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Old 08-20-2010, 08:11 AM   #726
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I understand that, but you seem to have alot of misconceptions about CrossFit....alot of people do.
I don't have a lot of misconceptions concerning CrossFit. As with any program, there are some folks that are doing a much better job implementing the program than others. As CrossFit has gotten more popular, there are more problems surrounding it. Some political, some monetary, and some with the way the program works.

There are more efficient ways to train. However, they may not be as entertaining, varied, or as fun as CrossFit.
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Old 08-20-2010, 09:25 AM   #727
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I don't have a lot of misconceptions concerning CrossFit. As with any program, there are some folks that are doing a much better job implementing the program than others. As CrossFit has gotten more popular, there are more problems surrounding it. Some political, some monetary, and some with the way the program works.

There are more efficient ways to train. However, they may not be as entertaining, varied, or as fun as CrossFit.

I would not argue with any of the above statements, personally.

Just like in the martial arts community, the more popular a style becomes, the more people are looking to cash in on the popularity and the lower the *overall* quality of instruction becomes. This absolutely does NOT mean you can't find a good gym with good coaches - it might just take a little more work.

One of the things I like the most about the CrossFit "system" is that the friendly competition for time/reps/whatever of the WOD encourages you to push yourself further than perhaps you normally would.
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Regardless of the drama between others and crossfit or hq and affiliates. I Enjoy it, maybe i lucked out and got a good affiliate by me. But it has changed my diet and workout routine. Or as we say at our Box.
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well, in the last few posts, you've implied that there were things CrossFit didnt do. The opposite is true. There's also nothing wrong with the way the program works, if implemented properly. That's up to the trainer. Got one that's not that experienced, then I agree completely. But an experienced trainer will do CrossFit the way it's supposed to be.

And I disagree that there are more efficient ways to train. I agree there are regimens out there that are as good, but not better as a whole. Ive been lucky enough to see how CrossFit has affected such a broad range of athletes in our CrossFit group. We've got 2 marathon runners who will tell you that they've gotten better at what they do. We've also got 2 powerlifters who can testify that they've gotten stronger. Granted, they probably arent as strong as they could be if they were doing just powerlifting training, but they have gotten stronger, and are in better overall shape than they would be. Then you've got people like me who have done alot of different things, pushed big weight when we were younger, and now just care about being strong, yes, but overall, trying to be in the best shape we can be in.

There's a reason why many Marine bases have CrossFit groups(one of the local Marines here started a group at Parris Island), and why the Navy Seals do CrossFit, though a more demanding version of it, which is SealFit. It's still CrossFit at it's core though.
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Old 08-20-2010, 10:26 AM   #730
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I would not argue with any of the above statements, personally.

Just like in the martial arts community, the more popular a style becomes, the more people are looking to cash in on the popularity and the lower the *overall* quality of instruction becomes. This absolutely does NOT mean you can't find a good gym with good coaches - it might just take a little more work.

One of the things I like the most about the CrossFit "system" is that the friendly competition for time/reps/whatever of the WOD encourages you to push yourself further than perhaps you normally would.
I agree.

If I had to pick the ONE thing that makes CrossFit work so well...it's the interaction. I wouldn't like working out if I simply went to the gym on my own and lifted and then went home. With CrossFit I get LOTS of workout buddies each day pushing me and each other, emailing or calling when we skip out, congratulating when we reach new levels, etc. That is by far the best fitness motivator for me and lots of others.
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Old 08-24-2010, 10:58 AM   #731
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Well I did my first crossfit WOD at the local spot. I got through 4 of the 7 cycles before feeling like I was gonna puke.

38 years old
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Here's to hoping it gets more tolerable.
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Old 08-24-2010, 11:02 AM   #732
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Neek, it'll suck more before it gets better. LOL

What was your first WOD?

The WOD for my local box today is:

Front Squat 5.5.5.5.5

Followed by:

21.15.9

SDHP

400m Run

So, a 400m run at the end of each round of SDHPs. Might start the workout with a 400-800m run, too.
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Old 08-24-2010, 11:18 AM   #733
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It was:

200m run
7 pullups
7 toe to bar
7 power jerks (65#)

Supposed to do 7 rounds and some bitch did it in almost 21:00 flat. **** her.
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Old 08-24-2010, 11:25 AM   #734
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It was:

200m run
7 pullups
7 toe to bar
7 power jerks (65#)

Supposed to do 7 rounds and some bitch did it in almost 21:00 flat. **** her.

LOL...

wait til you enjoy things like "Fight Gone Bad" or "Linda" or "Filthy 50"

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We've also got 2 powerlifters who can testify that they've gotten stronger. Granted, they probably arent as strong as they could be if they were doing just powerlifting training, but they have gotten stronger, and are in better overall shape than they would be.
What powerlifter got stronger doing crossfit?
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Local box's WOD for today, in case anyone wants to have at it. No equipement needed except for a chinup bar....

800m Run

Rest 3 min

800m Run

With clock continuing to run subtract 3 min from total time, and do that many rounds of Cindy. Clock stops when the last round of Cindy is completed.

1 rnd of Cindy:

5 Pull-ups

10 Push-ups

15 Squats
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Local box's WOD for today, in case anyone wants to have at it. No equipement needed except for a chinup bar....

800m Run

Rest 3 min

800m Run

With clock continuing to run subtract 3 min from total time, and do that many rounds of Cindy. Clock stops when the last round of Cindy is completed.

1 rnd of Cindy:

5 Pull-ups

10 Push-ups

15 Squats
Nice...I like that one...makes you really want to bring your run time down...
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Me.

I powerlifted 95 shoulder press when I started doing Crossfit. I now max out at 145lbs.

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Yesterdays wod was

Run 1 mile

rest 5 min

Run 1 mile

my time was

7:33 first run (new PR by :50, i feel i can get into the 6's)
8:26 second run

Im not much of a runner, but im happy with BOTH times as they were both faster than my old PR of 8:32

I think they're getting us ready for the 5K Cancer run....
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Congrats on beating the old PR by a MILE, Prevent! (pun intended)

Nice work, my friend.
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I powerlifted 95 shoulder press when I started doing Crossfit. I now max out at 145lbs.

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21 > 15 > 9

135 push press
dips
burpies
row (row for calories)

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well, if I called them by name, I highly doubt you would know them.

But when I said powerlifter, I dont mean they compete, I just mean that's what their workouts have consisted of. Granted, they gear their CrossFit more on the strength side, but according to them, they've seen gains.




Also, just started back at doing a SealFit WOD a day or two a week. I love the heightened(meaning a little more than a CrossFit WOD) sense of accomplishment you get when finishing a SealFit WOD.


Here is what we did yesterday:

Warm Up: 1 mile run @ moderate pace. ROM drills

Strength: Work to 3RM Bench Press

Stamina: 4 Rounds, not timed: 4 x BP @ 90% 3 RM, 2 x rope ascent, Buddy Carry

Work Capacity: MF Curtis P:

* 100 Curtis P for time (105#)
* 400 M run @ each 25 reps

Durability: 1 mile cool down run. Yoga or active stretch 10 minutes

It took us about 1 hour and 10 minutes. The strength and stamina portions at up the time, but that's ok.
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well, in the last few posts, you've implied that there were things CrossFit didnt do. The opposite is true. There's also nothing wrong with the way the program works, if implemented properly. That's up to the trainer. Got one that's not that experienced, then I agree completely. But an experienced trainer will do CrossFit the way it's supposed to be.

And I disagree that there are more efficient ways to train. I agree there are regimens out there that are as good, but not better as a whole. Ive been lucky enough to see how CrossFit has affected such a broad range of athletes in our CrossFit group. We've got 2 marathon runners who will tell you that they've gotten better at what they do. We've also got 2 powerlifters who can testify that they've gotten stronger. Granted, they probably arent as strong as they could be if they were doing just powerlifting training, but they have gotten stronger, and are in better overall shape than they would be. Then you've got people like me who have done alot of different things, pushed big weight when we were younger, and now just care about being strong, yes, but overall, trying to be in the best shape we can be in.

There's a reason why many Marine bases have CrossFit groups(one of the local Marines here started a group at Parris Island), and why the Navy Seals do CrossFit, though a more demanding version of it, which is SealFit. It's still CrossFit at it's core though.
There are a lot of things CrossFit does not do. CrossFit is a 'Jack-of-all-Trades/Master-of-None' type of program. For general fitness, it works. For sport specific training, it is inefficient and poorly programmed. Trying to cram max effort lifts, mile runs, stamina, work capacity, and sprints into one training session is not an example of a well thought out training session.

How does the max effort bench lifts relate to any of the other exercises in the workout? Where is the accessory work necessary to build a solid foundation in the bench?

I don't know any powerlifters that use CrossFit to increase their lifts. Nor do I know any gymnasts utilizing CrossFit or football players using CrossFit. Granted I don't know any pro's that are currently playing. Just some guys that have their glory days on the field and have moved on to other things. I know a couple high school players and some guys playing for some of the smaller local colleges. Baseball players - don't really know any. Know a couple decent softball players going to school on scholarships. Not using CrossFit. Divers, swimmers - not using CrossFit.

My point is, and I'm beating this horse's carcass long after it has started to stink, CrossFit is a decent program for achieving a general level of fitness. It is not an efficient program to excel in any single athletic endeavor. For that you're going to need sport specific training. I also feel there are better, more efficient methods for reaching the same level of fitness achieved by CrossFit. I feel this way based on the studies and information I've read, people I've spoken with concerning training, and results from athletes participating in a myriad of different sports.

CrossFit is a fun and interesting way to get in shape. I don't deny that. But I still don't see much rhyme or reason into its programming, choice of exercises, or how those two are combined to create daily workouts.

I really wish just one CrossFitter had competed in the OT Feats of Strength Challenge. It would have the perfect time to showcase CrossFit's strengths...
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For sport specific training, it is inefficient and poorly programmed. Trying to cram max effort lifts, mile runs, stamina, work capacity, and sprints into one training session is not an example of a well thought out training session.
I'm not disagreeing with your logic and arguments...just wanted to point something out. You said "sport specific training" and I believe you are correct. Crossfit is more of "work/life specific training".

Based on your example for instance in a firefighter's world:

  • max effort lifts = picking some 300lb guy up out of a burning building
  • mile runs = having to run up stairs in an office building
  • stamina = everything they do
  • work capacity = more of everything they do
  • sprints = quick runs in and out of a fire


However, I digress since I'm not an expert in fitness, nor do I think you are trying to dissuade people away from CrossFit.
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I really wish just one CrossFitter had competed in the OT Feats of Strength Challenge. It would have the perfect time to showcase CrossFit's strengths...

I did...sort of...didn't really train specifically for it nor did I stay on top of it...but here you go:

Original post in that thread:

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Age = 34
Height = 5'9"
Weight = 152lbs
Body Fat % = 11%

Here's my current on these:

Bench Press = 195lbs
Standing Overhead Press = 135lbs
Box Jump for max height = no idea...but I do 36" box @ 30-50 reps all the time
Max Deadlift = 265lbs
315 Double OH barbell hold = NO IDEA WHAT THIS EVEN IS
Pullups = strict pullups max is 26
Ab wheel = no idea...never used one
400 meter run = under 2 minutes I know I can run it at 10mph at least once on the treadmill lol...usually do 400 meter intervals at 8.5mph.
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Age = 35
Height = 5'9"
Weight = 150lbs
Body Fat % = 8%

Here's my current on these:

Bench Press = 210lbs
Standing Overhead Press = 150lbs
Box Jump for max height = no idea...but I do 36" box @ 30-50 reps all the time (still didn't have a way to do max height...but I did to a 48" jump once and it was scary)
Max Deadlift = 265lbs (hasn't improved)
315 Double OH barbell hold = (32 seconds max)
Pullups = 28...although I'm trying to work on butterfly kipping at this point.
Ab wheel = no idea...never used one (still never used one...don't have one)
400 meter run = under 2 minutes I know I can run it at 10mph at least once on the treadmill lol...usually do 400 meter intervals at 8.5mph.
So not much of an improvement I guess...lol.
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I did...sort of...didn't really train specifically for it nor did I stay on top of it...but here you go:

So not much of an improvement I guess...lol.
I'm calling BS. You dropped two pounds and increased your bench and OHP by 15 lbs? I would call that a significant increase. I know you have a lot more in you on deadlifts. If you can hold 315 for 32 seconds, you don't have a grip problem. You just need to nut up and pull some damned weight. Nose bleeds, black outs, and bloody eyes are all acceptable.

I'm not trying to talk people out of CrossFit. As long as it isn't dangerous or counterproductive, train in the manner you want to train. For a lot of people CrossFit is the goal. They don't want to be strongest, or the fastest, or the hardest hitter, or whatever... because they don't make a living at any one sport. Instead, they just want to do better everyday at everything.

I've cluttered up this thread way, way too much. If y'all wanna harass me some more, bring it to the OT Fitness Thread.
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There are a lot of things CrossFit does not do. CrossFit is a 'Jack-of-all-Trades/Master-of-None' type of program. For general fitness, it works. For sport specific training, it is inefficient and poorly programmed. Trying to cram max effort lifts, mile runs, stamina, work capacity, and sprints into one training session is not an example of a well thought out training session.
yeah, Seal training is not well thought out at all

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How does the max effort bench lifts relate to any of the other exercises in the workout? Where is the accessory work necessary to build a solid foundation in the bench?
I see you come from the traditional lifting mentality where you break down workouts into specific muscle groups, where every exercise relates to that specific muscle group. Nothing wrong with that, but just because this program is not designed for that, doesnt make it wrong.


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My point is, and I'm beating this horse's carcass long after it has started to stink, CrossFit is a decent program for achieving a general level of fitness. It is not an efficient program to excel in any single athletic endeavor. For that you're going to need sport specific training. I also feel there are better, more efficient methods for reaching the same level of fitness achieved by CrossFit. I feel this way based on the studies and information I've read, people I've spoken with concerning training, and results from athletes participating in a myriad of different sports.
I see your point. If I wanted to hone by basketball skills, I wouldnt just do Crossfit and not pick up a basketball, right? However, where you are missing the point is that alot of athletes supplement skill building for a specific sport with things that increase overall endurance, strength, etc.

I mean take SealFit. Sure, they dont do SealFit style training to hone their marksmanship skills, specific survival skills, etc. , but they do this type stuff to get in the shape they need to be in, physically.

You named specific athletes that dont do Crossfit, but I could show you an example(sometimes multiple depending on the sport) that do use CrossFit. So now, where does that get us?

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yeah, let's compete in an online he-man contest where people are always honest. I mean after all, it is the internet, where no lie has ever been told. Wonderful idea. Plus, what would you have said if there were quite a few CrossFitters that were stronger in some areas than other conventional type lifters, which no doubt, there are?




I'm sorry but when some of the most physically fit people(Marines and Seals) use CrossFit style training, I tend to believe that it's one of the best programs to achieve a higher level of overall fitness. But we'll have to agree to disagree on this. I'm not saying this to offend you, but from someone who has been involved in multiple kinds of fitness and is now an avid CrossFitter, I can tell you based on your posts that alot of your ideas on CrossFit are simple misconceptions.
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I'm not disagreeing with your logic and arguments...just wanted to point something out. You said "sport specific training" and I believe you are correct. Crossfit is more of "work/life specific training".

Based on your example for instance in a firefighter's world:

  • max effort lifts = picking some 300lb guy up out of a burning building
  • mile runs = having to run up stairs in an office building
  • stamina = everything they do
  • work capacity = more of everything they do
  • sprints = quick runs in and out of a fire

great example. As a volunteer firefighter, I work with guys who are also on full-time departments. Everyone Ive talked to about their physical conditioning says it is very similar to CrossFit.
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Current:



So not much of an improvement I guess...lol.
yeah, but the thing is that if you really wanted to improve an area, you would tailor your workouts 2-3 times a week to improve that area. but some people arent that concerned with it and will just do the WODS. I'm more the opposite. Because I come from a lifting background, Ill tailor my workouts to be more strength oriented about 2 or 3 days a week.
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