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Old 06-03-2009, 10:27 PM   #1
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There is a good chance this is a repost. I searched and found nothing though

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Old 06-03-2009, 10:29 PM   #2
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Old 06-03-2009, 10:29 PM   #3
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it needs the roof wing like the dirt track guys run.
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Old 06-03-2009, 10:36 PM   #4
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Old 06-03-2009, 10:48 PM   #5
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Yeah, that is one interesting car... I am part of the Redline crew and so I was able to see it first hand. (In fact I had to tech the car to make sure all the safety features were there.)

Willow Springs is one fast beast of a track, that's for sure!
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Old 06-03-2009, 10:49 PM   #6
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Old 06-03-2009, 10:53 PM   #7
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Looks like lifting fixtures to load it up when it pops
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Old 06-03-2009, 11:03 PM   #8
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Old 06-03-2009, 11:19 PM   #9
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we were there running our car and saw Chris Rado's car in action.. for a FWD car to put down a 1:22 is damn amazing... Chris said the car did not understeer or oversteer, and mentioned that he had to re-learn how to drive the car because it was on rails!

I guess the ALMS guys know a thing or two..
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Old 06-04-2009, 07:58 AM   #10
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Laugh all you want but that setup works and there currently are no rules in the RLTA that say you can't.
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Old 06-04-2009, 11:06 AM   #11
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Presumably the car has no benchmark without those wings at that track. It might be faster without them.
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Old 06-04-2009, 11:11 AM   #12
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Laugh all you want but that setup works and there currently are no rules in the RLTA that say you can't.
Yup!

People joked when FWD drag cars starting using wheelie bars.... but they worked! And this works too. Props to Rado and his crew for pulling it off. Let's see how they can do in Chicago!
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Old 06-04-2009, 12:10 PM   #13
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Laugh all you want but that setup works and there currently are no rules in the RLTA that say you can't.
i guess as long as you aren't lapping next to people on track it isn't a big deal, but that thing would be dangerous during failure for anyone behind him.
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Old 06-04-2009, 12:15 PM   #14
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yeah pretty exciting that he laid down that time at willow in a FWD car. gotta love it.

it's good to see old school import drag racers like rado, the bergenholtz and papadakis excel in other racing disciplines. steph has been able to build some bulletproof cars for tanner foust and the bergenholtz just finished that turbo 3 rotor rx8 for justin pawlak to drive this weekend in the formula drift NJ event.
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Old 06-04-2009, 12:28 PM   #15
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Props to "out of the box" thinking to those guys... but

It is stuff like this (and the GOTO GT-R) that will eventually start to limit participation in these types of events. Same effect that the 917-30 had on CAN-AM. The crazier these cars become and the faster they go; the more you limit the partipation that you will ultimately see because it will become too time and cost consuming.

This era now is probably going to be referred to as the "golden" era of Unlimited TA cars, so enjoy it while you can.

I guess my only point is it would be nice to see these teams use a bit of restraint so that they don't ruin it for the low budget joe shmo teams.
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Old 06-04-2009, 01:03 PM   #16
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Props to "out of the box" thinking to those guys... but

It is stuff like this (and the GOTO GT-R) that will eventually start to limit participation in these types of events. Same effect that the 917-30 had on CAN-AM. The crazier these cars become and the faster they go; the more you limit the partipation that you will ultimately see because it will become too time and cost consuming.

This era now is probably going to be referred to as the "golden" era of Unlimited TA cars, so enjoy it while you can.

I guess my only point is it would be nice to see these teams use a bit of restraint so that they don't ruin it for the low budget joe shmo teams.
I see where you're coming from on this, and agree to an extent, but I will point out that unlike some other motorsport series, the lower rung classes (Modified and Street) are arguably just as competitive as the top level Unlimited.

That being said, I do think it very well could be at the point where costs will be spiralling up and the level of competition is too high for many to be even close to achieving. I guess we'll just have to see what happens. Even in these tough economic times, the fields haven't dropped too much, so maybe when everyone has jobs again there'll be an enormous field of crazy TA cars at each event, in all classes.

As for the car: Chris Rado is and has been a very forward thinking innovator for some time. I remember one of his TC drag cars was outlawed for a couple things that were gray areas in the rule books, but were deemed illegal. I think he proved last year with his impressive runs in the TC that a fwd car can do some serious damage, and I have no doubt that once this car is dialed in it'll turn even more heads.

Anyone know if he's still working on the awd TC?
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Old 06-04-2009, 01:14 PM   #17
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Props to "out of the box" thinking to those guys... but

It is stuff like this (and the GOTO GT-R) that will eventually start to limit participation in these types of events. Same effect that the 917-30 had on CAN-AM. The crazier these cars become and the faster they go; the more you limit the partipation that you will ultimately see because it will become too time and cost consuming.

This era now is probably going to be referred to as the "golden" era of Unlimited TA cars, so enjoy it while you can.

I guess my only point is it would be nice to see these teams use a bit of restraint so that they don't ruin it for the low budget joe shmo teams.
I agree that time attack is on its way to being prohibitively expensive. But it's the responsibility of the series to make the rules that will limit teams from doing too much. That's what I like about NASA, there are many classes to choose from that will fit any budget.
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Old 06-04-2009, 01:53 PM   #18
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This is for the UNLIMITED class and not intended for the lower/entry level guys. Let them play. That wing is only a drop in the bucket for their budget, the motor they replaced costed a lot more than that wing did....

My only bitch is that they got it on track before I could reveal mine.....
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you guys obviously have never seen early 70's can-am cars with active wings and 1500hp, or the infamous porsche 935:

http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z...rsche-935.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CanAm

Bravo to the innovation. this is great stuff. People that did not read the rules, and work within them to get the most out of their cars are probably pissed right now. they were thinking "in the box".
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Old 06-04-2009, 02:15 PM   #20
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Some buildup pics I found...insane.

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009...shop-tour.aspx



It's an Unlimited class...let it be unlimited. See what people do. There are plenty of other classes to compete within the ruleset. Crazy stuff.
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This is for the UNLIMITED class and not intended for the lower/entry level guys. Let them play. That wing is only a drop in the bucket for their budget, the motor they replaced costed a lot more than that wing did....

My only bitch is that they got it on track before I could reveal mine.....
I agree that they should go for it, you do what it takes to win.. I just think this is the beginning of the end for a truely unlimited class. Again I point to the 917-30 and CAN-AM.
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Old 06-04-2009, 02:55 PM   #22
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I think the only issue that the unlimited class will truly run into is budget...yes, there are lower levels for lower budgets to compete but with everything being open there will become a limit where teams just can't keep paying to keep up and budgets run out. It happens in all forms of racing. Once the bar gets raised and price to pay keeps going up, there will be more that can't afford it, from the few that currently can.

Its fun to see what can be done but truly if a team built a car to the edge of the rules right now (including numerous outside of the box ideas), assuming they'd have te budget, it would destroy the rest of the field...active aero is legal, sequential trans, active diffs, etc...hell they never said you can't do a sucker car either...there are MANY MANY things that can still be done to push the limits of the cars that aren't being done yet.
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time attack should have a class for the all-out, the wicked, the insane. fastest lap in a factory bodied car. lambo, gtr, whatever. no rules on wings, no rules on breaks, no rules on fuel. rules on fire systems, cages and safety gear of course. whatever r compound tire that will fit.

and then, a ruleset that favors the privateers.
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I think the only issue that the unlimited class will truly run into is budget...yes, there are lower levels for lower budgets to compete but with everything being open there will become a limit where teams just can't keep paying to keep up and budgets run out. It happens in all forms of racing. Once the bar gets raised and price to pay keeps going up, there will be more that can't afford it, from the few that currently can.

Its fun to see what can be done but truly if a team built a car to the edge of the rules right now (including numerous outside of the box ideas), assuming they'd have te budget, it would destroy the rest of the field...active aero is legal, sequential trans, active diffs, etc...hell they never said you can't do a sucker car either...there are MANY MANY things that can still be done to push the limits of the cars that aren't being done yet.

For sure! You think about the costs that are going into that GT-R right now. For roughly that amount of money you could go buy an old GT-1/Trans-AM car. For a bump in $$ go get yourself a Daytona Prototype (what $250k-ish?).

Hell! Do they sell off old F1 cars? Go get a 2000-2004 F1 car!
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time attack should have a class for the all-out, the wicked, the insane. fastest lap in a factory bodied car. lambo, gtr, whatever. no rules on wings, no rules on breaks, no rules on fuel. rules on fire systems, cages and safety gear of course. whatever r compound tire that will fit.

and then, a ruleset that favors the privateers.
They do, it's called the unlimited class...
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