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Old 06-07-2009, 12:20 AM   #1
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http://www.northjersey.com/multimedi.../47054637.html

Good thing they charged him. I guess more cameras is a good thing sometimes.
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Old 06-07-2009, 12:27 AM   #2
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Woah. That sumbitch can take a hit!
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Old 06-07-2009, 12:28 AM   #3
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Old 06-07-2009, 12:29 AM   #4
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it was like when homer fought tatem o'neill.
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Old 06-07-2009, 12:30 AM   #5
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There must be two sides to this oh god I can't do it.
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Old 06-07-2009, 09:24 AM   #7
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Old 06-07-2009, 09:34 AM   #8
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I'd like to know more details on this.

From the video, it looks like they just started harrassing the guy who was standing on the street corner. Was he a person of interest? Was he a known troublemaker? Was he just some random guy on the street corner who happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time?

From just the video, I'd say those 2 cops have a real problem on their hands. But like I said, I want more details.
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Old 06-07-2009, 10:27 AM   #9
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Seems about right.

Passaic. =|
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1) that guy looked like a crazy drug addict. His behavior was odd from the start. Standing there popping and locking, taking off his coat, putting it on. All behavior I've seen from people on drugs (crack).

2) That video is quite clearly sped up. Don't know why, but it does make the officers look like they're just swinging away, when in reality, I'll bet if you played it at real time speeds it'd seem much less violent.

3) That officer was not using excessive force IMO, and the suspect was resisting. From the moment the officer throws him on the car he begins to passively resist. He obviously refuses the officer's commands to get on the ground, on his stomach and put his arms out (that's what the officer was trying to do - get him face down to cuff him). You can see that suspect squaring off to the officer when he gets up. Also, when he's down the officer is striking him in the thigh area, which is textbook ASP training. He is probably giving him commands to lay down on his stomach, and the suspect is clearly refusing. He even gets up.

4) That female officer is useless, and if she were my partner, I'd hit her with the baton too.

5) The male officer just holds the suspect until the backup unit arrives, and they take the suspect into custody while the suspect is standing up, with no further force.

Necessary force is defined as, "The amount of force needed to affect arrest." The officers used just that. He used enough force to keep the suspect until he could be taken into custody.


A taser would have ended this before it began.
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1) that guy looked like a crazy drug addict. His behavior was odd from the start. Standing there popping and locking, taking off his coat, putting it on. All behavior I've seen from people on drugs (crack).

2) That video is quite clearly sped up. Don't know why, but it does make the officers look like they're just swinging away, when in reality, I'll bet if you played it at real time speeds it'd seem much less violent.

3) That officer was not using excessive force IMO, and the suspect was resisting. From the moment the officer throws him on the car he begins to passively resist. He obviously refuses the officer's commands to get on the ground, on his stomach and put his arms out (that's what the officer was trying to do - get him face down to cuff him). You can see that suspect squaring off to the officer when he gets up. Also, when he's down the officer is striking him in the thigh area, which is textbook ASP training. He is probably giving him commands to lay down on his stomach, and the suspect is clearly refusing. He even gets up.

4) That female officer is useless, and if she were my partner, I'd hit her with the baton too.

5) The male officer just holds the suspect until the backup unit arrives, and they take the suspect into custody while the suspect is standing up, with no further force.

Necessary force is defined as, "The amount of force needed to affect arrest." The officers used just that. He used enough force to keep the suspect until he could be taken into custody.


A taser would have ended this before it began.
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Passaic police Officer Joseph J. Rios III, who was videotaped striking a mentally disabled man repeatedly with a baton and his fists, has been placed on desk duty, Passaic’s mayor said this afternoon.

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Ronnie Holloway, who is shown being beaten by police in a surveillance video, joined about 150 people protesting against the incident during a rally outside Passaic City Hall on Saturday.

“The video of this incident is extremely disconcerting, but I urge the community to withhold judgment until a complete investigation of the incident is concluded and reviewed by independent law enforcement officials,” Mayor Alex Blanco said in a statement released during the afternoon. “In discussions with our police chief, I have requested that Officer Rios by placed on modified duty until the investigation and independent review are complete.”

The statement came after about 150 people protested outside City Hall, demanding that the Police Department fire Rios.

Ronnie Holloway, the man beaten in the May 29 incident, and his mother, Betty, attended the peaceful demonstration, which was organized by various community leaders.

“This man should never have gone through what he did,” said Zachary McDaniel, pastor of the Second Timothy Baptist Church in Passaic. “Cops are here to protect us. How can they be protecting us when they beat us?”

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Surveillance video that shows the incident between Passaic Police and Ronnie Holloway.

Protesters carried placards that read, “Fire Rios,” “Stop police brutality,” “Stop the madness” and, “No justice no peace.”

Holloway, 49, spoke to reporters about how he had always respected police officers and had not had a problem with them until the altercation with Rios.

He said he was taking his nightly walk when Rios and at least one other officer passed by him in their cruiser and asked him to zip his sweatshirt, which he said he had unzipped because he felt warm. He maintained that had begun to comply when Rios exited the cruiser and threw him against the car hood and then threw him to the pavement.

“I remember him saying ‘Get down’ and swinging,” Holloway said. “I didn’t think I’d see tomorrow.”

Holloway said that amid the blows, he got glimpse of another officer, a female, standing by.

“I was in pain,” Holloway said, “but to my knowledge I don’t recall her intending to stop him. She wasn’t doing her job.”

The incident was recorded via a nearby security camera. The recording shows Holloway standing on a street corner when it began.

Nancy E. Lucianna, Holloway’s attorney, said Rios should be “removed from the force immediately.”

She blasted as “baseless” charges brought against Holloway that accuse him of resisting arrest, disorderly conduct and wandering with the intent to purchase narcotics.

“They’re baseless charges that were just brought to justify the beating that he got,” Lucianna said, adding that she probably would file a lawsuit as a result of the incident. “They never dreamed that a videotape was capturing it.”

Lucianna said Holloway had never had a problem with police.

Holloway’s mother said that her son suffers from schizophrenia and had never dabbled in non-prescription drugs. She added that she was bewildered by the way her son was treated by police on the day of the incident, even after she told them that he was mentally ill and needed to take his medication.

“They wouldn’t let me go and see him and give him the medication,” she said. “They just took him to the hospital. The hospital checked him and released him. And he was left to just walk home more than a mile.

“I didn’t even know he was at the hospital, or that they released him or that he was walking all the way home.”

Asked for a comment this afternoon, Passaic police said any comment would have to come from a public information officer. No such officer was on duty today, they said. A message left for the officer was not returned.

Among the demonstrators calling for Rios’s removal from the force was Shawanna Barksdale, a Passaic woman who alleges that Rios used excessive force on her last year after demanding that she get out of her car.

Barksdale said that her complaints against Rios, alleging that he used excessive force, resulted in no disciplinary action against him.

Lucianna said she wanted to get the details of Barksdale’s allegations and would look into them.

Barksdale’s sister, Tasha, praised the decision by the mayor and police chief to place Rios on desk duty.

“It’s good they finally decided to do something,” she said. “I’m happy that he’s not on active duty on the street where he’s not able to harm anyone else.”
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1) that guy looked like a crazy drug addict. His behavior was odd from the start. Standing there popping and locking, taking off his coat, putting it on. All behavior I've seen from people on drugs (crack).

2) That video is quite clearly sped up. Don't know why, but it does make the officers look like they're just swinging away, when in reality, I'll bet if you played it at real time speeds it'd seem much less violent.

3) That officer was not using excessive force IMO, and the suspect was resisting. From the moment the officer throws him on the car he begins to passively resist. He obviously refuses the officer's commands to get on the ground, on his stomach and put his arms out (that's what the officer was trying to do - get him face down to cuff him). You can see that suspect squaring off to the officer when he gets up. Also, when he's down the officer is striking him in the thigh area, which is textbook ASP training. He is probably giving him commands to lay down on his stomach, and the suspect is clearly refusing. He even gets up.

4) That female officer is useless, and if she were my partner, I'd hit her with the baton too.

5) The male officer just holds the suspect until the backup unit arrives, and they take the suspect into custody while the suspect is standing up, with no further force.

Necessary force is defined as, "The amount of force needed to affect arrest." The officers used just that. He used enough force to keep the suspect until he could be taken into custody.


A taser would have ended this before it began.
Taking the article into consideration, was it necessary in the first place to use physical force?
You said the video is sped up, but I don't see that from the time they make contact with him to the point of where the officer uses physical force.
Is it an ordinance to be essentially bare chested? I know some towns around here(beach) they say anywhere off of the beach you must have a shirt on.
Oh and +1 to that female cop being useless.
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Well, seems there are two sides to the story.
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I dont know what to say to this......The video makes it look like the guy was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and the police mistook his actions. If he is mentally ill like the article suggest then that makes what the police did even worse.


From 19-21 on the video it looks like he was pushed to the hood of the car and either thrown to the street or he tried to get away. Either way the officer started to punch the guy in the face then use the billy club. Can you say excessive force? I dont see resisting. When the other cops showed up everything was pretty well contained. I guess billy clubbing the hell out of someone will do that.

That is very similar to a situation we had out here in Denver years ago. Police raided the WRONG apartment shot and killed a guy because they confused a can of soda for a hand grenade (no joke). Same thing, the cop overreacted, and honestly Im glad this guy received desk duty.
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Taking the article into consideration, was it necessary in the first place to use physical force?
You said the video is sped up, but I don't see that from the time they make contact with him to the point of where the officer uses physical force.
Is it an ordinance to be essentially bare chested? I know some towns around here(beach) they say anywhere off of the beach you must have a shirt on.
Oh and +1 to that female cop being useless.
I don't know about the bare chest ordinance. But in a place where people are wearing long sleeves and coats a guy with his sweatshirt unzipped is certainly something for an officer to scratch his head at. Definitely Reasonable Suspicion to stop and talk with the guy. Who knows what he said once the officers approached him.

See below for my thoughts on the force. I don't think the male officer overreacted at all. I think he was judicious in his use of force.

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I dont know what to say to this......The video makes it look like the guy was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and the police mistook his actions. If he is mentally ill like the article suggest then that makes what the police did even worse.


From 19-21 on the video it looks like he was pushed to the hood of the car and either thrown to the street or he tried to get away. Either way the officer started to punch the guy in the face then use the billy club. Can you say excessive force? I dont see resisting. When the other cops showed up everything was pretty well contained. I guess billy clubbing the hell out of someone will do that.

That is very similar to a situation we had out here in Denver years ago. Police raided the WRONG apartment shot and killed a guy because they confused a can of soda for a hand grenade (no joke). Same thing, the cop overreacted, and honestly Im glad this guy received desk duty.
1) No, we don't know why the officers confronted the man. Like I said, from the seconds of the video before police arrive, he looked to me to be on drugs. His mannerisms and the unzipped shirt (in apparently cool weather - he had pants and a sweatshirt, the officers and passerby were similarly dressed) lead me to think something was off with him. Robbing banks? No. Disorderly, drunk, mentally ill? Possibly/probably. Who waits right on the curb like that to cross? I don't. I don't think I've ever seen many people do that.

2) This is in NO WAY like police raiding the wrong apartment and shooting an unarmed man.

3) It can be very hard to tell the difference between mentally ill and intoxicated on drugs or alcohol in a brief encounter, or at the outset of an encounter. And remember, mentally ill people use/abuse drugs/alcohol too.

4) You probably don't recognize passive resisting because you're not a cop. Actually, you do recognize it, and you wrote that you did:
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From 19-21 on the video it looks like he was pushed to the hood of the car and either thrown to the street or he tried to get away
I've arrested countless people who've resisted just like this guy did. Hands up, staring at you, refusing to comply with lawful commands.


Let me break the video down for you, from my point of view, having been in fights like this countless times:
If you watch, when the officer tries to put the suspect on the hood, the suspect actually goes left, towards the driver's door (an officer wouldn't go that way, he's aiming the guy towards the hood, to bend him over and get him off balance and leaning on the hood), and then the officer redirects him towards teh hood, and you can see the suspect's hands pushing on the mirror, spinning himself so his right side's against the fender, and not his front. This is a bad situation for the officer to be in, right up against the suspect, with the suspect facing him.

At this point the suspect has tried to go in a direction other than that direct by the officer, and is now turning towards the officer. The officer tries to take him to the ground with a poorly executed arm-bar take down. Ideally it'd result in the suspect landing on his stomach. But the suspect twists as he falls, and lands on his side, again with the officer face to face. Again, this is passive resistance, he's refusing to go the direction the officer is making him go.

Now the officer is on top of him, and the suspect is balling up. Presumably the officer is ordering him to get on his stomach (because that's how we're trained), and the guy is refusing. The officer delivers 2 strikes to the suspect's upper torso or head (strikes we're trained to deliver as distractionary strikes to momentarily stun the suspect so we can gain control). The suspect still stays in the balled up, face up position.

The officer draws his baton and delivers 3 strikes (the first swing you see is the officer extending the baton, and is not a strike). Each strike is seconds apart, and the officer is again probably ordering the suspect to 'stop resisting, get on his stomach, put his hands behind his back). These strikes are textbook, aiming for the thigh area. What I see is the officer giving commands, then striking once. The suspect fails to comply, the officer is giving commands, and striking again. And a third time.

Then the suspect GETS UP. This is an act of resisting arrest, and of aggression. The suspect is getting into an aggressive posture. He stands up, and pushes against the officer's hand on his chest, facing the officer. He's not trying to run, he's not trying to let the officer arrest him. He's going face to face with the officer.

The officer pushes the suspect towards the cruiser, if you watch close, you see the officer tries to spin the suspect face down onto the hood. The suspect resists this, and stands up, again facing the officer. The officer delivers one strike to the suspect's thigh.

*A note about these strikes - they hurt. BAD. Like a charlie horse times 100. And this suspect is not phased. At first I said he looked like he was on drugs. The article says he is schizophrenic. That's worse. Mentally ill people can sometimes feel very little pain, and it is clear this suspect isn't really responding to the strikes.*

Now the officer holds the suspect still. I think he's waiting for backup, and knows it's close. He can probably hear the sirens.

He tries for another take down, and the suspect runs out of it (one way to beat a poorly executed arm-bar take down is to keep running). The officer didn't yank the suspect's arm to the side. If he had, he'd have thrown the suspect off balance, and THEN you start the forward motion, pushing the arm down and pulling to you at the same time. The two directions cause the suspect to stumble, you keep running and down they go. This officer just went with the forward motion.

The suspect gets/stays up and the officer strikes him again. One time. He tries for one more take down as backup arrives, the suspect doesn't go down, and backup takes him into custody.

Now, we've seen 2 punches, and 5 baton strikes. That is NOT a lot. The video, from start until he's in custody is 1minute, 12 seconds long. So 7 total strikes in 1:12. That's like 1 every 10 seconds. NOT a lot. I timed the video, and I was apparently wrong, it's not sped up.

The one time I've used my baton I probably hit the suspect 10-15 times in the thigh as fast as I could swing. And he still kept fighting. And it lasted a LOT less than 1:12.

I think this officer will be on desk duty until the bad press blows over, then he'll be back on the road. The real concern to me in this video is why the officer's female partner did nothing. If I was a supervisor, SHE would be on desk duty. The male officer could have been injured in that fight and she did nothing. And if she'd helped, that suspect could have been subdued and arrested much faster and with less force.
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I think this officer will be on desk duty until the bad press blows over, then he'll be back on the road. The real concern to me in this video is why the officer's female partner did nothing. If I was a supervisor, SHE would be on desk duty. The male officer could have been injured in that fight and she did nothing. And if she'd helped, that suspect could have been subdued and arrested much faster and with less force.

Ok, that makes more sense. Like you said maybe it came across as police brutality to me because Im not a cop, so from a cops point of view it makes more sense. Thanks for the insight.

Agreed on the female cop. She didnt do much asides from radio for backup.
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Cops should be allowed to beatdown all mentally ill people.

In all seriousness though, if his partner wasn't just standing there it could have been over quicker and with less violence. WAPCE.
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Same here. I almost came with a video. Then the title changed.
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I don't know about the bare chest ordinance. But in a place where people are wearing long sleeves and coats a guy with his sweatshirt unzipped is certainly something for an officer to scratch his head at. Definitely Reasonable Suspicion to stop and talk with the guy. Who knows what he said once the officers approached him.

See below for my thoughts on the force. I don't think the male officer overreacted at all. I think he was judicious in his use of force.



1) No, we don't know why the officers confronted the man. Like I said, from the seconds of the video before police arrive, he looked to me to be on drugs. His mannerisms and the unzipped shirt (in apparently cool weather - he had pants and a sweatshirt, the officers and passerby were similarly dressed) lead me to think something was off with him. Robbing banks? No. Disorderly, drunk, mentally ill? Possibly/probably. Who waits right on the curb like that to cross? I don't. I don't think I've ever seen many people do that.

2) This is in NO WAY like police raiding the wrong apartment and shooting an unarmed man.

3) It can be very hard to tell the difference between mentally ill and intoxicated on drugs or alcohol in a brief encounter, or at the outset of an encounter. And remember, mentally ill people use/abuse drugs/alcohol too.

4) You probably don't recognize passive resisting because you're not a cop. Actually, you do recognize it, and you wrote that you did: I've arrested countless people who've resisted just like this guy did. Hands up, staring at you, refusing to comply with lawful commands.


Let me break the video down for you, from my point of view, having been in fights like this countless times:
If you watch, when the officer tries to put the suspect on the hood, the suspect actually goes left, towards the driver's door (an officer wouldn't go that way, he's aiming the guy towards the hood, to bend him over and get him off balance and leaning on the hood), and then the officer redirects him towards teh hood, and you can see the suspect's hands pushing on the mirror, spinning himself so his right side's against the fender, and not his front. This is a bad situation for the officer to be in, right up against the suspect, with the suspect facing him.

At this point the suspect has tried to go in a direction other than that direct by the officer, and is now turning towards the officer. The officer tries to take him to the ground with a poorly executed arm-bar take down. Ideally it'd result in the suspect landing on his stomach. But the suspect twists as he falls, and lands on his side, again with the officer face to face. Again, this is passive resistance, he's refusing to go the direction the officer is making him go.

Now the officer is on top of him, and the suspect is balling up. Presumably the officer is ordering him to get on his stomach (because that's how we're trained), and the guy is refusing. The officer delivers 2 strikes to the suspect's upper torso or head (strikes we're trained to deliver as distractionary strikes to momentarily stun the suspect so we can gain control). The suspect still stays in the balled up, face up position.

The officer draws his baton and delivers 3 strikes (the first swing you see is the officer extending the baton, and is not a strike). Each strike is seconds apart, and the officer is again probably ordering the suspect to 'stop resisting, get on his stomach, put his hands behind his back). These strikes are textbook, aiming for the thigh area. What I see is the officer giving commands, then striking once. The suspect fails to comply, the officer is giving commands, and striking again. And a third time.

Then the suspect GETS UP. This is an act of resisting arrest, and of aggression. The suspect is getting into an aggressive posture. He stands up, and pushes against the officer's hand on his chest, facing the officer. He's not trying to run, he's not trying to let the officer arrest him. He's going face to face with the officer.

The officer pushes the suspect towards the cruiser, if you watch close, you see the officer tries to spin the suspect face down onto the hood. The suspect resists this, and stands up, again facing the officer. The officer delivers one strike to the suspect's thigh.

*A note about these strikes - they hurt. BAD. Like a charlie horse times 100. And this suspect is not phased. At first I said he looked like he was on drugs. The article says he is schizophrenic. That's worse. Mentally ill people can sometimes feel very little pain, and it is clear this suspect isn't really responding to the strikes.*

Now the officer holds the suspect still. I think he's waiting for backup, and knows it's close. He can probably hear the sirens.

He tries for another take down, and the suspect runs out of it (one way to beat a poorly executed arm-bar take down is to keep running). The officer didn't yank the suspect's arm to the side. If he had, he'd have thrown the suspect off balance, and THEN you start the forward motion, pushing the arm down and pulling to you at the same time. The two directions cause the suspect to stumble, you keep running and down they go. This officer just went with the forward motion.

The suspect gets/stays up and the officer strikes him again. One time. He tries for one more take down as backup arrives, the suspect doesn't go down, and backup takes him into custody.

Now, we've seen 2 punches, and 5 baton strikes. That is NOT a lot. The video, from start until he's in custody is 1minute, 12 seconds long. So 7 total strikes in 1:12. That's like 1 every 10 seconds. NOT a lot. I timed the video, and I was apparently wrong, it's not sped up.

The one time I've used my baton I probably hit the suspect 10-15 times in the thigh as fast as I could swing. And he still kept fighting. And it lasted a LOT less than 1:12.

I think this officer will be on desk duty until the bad press blows over, then he'll be back on the road. The real concern to me in this video is why the officer's female partner did nothing. If I was a supervisor, SHE would be on desk duty. The male officer could have been injured in that fight and she did nothing. And if she'd helped, that suspect could have been subdued and arrested much faster and with less force.
Here, let me help:

1) The guy is a mentally ill man well-known in that area. All he does is walk around there. Take walks. Period. Day in, day out. Day, night. Just walk to pass his time.

2) The female officer ordered the man to open his sweatshirt. You can see him open it and turn side to side following her commands.

3) While he was complying with the order, the male officer attacked him. During the attack, he suffered a detached retina.

4) When the other officers arrived, they were able to cuff him WITHOUT incident.

5) The female officer wasn't useless. She wasn't participating in an unlawful, savage beating.

6) The male officer filed false charges.

There are a bunch of good articles on this (just google Passaic and the guy's name and choose what you want to read), but I figured it would be interesting to see who wrote what. Surprisingly, it was "Good policework!" A "restrained and appropriate use of force!"

"There are two sides to this story, so I will concoct a scenario in which the 'perp' must have done something wrong that we didn't see and that the lady cop was simply useless."

Oh, the media is biased and lying.

Your use of the word "fight" to describe this is honestly disgusting. I'm not saying that because I think you're a jerk, but it was the feeling I got when I read that. I doubt you would ever get involved with something like this in your work life, but jesus, can cops EVER say, "boy, that was wrong"? Even when that poor ******* got shot on the BART, it was, "well, we don't have the facts".

Here's a fact, people think cops cover for each other and this post helping that stereotype. You didn't even bother to read anything about this. You spent a ton of time concocting this elaborate scenario and analysis instead of trying to fact gather.

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mentally disabled people are fairly easy to identify after a few moments of interaction

if this cop couldn't see that this person was an EDP, then I call his judgment into question and he probably shouldn't be patrolling the streets with a gun and a 'do-anything-you-want' badge.
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