's an explanation I needed when I first started (some gleaned from a rallyx school I attended):

DISCLAIMER: I'm a student passing info I've collected to a noobier student. I do NOT profess to be an expert. Corrections welcomed.

And if you've never driving off road AT SPEED, pretend you just came out of car wash, soap is all over your tires, you have crappy bald $35 donut tires on, and it's raining sheets outside. That's what traction is like. It's a totally different surface so the car will not respond by turning the wheel. You can teach yourself to be sensitive to the cars weight transfer (even with normal driving) by paying attention to how the weight of the car shifts around as you drive. You'll need to use that weight transfer to turn the car... gas enough (a lot more than on the street due to low traction) to get the nose up a bit (weight going backwards) then suddenly release so the nose dives. This causes the front wheels to bite better; so steer and this will induce the tail to slide out. This is how you induce your car's rotation.

Start your turns EARLY because you will slide a few car lengths. This does NOT mean an early apex. You are starting the turn early because the low traction conditions means you have very little traction to use to get the car to turn. This is a key difference to low traction surface like rallyx vs street driving.

Once you've induced your weight transfer to get you to rotate and slide, you (should) have just done what you needed to get through that corner. Once you've initiated your rotation, you get back on the gas and straighten the wheel. If you've initiated the right amount of rotation, you'll spend the rest of the sliding time getting your car to STOP rotating so you'll be pointing to hit the apex and accelerate straight out. Steer sensitively with the wheel to try and keep the front in traction, NOT just pointing where you want to go. Feather the gas to balance the car, or gun the gas to keep you rotating if you find you need more. Sliding replaces some/all of your braking/trail braking zone... it is NOT for exiting a turn like a drifter.

If you didn't do the initial part right, you screwed that corner and you best bet is to just slow down and get setup for the next corner.

If you did do everything right, you'll be pointing a vector from the apex to corner exit and you can WOT to exit.
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Old 06-10-2009, 02:06 PM   #9
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Even if you are not sure about competing yet, come out to Summit and watch either this Sunday (the 14th) or one of the next few events. I'll be there helping the organizers and running #16 in the M4 class, a 2000 RS coupe.

Actually, since it's a national event, the car owner can't ride along with me since he's competing. That leaves lots of runs for you or anyone else to ride along.
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Old 06-10-2009, 02:08 PM   #10
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Oh, and there is an official local rally thread in the MAIC section of this forum...

That would also be a good place to ask questions and get advice from locals:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1679850
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Old 06-10-2009, 03:25 PM   #11
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i think i can make it out this weekend to watch at Summit Point. if i can find a helmet, i'll gladly be your ballast.

-steve
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Old 06-10-2009, 03:31 PM   #12
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i think i can make it out this weekend to watch at Summit Point. if i can find a helmet, i'll gladly be your ballast.

-steve
There will be loaners there and I have a spare Large I can bring.
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Old 06-10-2009, 08:56 PM   #13
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There will be loaners there and I have a spare Large I can bring.
i don't think i can get there before the 8:30am cutoff. i'd have to leave my house pretty early and i'll be at the DC United game on Saturday night. makes it hard to crawl out of bed that early

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Old 06-10-2009, 09:14 PM   #14
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i don't think i can get there before the 8:30am cutoff. i'd have to leave my house pretty early and i'll be at the DC United game on Saturday night. makes it hard to crawl out of bed that early

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I'll actually be at the United game Saturday night too. We will be leaving Silver Spring for Summit EARLY on Sunday morning.
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Old 06-11-2009, 09:48 AM   #15
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i don't think i can get there before the 8:30am cutoff. i'd have to leave my house pretty early and i'll be at the DC United game on Saturday night. makes it hard to crawl out of bed that early

-steve
Aww, quit yer whinin lad! Yer not spozed to git any sleep the nite before a race anyway.

Set that alarm, get goin & git there EARLY. If you're barely makin the cutoff, you're behind the 8-ball before ya even start.

Or, forget sleep & just drive straight from watchin the DC United game and you'll be the first one on site.
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