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Old 03-18-2013, 02:17 PM   #4001
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It's not Oly knowledge, it's CF knowledge in this case. Some wods at our gym, that'd count. Here, it wouldn't, as the standards explained pre-wod said so.
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Old 03-18-2013, 02:24 PM   #4002
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It's not Oly knowledge, it's CF knowledge in this case. Some wods at our gym, that'd count. Here, it wouldn't, as the standards explained pre-wod said so.
I think he just meant that he called a snatch a "clean"
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Old 03-18-2013, 02:35 PM   #4003
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It's not Oly knowledge, it's CF knowledge in this case. Some wods at our gym, that'd count. Here, it wouldn't, as the standards explained pre-wod said so.
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Technically power snatches but "ground to overhead" accepted
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Old 03-18-2013, 02:41 PM   #4004
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You can clean and jerk or clean + push press. Those were essentially your best options or if you're just a shoulder beast and have weak legs, you could strict press and save your legs for the box jumps/deads
115 lbs X 5 overhead press - I would go strict. Pretty much warm-up weight. Deadlifts - damn near straight leg 'em. Again, very light. Box jumps - have an AED on standby after 10 reps.
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Old 03-18-2013, 02:47 PM   #4005
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115 lbs X 5 overhead press - I would go strict. Pretty much warm-up weight. Deadlifts - damn near straight leg 'em. Again, very light. Box jumps - have an AED on standby after 10 reps.
It's a real animal that can strict press 115 on the 6th plus round in a workout like this. You can cycle push presses nearly as quickly and it is a whole lot less taxing on your shoulders, which are getting used on the box jump takeoff too. My lower spinal erectors get burning as my form goes south and I start straight legging a lot of light/high rep deadlifts.

BTW to rave about my kick ass wife (again). She got a 240 jumping every rep. Tried again with stepping yesterday (she was an old school step aerobics maniac) and racked off a 295. Wanted 10 rounds (300) SO bad but couldn't quite keep the round/minute pace on the last 2 rounds.
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Old 03-18-2013, 02:51 PM   #4006
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It's a real animal that can strict press 115 on the 6th plus round in a workout like this. You can cycle push presses nearly as quickly and it is a whole lot less taxing on your shoulders, which are getting used on the box jump too
B'ah, I'm out after the first round drinking a beer and checking out the bouncing babes. Hell, I might squeeze a few other rounds in between chugging an oatmeal stout or two. Figure if I worked hard, 3 rounds would be doable.
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:29 PM   #4007
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don't know if this is a joke or not but :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exbF8Gu6Cb0
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Old 03-18-2013, 08:07 PM   #4009
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don't know if this is a joke or not but :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exbF8Gu6Cb0
This has to be a joke.
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Old 03-18-2013, 08:22 PM   #4010
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It's a real animal that can strict press 115 on the 6th plus round in a workout like this. You can cycle push presses nearly as quickly and it is a whole lot less taxing on your shoulders, which are getting used on the box jump takeoff too. My lower spinal erectors get burning as my form goes south and I start straight legging a lot of light/high rep deadlifts.

BTW to rave about my kick ass wife (again). She got a 240 jumping every rep. Tried again with stepping yesterday (she was an old school step aerobics maniac) and racked off a 295. Wanted 10 rounds (300) SO bad but couldn't quite keep the round/minute pace on the last 2 rounds.
295 is f'n awesome!!!! That really is something pretty damned cool. Tell Hammer she has some fans out there aside from Nails!
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Old 03-18-2013, 08:26 PM   #4011
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Old 03-18-2013, 11:44 PM   #4013
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don't know if this is a joke or not but :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exbF8Gu6Cb0
My back hurts watching that...
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Old 03-19-2013, 01:13 AM   #4014
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Golden got his hour of fame either way...well call it infamy
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Golden got his hour of fame either way...well call it infamy
You know what the sad part is? Last year he had quite a few articles about him hailing him as the next Froning. The guy has a serious engine and really did quite well for himself before this whole thing. I am willing to bet that he could have gotten a great score even by following the standards, he just got greedy and decided to cheat to get to the top.
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You know what the sad part is? Last year he had quite a few articles about him hailing him as the next Froning. The guy has a serious engine and really did quite well for himself before this whole thing. I am willing to bet that he could have gotten a great score even by following the standards, he just got greedy and decided to cheat to get to the top.
You know I have to blame his judge even more. I have judged at big competitions with a lot of money on the line, and it can be stressful. However you owe it to the athlete to be clear, accurate, and most importantly, understand exactly what the standards are and communicate this to the athlete before and if need be, during the workout. Particularly if its an athlete that may be vying for a top spot. After that first snatch got no repped, and he was forced to redo it, and after the first box jump or two you tell him "no rep Josh, open those hips at the top" he would adapt to the standards and goes on to complete a proper workout.
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Old 03-19-2013, 08:55 AM   #4017
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You know I have to blame his judge even more. I have judged at big competitions with a lot of money on the line, and it can be stressful. However you owe it to the athlete to be clear, accurate, and most importantly, understand exactly what the standards are and communicate this to the athlete before and if need be, during the workout. Particularly if its an athlete that may be vying for a top spot. After that first snatch got no repped, and he was forced to redo it, and after the first box jump or two you tell him "no rep Josh, open those hips at the top" he would adapt to the standards and goes on to complete a proper workout.
i agree which is why i think that it was a good choice by CFHQ to not only remove the score but also not allow that box and owner to validate anymore scores.

my guess is that the owner (who is a good friend with Golden) wanted Golden to be at the top so bad that he decided to take his chances.
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Old 03-19-2013, 09:25 AM   #4018
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Just for my education, can someone lay out the specific failures/lackings? My amateur eye sees:

Shoulder to overhead: doesn't start on the shoulders, he only brings it down to about his chin. Anything else?

Deadlift: doesn't look like he quite hits the full knee/hip extension.

Box jump: looking at his body on top, it never quite hits vertical, does that inherently mean you're not 'in control' at the top and able to fully open the knee/hips? It looks like, at times, you can see him trying to get that last little "pop," pushing the hips forward, but does he ever get it?
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Just for my education, can someone lay out the specific failures/lackings? My amateur eye sees:

Shoulder to overhead: doesn't start on the shoulders, he only brings it down to about his chin. Anything else?

Deadlift: doesn't look like he quite hits the full knee/hip extension.

Box jump: looking at his body on top, it never quite hits vertical, does that inherently mean you're not 'in control' at the top and able to fully open the knee/hips? It looks like, at times, you can see him trying to get that last little "pop," pushing the hips forward, but does he ever get it?
you pretty much got it. on the SOH, the bar must start from the rack position. on the box jump, you much show full control on top and have full extension, he never shows that and he simply jumps up and then jumps down.
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There is no denying Josh could have posted a good score for 13.2. I doubt his total would have been that much less than what he claimed while fulfilling all the requirements of the movements. His buddy, and judge, did him a huge disservice.

At the same time, this was Josh's second attempt at 13.2. The first attempt was also taped and my understanding was it wasn't any better in form & technique. I can't imagine that Josh did not review his first performance or even his second performance before or after submitting the video. Josh has the knowledge and experience to determine for himself if he did or did not meet the requirements for each exercise. He plainly considered his performance 'good enough.'

CF's ruling will serve as a wake-up call to other competitors, judges, and boxes. However, if folks are cutting corners they'll be smart enough not to video it now.

I wish powerlifting would come down on judges that make blatantly bad calls as hard as CF did on this one. It would really help clean up the sport of powerlifting.
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i did 13.2 yesterday on my own(the rest of the gym did a tabata and I hate tabatas). I felt ok until I got into it, and my legs simply died. I worked for the Forest Service on Saturday and me and 2 other guys fought a 10 acre fire on the side of a mountain by ourselves til we got more on scene. I did some warming up and they felt ok, but until I started pushing it in the workout, what energy was left in my legs was gone by round 2 or so, and between being fatigued and being frustrated because of tiring out quick, I just dropped my pace and ended up getting 4 rounds + 8 reps. the funny thing is that after I got finished, the owner says " oh btw, we are doing 13.2 tomorrow." Guess I'll have another go at it.
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Jeez, that video that was linked above was really not that egregious. It was tough to tell if he ever completely opened up his hips on the deadlift since it wasn't a side angle. He certainly didn't overextend but he came very close to open if not open.

The box jumps were close too. Hips looked open for the position he was in but he never fully stood, so he again was very close but not clear.

The shoulder to overhead. He had the issue with the snatch. The other reps did look good.

I only watched about 4 minutes before I got bored, so it's entirely possible my comments are crap because quality may have deteriorated even more.
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Old 03-19-2013, 11:40 AM   #4023
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The crap heads at my box are far more cut and dry on when they THINK they're meeting the standards and don't perform a single solid rep.

I posted this video on the box's wall for their benefit.
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The shoulder to overhead. He had the issue with the snatch. The other reps did look good.

Not really, what he did is chin to overhead and most of the reps did not touch the shoulders.
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Not really, what he did is chin to overhead and most of the reps did not touch the shoulders.
I didn't watch 13.2's standard. If the bar had to touch the chest/shoulders I get the no reps on what I watched. If the bar has to just come to that plane (like a hip crease would on a squat) then the reps I watched looked pretty good.
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