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Old 05-17-2011, 06:37 PM   #1626
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I am still learning disabled with olympic lifts, but I appear to be getting better. 135 for the clean and jerk - the squat is my limiting factor. I felt strong everywhere else in the move, except there.

The Squat Snatch...well, since the overhead snatch is part of it, I suck. I was able to work up to 50lbs. I probably could have worked higher, given more time, but started too high, had to drop down and work on form, and then work back up. The OHS really frustrates me.
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I am still learning disabled with olympic lifts, but I appear to be getting better. 135 for the clean and jerk - the squat is my limiting factor. I felt strong everywhere else in the move, except there.

The Squat Snatch...well, since the overhead snatch is part of it, I suck. I was able to work up to 50lbs. I probably could have worked higher, given more time, but started too high, had to drop down and work on form, and then work back up. The OHS really frustrates me.
You really shouldn't be doing a full squat on the c&j...just a dip to get the momentum going back upward for the jerk...even the "drop" after to get under the bar isn't a full squat.

All that said...the best I've ever done on a c&j is a 1rm of 145lbs.
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You really shouldn't be doing a full squat on the c&j...just a dip to get the momentum going back upward for the jerk...even the "drop" after to get under the bar isn't a full squat.

All that said...the best I've ever done on a c&j is a 1rm of 145lbs.
Really? They had us coming from the ground, catching in the front rack, doing a full front squat, and ending in front rack, then reposition feet, and hit the jerk.
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Old 05-17-2011, 09:05 PM   #1629
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When performed strictly, a clean and Jerk is a full squat clean, followed by a jerk. It's for max weight, and if you have proper form you will never power clean as much as you can clean with a full squat.. For something like Grace, which is 30 reps of Clean and Jerk, they don't specify, but they allow you to power clean it because it's only 135 lbs which is not all that heavy for a clean so most Rx ready Crossfitters would be able to power clean them. However when done for PR weights, a clean and jerk would require a full squat.
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Hmmm...interesting. I always thought it was just a power clean not squat clean. I would think a power clean would be easier than a squat clean.
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Old 05-17-2011, 09:18 PM   #1631
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It seems that way, but once weights get big, if your form is right, you can squat clean more than you can power clean.

Essentially, you don't have to muscle the weight as high. With a speedy drop under the bar you can get a lot more weight onto your rack position and then front squat it up without trying to muscle it all the way up to a near standing rack position. Oly lifters use power cleans as a developmental exercise but they can always lift more with a full squat and drive out of the hole than trying to power it up to a squat less than full depth
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Old 05-18-2011, 08:12 AM   #1632
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Neek is right....if a clean isnt labeled a power clean, it's always a squat clean. The gym owner and a few of us guys watched some some videos from the Olympics a few years ago. It's wild seeing 180lb guys C&Jing 500lbs.
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Old 05-18-2011, 01:41 PM   #1633
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in some gyms, it becomes a point of bragging. If you can power clean a certain weight up, you are most definitely stronger than if you have to squat clean it up. I was watching some vid from California Strength (great youtube channel btw http://www.youtube.com/user/CaliforniaStrength) and there was one where they were arguing if a lifter got it up as a power clean or if he dropped too far (at or below parallel femur) and couldn't count it as a power clean.
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Just ran into my old friend who is co-owner of the local CF gym, dare I call it a box. Said he would barter with me cause he's in need of a chiro. Hope to start in a couple weeks when we get back from vacation.
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Knew it was a matter of time. Enjoy!
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Just ran into my old friend who is co-owner of the local CF gym, dare I call it a box. Said he would barter with me cause he's in need of a chiro. Hope to start in a couple weeks when we get back from vacation.
Nice!

Time to tell him you want free for you and your wife, plus a free t-shirt.
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Nice!

Time to tell him you want free for you and your wife, plus a free t-shirt.
Funny, his wife said she wanted in on the deal.
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Old 05-18-2011, 02:01 PM   #1638
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So he wants to trade you rubbing his wife down for a membership to his gym. If she's hot you win/win!

yeah I know you're totally professional.

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So he wants to trade you rubbing his wife down for a membership to his gym. If she's hot you win/win!

yeah I know you're totally professional.

pics?
Face it, you want to be. I'm like a real doctor with 1/8th the liability and responsibility.

And it's called A.R.T. not a rub down.
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I did my own "Fran" workout this morning, I wasn't ready for a rest day yet so I decided to try my first crossfit workout. The thrusters were a bit harder than I gave them credit for, and my GOD it took me so long to finish my reps.

I'm a pretty good climber, and in decent shape. I can run a 10k in under an hour off the couch, boulder V7, climb 5.12b, but in this style of workout... i was in the 2nd percentile. The 2nd percentile. I hate the realization that I'm not in as good of shape as i thought. But at least I have another way to challenge myself.
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Neek I've also converted over to an almost complete Paleo diet. I still have a couple things I can't give up. Low fat peanut butter and skim milk.
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Face it, you want to be. I'm like a real doctor with 1/8th the liability and responsibility.

And it's called A.R.T. not a rub down.
Does that mean the happy ending is not even available?
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Neek I've also converted over to an almost complete Paleo diet. I still have a couple things I can't give up. Low fat peanut butter and skim milk.
The peanut butter isn't horrible, but if you can get used to almond butter, it's a great substitute. Skim milk isn't a big deal, but I'd rather see you use whole milk. I was just reading an article about skim milk. I know, Details, but it does source and quote some real articles:

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You probably spend all of one second deciding what kind of milk to put in your coffee. What's to debate? If you want to keep the pounds off and avoid heart disease, choose skim. This is gospel, after all: It's recommended by the USDA and has so permeated our thinking that you can't even find reduced-fat (2%) milk at places like Subway—and forget about whole.

But is it true? Let's start with the question of what's fattening. Whole milk contains more calories and, obviously, more fat. A cup has 146 calories and almost 8 grams of fat, reduced-fat (2%) has 122 calories and almost 5 grams of fat, low-fat (1%) has 103 calories and 2.5 grams of fat, and nonfat (skim) has 83 calories and virtually no fat.

But when it comes to losing weight, restricting calories has a poor track record. Evidence gleaned from numerous scientific studies says that if you starve yourself for lunch, you typically compensate at dinner. And according to a 2007 report in the Archives of Internal Medicine, telling overweight and obese patients to cut calories led to only "transient" weight loss—it didn't stay off. The same goes for cutting saturated fat. In 2003, the Cochrane Collaboration, a respected source for unbiased reviews of research, compared low-fat diets with low-calorie diets and found that "fat-restricted diets are no better than calorie-restricted diets in achieving long-term weight loss." As Walt Willet of the Harvard School of Public Health wrote in the American Journal of Medicine, "Diets high in fat do not appear to be the primary cause of the high prevalence of excess body fat in our society, and reductions in fat will not be a solution."

It's becoming widely accepted that fats actually curb your appetite, by triggering the release of the hormone cholecystokinin, which causes fullness. Fats also slow the release of sugar into your bloodstream, reducing the amount that can be stored as fat. In other words, the more fat in your milk, the less fat around your waist. Not only will low-fat milk fail to trim your gut, it might even make you fatter than if you were to drink whole, according to one large study. In 2005, researchers from the Harvard School of Public Health and other institutions studied the weight and milk consumption of 12,829 kids ages 9 to 14 from across the country. "Contrary to our hypothesis," they reported, "skim and 1% milk were associated with weight gain, but dairy fat was not."

But surely low-fat milk is better for your heart? We are often told to watch our consumption of dairy because it raises our bad cholesterol, the kind known as LDL. But LDL comes in at least four varieties, and only the smallest and densest of them are linked with heart disease. Dairy fat, it turns out, affects only the large, fluffy kind of LDL—the benign kind.

And here's a final thought: How would you feel if you opened a carton and poured a chalky, bluish-white liquid into your coffee? That's the color many nonfat milks are before powdered milk is added to whiten them—a process that brings its own problems. Any way you look at it, there's been a lot of whitewashing of skim milk's image.

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THE SKINNY ON NONFAT MILK

To turn skim milk white, "some companies fortify their product with powdered skim," says Bob Roberts, a dairy scientist at Penn State. Powdered skim (which is also added to organic low-fat milks) is produced by spraying the liquid under heat and high pressure, a process that oxidizes the cholesterol. In animal studies, oxidized cholesterol triggers a host of biological changes, leading to plaque formation in the arteries and heart disease, Spanish researchers reported in 1996. "OCs are mutagenic and carcinogenic," they wrote. In 1998, Australian researchers studied rabbits fed OC and found that the animals "had a 64% increase in total aortic cholesterol" despite having less cholesterol in their blood than rabbits fed natural sources of the substance. (A 2008 Chinese study with hamsters confirmed these findings.) Roberts says the amount of OC created by adding powdered skim is "not very much," but until the effects on humans are known, it's impossible to say what's a safe level.
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I did my own "Fran" workout this morning, I wasn't ready for a rest day yet so I decided to try my first crossfit workout. The thrusters were a bit harder than I gave them credit for, and my GOD it took me so long to finish my reps.

I'm a pretty good climber, and in decent shape. I can run a 10k in under an hour off the couch, boulder V7, climb 5.12b, but in this style of workout... i was in the 2nd percentile. The 2nd percentile. I hate the realization that I'm not in as good of shape as i thought. But at least I have another way to challenge myself.
It's a different kind of shape, and Fran is a real bitch if you aren't in "Crossfit" kind of shape. It's a whole lot tougher than people think it will be.
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I'm a pretty good climber, and in decent shape. I can run a 10k in under an hour off the couch, boulder V7, climb 5.12b, but in this style of workout... i was in the 2nd percentile. The 2nd percentile. I hate the realization that I'm not in as good of shape as i thought. But at least I have another way to challenge myself.

there's 2 pro climbers(guy and girl) at our gym....they go all over the world to climb. I remember when the guy first came in. He thought he was gonna breeze through it. After a few months, he's finally came to the realization that being an elite "athlete" doesnt necessarily mean you are in great overall physical shape.
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The peanut butter isn't horrible, but if you can get used to almond butter, it's a great substitute. Skim milk isn't a big deal, but I'd rather see you use whole milk. I was just reading an article about skim milk. I know, Details, but it does source and quote some real articles:

http://www.details.com/style-advice/...ilk-diet-foods
I drink my 2% than anything.
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there's 2 pro climbers(guy and girl) at our gym....they go all over the world to climb. I remember when the guy first came in. He thought he was gonna breeze through it. After a few months, he's finally came to the realization that being an elite "athlete" doesnt necessarily mean you are in great overall physical shape.
I think it may mean quite the contrary: I have to train so specifically to climb well, and have so little time to devote to training that it neglects some of the more "totally fit" kind of workouts.

I realized this 2 years ago, when i took up running. my climbing actually got better too, nice side bonus, and i found i could eat... worse... heh.

I also came to the realization that if it's hard to do, it's probably good for me. So rock on, Crossfit.
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It's a different kind of shape, and Fran is a real bitch if you aren't in "Crossfit" kind of shape. It's a whole lot tougher than people think it will be.
Yeah i was like "2 exercises? sweet. i'll be in and out"

I did it this morning before work, and **** i feel GREAT today. gotta love a metabolism boost

I also think my form kind of sucks. I don't have a voluptious stack of boobs to rest the bar on, and i've never done a kipping pullup.. couldn't get the rhythm right to save my life.

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What is Cindy?
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I'm not here to rain on your workouts, I think they are great.
but can I get some posts as to what you guys pay per month at a crossfit gym? or if you are even at a gym, or on your own?

Just curious....and I didn't want to start another workout related thread.
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