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Old 09-28-2010, 02:44 PM   #776
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This is my little slice of hell today:

Ten rounds for time of:
135 pound Deadlift, 15 reps
15 push-ups

Probably follow it up with 15-20 mins on the row machine (depending on how long the WOD takes me).
Yea. This was no joke. It didnt sound bad at first, but my time said otherwise. 14:02. Push ups were easy. I felt better about my time after I did the math of total weight moved in 14 minutes for deadlifts. 20,250lbs

Todays a rest day according to crossfit.com, but I have a 10 miler coming up so its a 7 mile run day
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Old 09-28-2010, 02:57 PM   #777
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OK, so I have to beat 14 mins. Got it.

LOL

Deadlifts are tough for me to do quickly, though, since I'm paranoid about my form. We'll see how it goes...
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Old 09-28-2010, 03:03 PM   #778
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Yea 14:02 is your time to beat. OR you can try and beat Chris Spealler who posted a time of 6:45 on crossfit.com Even the girl who posted up had a time of 9:59 (95lb deadlift)

Considering the most I have ever deadlifted is 245lbs (I just got into weight training and crossfit and took it SERIOUSLY 3 months ago) Im still upbeat about this.

Let me know how it goes for you!
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Old 09-28-2010, 03:04 PM   #779
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Those guys on Crossfit.com are sick. Did you see the one dude that posted 455 for his FGB score? My score was 195.
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Honestly, IMO, there is no reason to do HSPU unless you're somewhere with no access to weight equipment. For me it is faster to work into OHPs using a rack than it is to do HSPUs.
Oh cool so I should do lat pulls downs instead of pullups too right?

You're wrong on this, try them both out.

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Those guys on Crossfit.com are sick. Did you see the one dude that posted 455 for his FGB score? My score was 195.
455 is definitely beastly.

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Those guys on Crossfit.com are sick. Did you see the one dude that posted 455 for his FGB score? My score was 195.

My best scored was 305.

Neek, I knew what Tabata's were...do Tabata Something Else a lot. Just wasn't sure what that one consisted of...sounds a lot like TSE. I also like the Tabata Drill music for your ipod. I think I posted it in this thread somewhere...but if not:

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Old 09-28-2010, 03:26 PM   #782
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Those guys on Crossfit.com are sick. Did you see the one dude that posted 455 for his FGB score? My score was 195.
Really? Your overall was 195? I had a 336 and was pretty pissed about that compared to the guys score of 455. My push press and row scores are what killed me.
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Really? Your overall was 195? I had a 336 and was pretty pissed about that compared to the guys score of 455. My push press and row scores are what killed me.
My problem is we don't have enough rowers, so we end up doing FGB subbing burpees for the rows. SUCKS!
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Oh cool so I should do lat pulls downs instead of pullups too right?

You're wrong on this, try them both out...
Strict pull-ups or kipping pull-ups?

Explain to me what muscles/muscle groups are worked by HSPU that wouldn't be worked by OHP, please.




@stibowen - Yeah, my total was 195. First time doing a FGB (and first time ever doing wall balls) and I had been sick with a cold the week prior. I have no doubt I could score higher, but almost certainly still below 300.
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My problem is we don't have enough rowers, so we end up doing FGB subbing burpees for the rows. SUCKS!
Yea. That does not sound like it would even be fair for a substitution!
That would definately kill me! I went 14/12/14 for the row calories, so I probably would have done the same or less for burpees! Less>More is my bet!

Uh as far as pullups go, if you ever make it to a Level 1 Certification class and Boz or Pat Sherwood are the head instructors, they will tell you that the only way to improve a dead hang pull up is by doing massive amounts of kipping pullups and jumping pullups. Fact.

Or you can try whats been preached to us military folks and try to tier your dead hang pullups (theory of this sounds good, reality is that it doesnt benefit you much).

Doing lat pull downs are great for your back, but in terms of improving your pull ups you would have to be doing them well over your body weight considering you are seated on the machine and your legs are locked in giving you an advantage when you pull the weight to your chest. Kipping>Jumping>Lat Pull Downs.
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Strict pull-ups or kipping pull-ups?

Explain to me what muscles/muscle groups are worked by HSPU that wouldn't be worked by OHP, please.
Have you tried a HSPU? If they don't feel any different to you then no amount of "which muscles" is going to resolve this debate. For someone who just did their first wallballs you sure do know a lot about crossfit eh? Look if the workout prescribes HSPU but you think the coaches don't know what they're doing and want to do OHP instead then go for it.
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Fantastic non-answer, Dragon.

Yes, I've done HSPU. Of course they feel different, you're upside down! I'm speaking of HSPU against the wall, not free-standing HSPUs, BTW. So, I've answered you, care to answer my question?

Look, dickhead, I work out of town M-F. I don't have access to a facility that allows me to do wallballs. I go to my local "box" on Sat AMs, only. This past Saturady was the first time we've done wallballs since I started. What, exactly, does that have to do with knowledge about excercise or fitness? Nice strawman argument, though.

I never said that I don't think the coaches know what they're doing. Maybe they prescribe HSPUs because more people in the class can do them at a given time? I have NFI.

So, since you're so brilliant, and I'm such a cretin, please explain to me (use small words, I'm a dummy) what muscles/muscle groups are addressed by HSPU that aren't by OHP. Thanks.
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HSPU and OHP are way different. Lots and lots of core are involved with a HSPU. Yea, they are both "pushing/pressing" movements, but not nearly as much of your core is tapped with an OHP as it is with an HSPU. You have the ability to cheat when you really have to with an OHP by using your legs. No cheating with a HSPU.

EDIT: Even if you are leaning against the wall, if you have a weak core your body will tend to bend out which can limit the amount of reps you can complete before your legs fall away from the wall. It taps more of your strength than you would think just by trying to stay against the wall.
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btw, my best weighted pullup at this point is 110lbs. I weigh 151.
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OHP = straight legs. How do you cheat?
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Yes, I've done HSPU. Of course they feel different, you're upside down
So being upside down was the only difference you noticed? You didn't notice the difference in muscle recruitment required to keep your legs up? You didn't notice that your bodyweight isn't static like a barbell as you raise and lower it from the ground?

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They might prescribe HSPU instead of OHP because of a lack of equipment yet 2 of the last 3 prescribed WODs included one barbell or more? Oh wait, on the 23rd they prescribed Shoulder presses..but but..


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Lean back and recruit your chest.
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have your arms spread out too far.
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Everyone has done it at one time or another to get that last rep! An overhead press eventually turns into a push press in the fight to get 1 more rep! It happens. No one should call you out on it because everyone is guilty. Regardless, an OHP turning into a PP is still benefitting you in one way another! In the end, by doing a PP to get that last rep is only going to set you up for success in the future for doing the same exercise. Its a win/win IMHO.
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...EDIT: Even if you are leaning against the wall, if you have a weak core your body will tend to bend out which can limit the amount of reps you can complete before your legs fall away from the wall. It taps more of your strength than you would think just by trying to stay against the wall.

I don't feel it, but OK.
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I don't feel it, but OK.
Well if you dont feel a strain in your abdominals/back and you arent falling from the wall then its time to move away from the wall and do HSPU's unassisted. No band, no wall, no partner.
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So being upside down was the only difference you noticed? You didn't notice the difference in muscle recruitment required to keep your legs up?
Sure, slightly, but certainly not enough to "feel it" the next day, etc.

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They might prescribe HSPU instead of OHP because of a lack of equipment yet 2 of the last 3 prescribed WODs included one barbell or more? Oh wait, on the 23rd they prescribed Shoulder presses..but but..
Oh, so you are just actually a dickhead? I thought you were simply getting feisty with Tim earlier in the thread, but this appears to simply be your personality. Cool.

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Well if you dont feel a strain in your abdominals/back and you arent falling from the wall then its time to move away from the wall and do HSPU's unassisted. No band, no wall, no partner.

LOL Yeah, my balance is crap, I can't do free-standing handstands, so that's a no-go.
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Your balance is crap but holding ~5ft of weighted body rigid while you do a HSPU only feels slightly different than pressing a barbell above your head?

p.s. I prefer ahole and have no idea who Tim is.
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Hey guys, can somebody point me in the direction of this workout blueprint? I'd like to see how I stack up. Thanks.
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Hey guys, can somebody point me in the direction of this workout blueprint? I'd like to see how I stack up. Thanks.
Are you saying you would like to see how you do with Hand Stand Push Ups? If so...

http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/C...Variations.wmv
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