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Old 06-16-2009, 12:02 PM   #1
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Question ExtremeContact DW and DWS

These seem to be new:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....remeContact+DW

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....emeContact+DWS

Anyone have any extra info/experience with them? Luke?
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Old 06-17-2009, 02:03 AM   #2
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Yea, waiting for more reviews on this to "roll" in =)
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Old 06-29-2009, 09:52 PM   #3
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Just wanted to chime in on this. I've been running the DWS in 225/45/17 for about 500 miles now. They replaced a set of Fuzion ZRi in 215/45/17. I'm very pleased with them, overall.

Things I've noticed:
- The sidewalls are very flexy at 32-35 psi. Haven't really run them above that, but plan to. Oughta help, I'd suppose. As they roll on to the sidewall during cornering they transmit a weird vibration to the cabin/steering wheel. I'm guessing this comes from the tread design.
- Steering response does suffer because of the soft sidewall. Response would probably be better if I ran them around 40 psi.
- They ride very well compared to the RE92s and the Fuzions.
- They grip very well. More grip than the RE92s, obviously less than the Fuzions.
- They're pretty quiet.
- They don't pick up gravel very badly.
- They handle deep puddles of standing water incredibly well.
- Treadwear rating of 540! I'm hoping this has some realistic bearing on how long the tires will last.
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:05 AM   #4
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Actually, we just completed testing the new ultra high performance all season tires. The tires involved in the test were the BF Goodrich g-Force Super Sport A/S, Continental Extreme Contact DWS, Michelin Pilot SPort A/S+ and the Pirelli P-Zero Nero All Season. These are all considered the next generation of UHP All-Season tires and proved to be an upgrade from each companies previous offerings.

the results were pretty telling of the design intent of each tire

BF Goodrich had excellent dry handling and responsiveness which would suit a performance orientated driver very well. They are pretty weak in wet traction when compared to the other tires. BFG came away with a fourth place finish in this test.

Continetal was surprisingly good in the wet but could use some reinforcement in the sidewall as the steering response was only so-so. It's a very good all-around tire which offers decent performance in all conditions. Conti finished up in second place

Michelin as always offered great ride quality and nice steering feel but, could use a little more wet grip. The decision to maximize ride quality forced a compromise in performance which dropped Michelin to third

Pirelli offers the full package, nice ride, low noise, good dry and wet grip. If we could improve anything it would be dry braking. Pirelli gets the top spot in this round of testing.

the DW will be tested next month
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:15 AM   #5
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thanks, Luke! How do these 4 compare to the RE960AS and Advan S4?
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Old 06-30-2009, 05:54 PM   #6
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the RE960 is still my favorite
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Old 07-21-2009, 04:03 PM   #7
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How about the Advan S4? The tires would be going on a Mercedes S500, not a Subie.

also, test results article: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/....jsp?ttid=119&
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Old 07-21-2009, 04:24 PM   #8
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in my Opinioin the Advan S4, while a strong dry performer, lacks some ride quality I would want on a grand tourer like an S-Class
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How so? It gets an 8.6 for ride comfort in your surveys (just below 8.8 for the top Pilot Sport AS Plus) and is better for noise comfort (8.5 vs 8.1). Also, I don't want a soft-riding tire; the car is mushy enough as it is. I want something that will sharpen up the handling and steering feel.
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Old 07-21-2009, 05:18 PM   #10
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Luke,
How much better are the new pirellis than the prior M+S ones? I had those. Loved them except in snow/slush. Now I have Goodyear F1 A/S that I hate. Need to replace soon.

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Old 07-21-2009, 05:18 PM   #11
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the RE960 is still my favorite
Much better than the new pirellis?
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Jim1969 can you call me ?
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Old 07-21-2009, 06:01 PM   #13
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How so? It gets an 8.6 for ride comfort in your surveys (just below 8.8 for the top Pilot Sport AS Plus) and is better for noise comfort (8.5 vs 8.1). Also, I don't want a soft-riding tire; the car is mushy enough as it is. I want something that will sharpen up the handling and steering feel.
those numbers are for in catagory comparison only ... I would take a 6.8 GT A/S over a 8.8 UHP A/S

it's an S-Class and unless you outfit it with some suspension goodies from AMG it won't be a crisp handling car. It's a touring car by design
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Old 07-22-2009, 01:23 PM   #14
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I'll be purchasing the DWS tires as my winter season tire when October rolls around.
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Old 08-17-2009, 01:07 PM   #15
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Default Avoid The Dsw!!

Oh... my... God...

"Sorta soft sidewall"?!?!??!?!?

It's a nightmare borderline dangerous!! I have adjustable sways/endlinks/bushings in place to tighten up the suspension. WHen I put these on and went around a corner I felt like a Buick on flat tires! I've tried air pressure from 38 to 48... forget it.

Driving back roads are terrible... if you come over a hill and have a turn to the left or right, they are literally dangerous!! The car springs around all over the place... and if you push on the side of car you can watch it wobble.

I read the reviews and went with these tires... Disappointed. I wish there was a return policy on these. I just dont feel safe at all. And I am not a rookie driver. I've owned Turbo AWD cars for the past 15 years and have logged almost 300,000 miles on those cars alone.

If you go straight and slow and are on a freeway and dont need to make sudden moves, you are good and they ride nice. Just dont pass.

I refuse to let my wife drive this car now.

I'm going to attempt to play with the sway bar adjustments, but man, if I have to make everything back to stock - it's pointless.

Avoid... avoid avoid..

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Old 08-17-2009, 01:09 PM   #16
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...and did I mention, AVOID?!?
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you can always return them if you want. It's not a Tire Rack deal so, it doesn't atter where they were purchased from. Continental offers a 60 day test drive warranty so, you can return them within the first 2 months.
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Old 11-22-2009, 09:50 PM   #18
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...and did I mention, AVOID?!?
Back from dead..I'd say you are going a little overboard. These tires perform as an all season should. I like mine for fall/winter use as they provide a good amount of traction in wet/snow conditions.
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I know how I feel, thank you. I've spent time on the car and many others before this one. Plus I've adjusted the suspension to try to at least compensate for some of the 'floppiness' of these tires.

The initial turn in on these tires leaves a lot to be desired. I've had many all season tires on 14 years worth of turbo AWD cars. I'd surrender some of that performance if I was gaining traction of value... and I can't say that's the case with these tires. I've had Falkens that give better wet traction AND dry handling.

For the $, there are better options.
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I have the DWS on my '07 STI.

Only susp. mods are whiteline ALK . . .

*I HATE THEM!*

I'm exercising my 60 day policy and returning them for the original Extreme Contacts. I've also never used them, but I'd rather have a tire that's proven as awesome in the snow, than a new tire which wanders all over the highway and is questionable.

The extreme contacts may very well be as flexy. But Continental bills these DWS as a tire that will be eventually relegated to strictly wet/dry or dry use only, and I wouldn't use this tire for dry only if my life depended on it.

No thanks.

BTW, still waiting on the ExtremeContacts to get in stock and swapped.
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I guess I'm missing the point, I use these for winter specifically and they work great for mountain driving for me and my expectations [I've owned 5 wrx/stis in the last 6 years and all of em have had different all seasons at some point]. I buy "summer" tires for dry weather and I don't assume/expect summer performance out of an all season tire.
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Neither do I , but my proxes 4 I had on for prior winters are like night and day compared to these. I expected
some slop, but not this bad.
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I agree the proxes 4 have stiffer sidewalls and make for sharper handling overall, but man.... those things will not perform in the snow. They were my least favorite tire for winter weather. I guess it's just all about what you do with your all season though.
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I've had all seasons perform much better - and i'm intelligent enough to know there is some sacrifice when you drive on all season tires throughout the year. I, unfortunately, do not have the luxury of spending $1k+ for another set of tires and rims to swap around. Hence the long and tedious process of trying to find a good all purpose tire to use year round.

DWS is NOT that tire. I was too stupid to actually trust reviews on it by 'professionals'. I keep forgetting the world has changed - reviews now adays are just paid adverstisements.
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i just put them on my 09 for winter and while i definitely notice a difference between the stock summer tires and these in terms of dry performance, i am quite happy with them. They feel more solid in the rain and awaiting snow testing. They are much more comfortable than the stock dunlops as well. Im even thinking of keeping them on year round. I drive all day for my job both highway and local and am coming up on 1k on them already and dont see any reason yet that i wouldnt like these permanently on my daily driver.
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