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Old 07-30-2016, 05:23 PM   #1
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OMGHi2U Kosts Car shopping thread #2 Reviews, Discussion, and Discord (Now with less BRZ!)

Alright, it might be that time again...

At the beginning of the month, I decided to star car shopping again. I've grown unhappy with the BRZ in a few ways and feel like I'm at the point where I have to decide to either spend even more money on the BRZ (for more power) or find a more practical vehicle that has everything already and doesn't need upgrading.

I'm personally budgeting around $40,000 but I can go a little up or down, and focusing on new cars not used. Gas mileage is irrelevant (don't drive much) and >300hp is preferred, but feel free to discuss ANYTHING in this thread!


The first car I looked at was the Chevy SS. 415hp LS3 engine with a manual transmission in a ~4000lbs RWD sedan chassis built in Australia:





REVIEW:

Test drove the manual transmission first. The shifter action was OK but the clutch throw is long, yet accurate. Power and exhaust note are AMAZING with the dual mode exhaust! The SS also handles VERY well, doesn't feel like as big of a car as it is. It puts the power down better than a V8 RWD car should, most people compare it to an older M5 circa 2001. I drove an automatic a little later, and was not as impressed with the auto. I would have to have this car in a stick for sure.

The interior is upscale Chevy, almost as good as Cadillacs IMO but more basic. The seats are very comfortable but lack lateral support. The rear seat space is quite cavernous, as is the trunk. Forward visibility is extremely good, rear visibility is OK.

This car comes FULLY equipped! Everything is on this car standard, from nav to cooled seats to GM's magnetic ride. It also has a big upside in that its a VERY rare car (only ~2000 sold a year in the US) and will have good resale value down the road (a manual will probably still be worth $30k in 3-4 years time, maybe eventually go UP in value when V8's go the way of the dinosaur).

The main reason I looked at this car was because at the end of June/beginning of July Chevy had 20% off of the SS! It was too soon for me the first time I looked, but by the end of that week I was looking more seriously... However a stop-sale on July 7th due to a recall ended that sale campaign and prevented lots of customers from being able to purchased one! I've been in communication with dealers to find out if the 20% off will be extended when the stop-sale is over (probably going to last until October) but it doesn't look like it... Without the 20% off (or at least 15% off) this car is probably out of my price range.


Another car I've looked into is the Focus RS:



Obviously, I haven't driven one, but I did ALMOST buy a Focus ST. I'm quite familiar with the interior, seats, and general layout of the car.

The RS is a good option for something more practical and yet faster than the BRZ, plus it doesn't NEED anything at all. Its plenty good stock, and out of everything I'm looking at has my favorite seats (I really like the Recaros). The ride is probably not much better than my BRZ (kind of want a better ride due to my bad back) but the price is right and its gonna be quick.

The downside to the Focus is that its a Focus. They are a dime a dozen outside of the RS model, and have some issues that we already know about (rear engine mounts for one). Its also almost impossible to find one right now and ADM's are hard to get around.


After doing a lot of research, I discovered the Dodge Charger is offered with 480hp for $40,000!




REVIEW:

This is a HUGE car! Its even longer and wider than the SS which is already a huge car. The engine itself is ginormous, and puts out just as big of power numbers! For $40,000 though this is the most power you can buy in a car.

The styling looks good with the Scat Pack because it uses the Hellcat front end, but the wheels and tires are smaller than the SRT or Hellcat (245's instead of 275's) and the brakes are slightly smaller with single piece rotors instead of two piece. Otherwise, the engine/transmission are identical.

The interior quality in terms of plastics is not that good... The seats however are the best seats other than the Focus RS or my BRZ that I've sat in in terms of bolstering. The seat materials with the optional Alcantara are also quite nice, and the other touch surfaces are good as well.

The infotainment system including the gauge cluster are probably the best of the $40k crowd. You can fiddle with all sorts of settings with the drivetrain plus show all sorts of gauges, every car should have this.

I didn't get to drive the Scat Pack, but I did drive a Challenger SRT and the engine/drivetrain combination is REALLY good! The 8-speed automatic is THE BEST automatic transmission I've ever used. It ****s absolutely seamlessly, and the shifting with the push buttons is EXTREMELY fast just like in a video game! I was VERY impressed with the drivetrain. If I do need to go with an automatic transmission, It would have to be this car.

I'm just not sure the charger would fit in the garage... LOL!


Sadly, I'm also looking at the STI...




REVIEW:

I know I know, this is OT and I don't vape, but its still a practical car with power for the price range I'm looking at. The STI really doesn't NEED anything (other than the optional exhaust and short shifter). Its got the brakes, tires, suspension, everything right out of the bat.

The biggest reason I looked at the STI was that during the track day I had with the BRZ, a STOCK STI kept blowing past me and I was only marginally faster in the corners. I had to know how this car felt, so during my test drive I did push it quite a bit...

...and I was impressed. I have driven an STI or Spec-B or two before, but this STI feels far more composed and easy to push hard. The steering is on par with the BRZ for feel, and the power feels just as fast as the SS or the SRT (looking at the numbers it actually is up until 100mph plus) even with the old engine. The engine also felt quite good and I didnt notice the turbo lag like I have in other turbo cars, but maybe thats cause I'm used to driving the BRZ at higher RPMS and thats where this engine likes to live.

The interior, isn't as fully equipped as the other cars I've looked at. But the materials were better than the Charger and Focus but not as good as the Chevy SS. The seats felt better than previous STI's, but the seating position is WAY too high. This car needs the old JDM seats that sat low and gripped your thighs much better. The shifter also felt too far from the wheel (again the BRZ is perfect with this) and I could feel a little body roll.

Overall, I was surprisingly impressed with the STI... And if there was a series.yellow announcement tomorrow, I would drive back to the dealer and put in an order.


There are also a couple other cars I've looked at...

2017 Ford Fusion Sport with the 2.7L turbocharged engine with 380ftlbs!



REVIEW:

I test drove this car out of pure curiosity. I saw a couple of them arrived this last week, so I swung by to take a long look (along with talk about the Focus RS). This is a POWERFUL engine in such a normal car, so much so that it sounds interesting, but in reality... Its not.

I was horribly disappointed in this car. Its pretty much a normal Fusion with a big engine. Drove like an old Forester XT with a 4EAT. Transmission was constantly hunting for gears, body roll was all over the place, didnt like to drive on-center at all. Just felt like a normal car...

Until you stepped on the gas. Then you hear a GREAT engine note (mostly intake noise) and the car just pulls. Its a REALLY good motor in a so-so car.

This car needs an ST package with upgraded suspension and brakes, with good tires and a better transmission. But I doubt that will happen, better off with the Focus RS for this price range.


MINI Clubman S



REVIEW:

Again, test drove this car out of curiosity. Its a manual transmission AWD wagon. Can't even get an Impreza wagon anymore, so I had to give it a shot.

But, the shifter/clutch action is HORRIBLE and it just was a horrible experience trying to drive this car. It needs the automatic. I drove a JCW before and almost bought one, but that car drove tight and did everything right other than the interior falling apart, while this clubman was the total opposite... Good solid interior but drove like crap.

I was really disappointed too, because other than Porsche and other luxury high end cars, MINI is the only company to offer so much customization for their models. Its also obviously slower than my BRZ, which I can't stand. A JCW version might be better, but I won't be taking a second look at MINI's for awhile...


Anyway, so as it stands right now, I have a few options I'm considering:

1. Do nothing
2. More power in the BRZ (~$10,000+)
3. Trade in the BRZ, sell mods, buy a car...
3a. Buy the Chevy SS for the 20% off IF it ever pops up again
3b. Wait for a special edition STI
3c. Order a Scat Pack challenger with no options and not give a **** about handling ever again
3d. Order a Focus RS and maybe never actually get it

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Old 07-30-2016, 05:26 PM   #2
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Old 07-30-2016, 05:28 PM   #3
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Marauder seems right up your alley
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Old 07-30-2016, 05:29 PM   #4
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Didn't read, looked at pictures and now posting a response.

What about a Mustang GT? Probably can get a track edition Mustang GT <$40k

Also is a 335i in that price range?

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My only problem with the Charger is the lack of exciting colors. Where's the plum crazy and limelight? 4 shades of silver is not cool.
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SS. I wouldn't touch an FCA product.
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My only problem with the Charger is the lack of exciting colors. Where's the plum crazy and limelight? 4 shades of silver is not cool.
I see they are offering GoMango. I can accept that.
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i'm pretty happy with my RS, it's not at all hard to live with and it goes pretty well. it's not without it's problems but i can't think of anything that comes close to the performance for the money.

as you say though, you'll have a hard time getting one for 40k if at all.
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Old 07-30-2016, 05:37 PM   #9
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Marauder seems right up your alley
Its right up everyones alley
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Get the SS.
Honestly, I should have bought the blue one... But that was the first day I went shopping and I had no idea what I could do money wise and I would have screwed myself with the purchase.
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Didn't read, looked at pictures and now posting a response.

What about a Mustang GT? Probably can get a track edition Mustang GT <$40k

Also is a 335i in that price range?

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Mustang isn't any more practical than the BRZ, I would rather do the more-power-to-the-BRZ option than the Mustang.

However, if the Camaro had Mustang or BRZ visibility, I would consider it just because damn good car.
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My only problem with the Charger is the lack of exciting colors. Where's the plum crazy and limelight? 4 shades of silver is not cool.
The dark blue in that pic was hnnnnnnnnnnnnnng

They actually have quite a few good colors. But nothing like the Jungle Green for the Chevy SS:

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SS. I wouldn't touch an FCA product.
I thought that too, I've heard they have rust issues with the Charger... But man, that auto transmission and all its fancy gizmos makes all the FCA crap worth it.
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Best bet is the SS I think.
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I read this is the last year of the SS, so last chance to own new. Everything else has years to go and will be available when/if you get tired of the SS. I wish I could make a case, to myself, for the SS I just don't live where I could enjoy it nor take many road trips where it would be a great companion, aside from the MPG's. Not to mention I'm just generally uncomfortable in big cars
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OMG! Three shades of green on the SS? Why have I not played with the configurator before?
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I read this is the last year of the SS, so last chance to own new. Everything else has years to go and will be available when/if you get tired of the SS. I wish I could make a case, to myself, for the SS I just don't live where I could enjoy it nor take many road trips where it would be a great companion, aside from the MPG's. Not to mention I'm just generally uncomfortable in big cars
2017 models are coming and those will be the last. There will probably be a 2016 blowout sale early next year.

If you are uncomfortable with big cars, I recommend trying the SS.
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OMG! Three shades of green on the SS? Why have I not played with the configurator before?


I saw the dark green in person, didn't like it. The other green looks like rental car green. The Jungle Green is the absurd color option, which of the three I would actually consider
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Ok, I dig that you can order the Holden center caps as well. Get the SS in a stupid color.
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Ok, I dig that you can order the Holden center caps as well. Get the SS in a stupid color.
You can also order the Holden badges/grill too. And blacked out fender vents.
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You can also order the Holden badges/grill too. And blacked out fender vents.
I blacked out all the things, plus all the stripes.

Do eeet. Get the Ess Ess.



I kinda like the Peacock Green with the chrome. Looks classy.

Edit: Too bad Chevy does not show you your changes as you apply them.

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**** your budget
buy this

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...8219/overview/


and do not buy a chrysler anything
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Some video reviews I've been watching that are rather informative...

Chevy SS vs. old M5 review, where the dude from MT falls in love with the SS:


Also note the track times at the end... the 2014 was faster, but the 2016 is more comfy. The STI is also listed on the track times and is faster than the SS.

Speaking of the STI, lets compare Motorweek reviews of the SS and STI:


Here is the 392 SRT Challenger like I drove, same drivetrain as the Scat Pack Charger:

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I blacked out all the things, plus all the stripes.

Do eeet. Get the Ess Ess.



I kinda like the Peacock Green with the chrome. Looks classy.


That green is just meh to me... Its barely green at all. Plus, I've already had TWO green Imprezas lol
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https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...8219/overview/

and do not buy a chrysler anything
I saw that car in the dealer... It was marked like $160,000 or something stupid.

If I was going out of my budget, I'd get a Hellcat. Then I'd sell it for twice what I paid for it in 10 years time
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Since they offer stupid green I would go that route. The dark green is nice if they were not offering the stupid green. Stupid green with blackout all the things and Holden badges... Hrrrrnnnngggg
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2017 models are coming and those will be the last. There will probably be a 2016 blowout sale early next year.
Right, my mind is already in next year reading all of the "New Car" issues of various mags
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there was one of those at the dealer where i bought my rs. it was 2k over msrp iirc. white with blue stripes, good looking car.
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