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Old 04-25-2002, 07:37 PM   #1
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what a diff! ouch!

and a huuuuuuuuuge thanks to Section 8 for this!
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Old 04-25-2002, 08:58 PM   #2
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Care to elaborate?? I've been considering this clutch... or possibly the stage one clutch as well.

Thanks - Jon
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Old 04-25-2002, 11:09 PM   #3
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You read the warning about breaking it in, right? Light driving/no launches for 600 miles blah blah blah....

Don't want you to wreck a new clutch....

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Old 04-26-2002, 01:51 AM   #4
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i know man... it's killin me! I got the midpipe installed today as well (since they were under there). and I'll have the backbox and harnesses on (and probably the intake) before it's broken in. heh. it's absolutely killing me, knowin I can't hit the gas yet.

omaha - in the stock clutch, the travel is like, what, 4 inches or so from slip to grip? and at the top of the travel. with the CMIII, it's like 1" (if that) and at the bottom. when I put it in reverse, and eased out, I stalled it. it's a suprise.

got around 45 miles on it now, and I'm starting to get used to it. takes a bit though. but definitley worth the money! if you can put up the extra $150sih, do it man. it's worth it!

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Old 04-26-2002, 08:54 AM   #5
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hac, do you get any deceleration noise/roughness from about 3000 down to 2000 rpm in 2nd, 3rd or 4th gear?
What flywheel are you using?
I have the same clutch in my RS, installed last weekend.......well, two weekends ago.
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Old 04-26-2002, 11:24 AM   #6
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i've noticed some, but not a ton. but in the same, I have like 40 miles under my belt with it, so it'll take a bit more.
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Old 04-26-2002, 11:39 AM   #7
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oh, and it's still a factory flywheel.
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Old 04-26-2002, 12:50 PM   #8
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is this car a daily driver......how is it on the street? Will i be rougher on a stock flywheel then an aftermarket one? Meaning will you have to replace your flywheel after a short time of will it keep up with the CMIII? Just wondering cause i'm in need of a clutch change soon.....and your the only one with a 98rs talking right now. Thanks for the info.
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Old 04-26-2002, 01:03 PM   #9
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Originally posted by hacman
i've noticed some, but not a ton. but in the same, I have like 40 miles under my belt with it, so it'll take a bit more.
I would like to know if you have the deceleration noise problems once you get a little more run time. It will be a good check for me to see if it is my lighten flywheel or the clutch that's making the noise. It is quite irritating.
Funny thing is that I used to have that noise before this but it was really faint and you can't tell if you weren't paying attention.
Thanx.
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Old 04-26-2002, 04:21 PM   #10
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I'll make sure to keep a listen for ya once i can get on it.

xroller - yep, daily driver. so far, I haven't had any issues. but then again, it's only 90 miles old (just went for a long drive). couldn't tell ya the diff of the light flywheel vs. stock, cause I'm running the stock one right now. i can tell you, though, that it definitley feels better, like you're actually driving a real car, vs. a econobox. crisp engangement (even while still breaking in). definitley worth the money.
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Old 07-11-2002, 12:22 PM   #11
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Can we get an update? How you liking it now? I'm sure your through break-in and have had a chance to draw some conclusions. Clutchmaster prices have gone up some so I need to know if it is truely worth the extra money to go from stage I to stage III.

Thanks - Jon
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Old 07-11-2002, 06:44 PM   #12
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I like it.... but I don't know the diff from the III to the I. in the beginning, engagement was crisp, now I'm still gettin used to it. but I think my slave cylinder is goin out, cause there's been a few times that, after a long ride, there's no pressure in the pedal.

overall, though, i love the clutch. i've had zero slip from 3K down. I'm still too scared to dump higher than that.
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Old 07-11-2002, 06:50 PM   #13
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Old 07-11-2002, 07:13 PM   #14
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yah, the first one there.

how you like the prodrive?
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Old 07-12-2002, 08:20 AM   #15
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Default Good info...

That's good. Glad you still like it. I still think I'll end up with a stage 1 as I don't know how long it will be until I can budget a gear/tranny upgrade. I will be getting a Primitive flywheel though.

here's the differences (pictures are for examples only - not actual)


FX100 (Stage I)
· High performance street system
· Holding capacity 70% over stock
· Heavy-Duty reinforced pressure plate
· Hi-Leverage™ pressure ring design
· Sprung hub/cushioned disc
· Steel backed organic friction material


FX300 (Stage III)
· Heavy-duty street & racing system
· Holding capacity 110% over stock
· Heavy-Duty reinforced pressure plate
· Hi-Leverage™ pressure ring design
· Sprung hub/cushioned disc
· Steel backed Segmented Carbon/Kevlar


FX400 (Stage IV)
· Ultra heavy-duty street &racing system
· Holding capacity 170% over stock
· Heavy-Duty reinforced pressure plate
· Hi-Leverage™ pressure ring design
· Sprung hub/4-button
· Ceramic friction material


FX500 (Stage V)
· Custom built racing-only systems
· Holding capacity 200-400% over stock
· Built to your exact requirements
· High impact solid hub design

All Clutch Masters systems come complete with:
Pressure Plate
Clutch Disc
Throw-out Bearing
Pilot Bearing or Bushing (when applicable)
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Old 07-12-2002, 09:13 AM   #16
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Does anyone have a picture of the stage II. I emailed Clutchmasters and the technical guy recommended a stage II for me but its nowhere to be found for the subarus.


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Old 07-12-2002, 10:58 AM   #17
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They don't offer a stage II for subaru's from what I've gathered (through e-mail as well). They used to but don't anymore. The stage II IIRC had cost about $515, the one I'd like, but alas they don't exist.

Hey I just looked it up and they have more options for the 2.2L engine N/A Impreza.. wouldn't those work for the RS guys too?

I'll be using the N/A 2.2L 1997 tranny to run my lower boost Legacy turbo engine so I'll be running a push style clutch (no pull style).. They have everything for that car from stage 0 (OEM replacement) to stage 5 (0-5) including stage II!

Just a thought for you guys, I don't know why they'd be any different on the 2.5

Jon

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Old 07-12-2002, 11:40 AM   #18
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I'll be using the N/A 2.2L 1997 tranny to run my lower boost Legacy turbo engine so I'll be running a push style clutch (no pull style).. They have everything for that car from stage 0 (OEM replacement) to stage 5 (0-5) including stage II!

Just a thought for you guys, I don't know why they'd be any different on the 2.5

Jon [/b]
Good point, Jon.

I was thinking the same thing. Same part numbers BTW for 2.2 kits and 2.5 kits. I just looked today and there's a stage II listed for 2.5L impreza's now. There wasn't just a few days ago.

K.
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Old 07-13-2002, 07:13 PM   #19
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Lightbulb Create a Stage 3 or stage 4 type kit

For our rally cars, we create a "Stage 4" kit by combining our 6 button copper clutch disk with the STi pull-style pressure plate (would work for any of you running pull style clutches i.e. Legacy Turbo owners, 2002 WRX owners, or anyone running an STi or JDM tranny). Grips like hell, but can be difficult to drive in stop-and-go traffic. The disc is $159. Lasts a long, long time.

Would be about the same as using the 6-button with the ACT HD pressure plate for those of you with 2.5RS or 2.2 push style systems.

If you want the grip, but like "smooth as silk" engagement, then step up to our fully sprung hub, kevlar disk. This is what we currently run in our WRX rallycar. High performance organic facing on the tranny side and kevlar on the engine side allow it to be smooth engaging but very strong. They are $169 for just the disk.

We also have pure high performance organic discs which will outperform stock systems (especially in any of the 2.5RS's) and are reasonably priced at $105

See this link for some more info:
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