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Old 06-17-2009, 12:59 PM   #1
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My buddy is debating whether to go HYDRA or ECPRO.

He self tunes. We have not found a link to the software for the cosworth ecpro to further look at.

Anyone have a link or the software to download?
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Old 06-17-2009, 01:12 PM   #2
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I've never heard of ECPro before..

However, from experience I can tell you that it is very easy, and takes minimal time to make the Hydra box run well. The downside with the Hydra is that there are quite a few quirks that they don't really tell you about, and customer service is a bit of a run around in my opinion..
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Old 06-17-2009, 01:28 PM   #3
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Easy... ECPro. However not all shops are going to be allowed to tune ECPro. Its going to be more like how HKS is that has pro dealers that have the software to tune it.
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Old 06-17-2009, 03:00 PM   #4
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Buy the Hydra 2.6 from Phil @ Element Tuning and you will get the best customer service one could offer!
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Old 06-17-2009, 03:47 PM   #5
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Thanks! Plus Element Tuning has a ton of tuned Hydra base maps for the most popular power setups.

Never underestimate how long it will take to tune a car without a tuned base map. Most EMs come with a base map that will start an OEM setup and that's it. It can easily take 50 hours to get it going. One of our tuned base maps in the right hands should have most setups completely dialed in 2-4 hours.

The new 2.6 software is also really nice, more intuitive, and much faster to tune than the previous versions.
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Old 06-17-2009, 03:52 PM   #6
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Ecpro.. uses SI drive to switch between three seperate tunes. Not just throttle/boost maps, but actual fuel, timing, throttle, boost, rev limits, etc..

Oh and you get to keep your cruise control

Biggest drawback will be the end user tunablity.. which is where the hydra wins hands down.
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Old 06-22-2009, 10:41 AM   #7
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The Hydra 2.7 flash upgrade for the 08 STi will have full CAN bus communications which means SI drive and cruise control . I have some beta stuff to test but it's still a few months out before it's full capabilities will be released.
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Old 06-24-2009, 08:42 AM   #8
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The Hydra 2.7 flash upgrade for the 08 STi will have full CAN bus communications which means SI drive and cruise control . I have some beta stuff to test but it's still a few months out before it's full capabilities will be released.
will cruise control be among the features, or is Hydra still sticking to it's guns with regard to not having cruise control on the DBW cars?
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Old 06-24-2009, 05:14 PM   #9
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The non DBW cars have always retained cruise control.

As stated already cruise control and DBW is coming even though I said it never would
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Old 06-25-2009, 02:03 PM   #10
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Why do these threads turn into a soapbox for Hydra? The Cosworth ECPro is a Pectel based ECU and there is simply no comparing the features, quality, and capability of the ECPro. You might recognize the Pectel name from WRC, ALMS, CART, etc.
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Old 06-26-2009, 05:59 AM   #11
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Why do these threads turn into a soapbox for Hydra? The Cosworth ECPro is a Pectel based ECU and there is simply no comparing the features, quality, and capability of the ECPro. You might recognize the Pectel name from WRC, ALMS, CART, etc.
thats great and all, but it does no good when you cant find someone to tune it.
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Old 06-26-2009, 02:32 PM   #12
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Feature for feature the Hydra stacks up well if not better than most EMS so I don't buy into the that generalization because it's not used in ALMS, etc. I love how people love to toss names out but some know and some may not know that Hydra is heavily Motec influenced as individual(s) who developed the Hydra also worked with Motec.

Hydra has a huge Subaru following due to the accessability of tuned maps and tuners. Most people on Nasioc don't race their Subaru in ALMS and the Hydra EMS cannot be faulted for developing the EMS which caters towards the average customer's use. Many of the fastest Time Attack and Drag Subarus have been successfull with the Hydra EMS so anything new is going to be compared against it. This is just how consumer buying decisions are made. No one is on a soap box here, it's just consumers with actual experience using the Hydra giving there two cents when the orginal post is asking for a comparison.
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Old 06-26-2009, 04:59 PM   #13
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thats great and all, but it does no good when you cant find someone to tune it.
Just like ProEFI. Factory grade engine management with zero accessibility.

I'll stick with my AEM EMS, Hydra, and MoTeC's..
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Old 06-30-2009, 02:00 AM   #14
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The new 2.6 software is also really nice, more intuitive, and much faster to tune than the previous versions.
Yea, the earlier stuff sure does suck

If the ECPro includes a nice tuning app, I'd go for it, otherwise, AEM or a new hydra.
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Old 11-18-2009, 08:29 PM   #15
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Phil, the only car I've seen run problem free in person with a Hydra is your own.




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Feature for feature the Hydra stacks up well if not better than most EMS so I don't buy into the that generalization because it's not used in ALMS, etc. I love how people love to toss names out but some know and some may not know that Hydra is heavily Motec influenced as individual(s) who developed the Hydra also worked with Motec.

Hydra has a huge Subaru following due to the accessability of tuned maps and tuners. Most people on Nasioc don't race their Subaru in ALMS and the Hydra EMS cannot be faulted for developing the EMS which caters towards the average customer's use. Many of the fastest Time Attack and Drag Subarus have been successfull with the Hydra EMS so anything new is going to be compared against it. This is just how consumer buying decisions are made. No one is on a soap box here, it's just consumers with actual experience using the Hydra giving there two cents when the orginal post is asking for a comparison.
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Old 11-18-2009, 09:08 PM   #16
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I will chime in here and say that yes some of the early 2.17 boxes had a few issues but the 2.5(WHICH I RUN) and the 2.6 box are pretty much trouble free and are a very powerful ecu's.It all still comes down to the tuner to make an ecu as perfect at running the car as possible,bad tuner=****ty running car.
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Old 11-19-2009, 12:59 PM   #17
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My buddy is debating whether to go HYDRA or ECPRO.

He self tunes. We have not found a link to the software for the cosworth ecpro to further look at.

Anyone have a link or the software to download?
I'm sure you have probably seen this by now:

http://www.cosworthusa.com/store/pc/...&idproduct=415
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Old 11-24-2009, 07:54 AM   #18
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Old 11-24-2009, 07:59 AM   #19
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I will chime in here and say that yes some of the early 2.17 boxes had a few issues but the 2.5(WHICH I RUN) and the 2.6 box are pretty much trouble free and are a very powerful ecu's.It all still comes down to the tuner to make an ecu as perfect at running the car as possible,bad tuner=****ty running car.
Eh. The 2.6 box has been little relief for me in my problems with Hydra. Earlier this year, my car was down for 6 weeks while the main board of the Hydra was being replaced.
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The Hydra is a very powerful ECU. The software just happens to be written by monkeys.
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Old 11-24-2009, 02:47 PM   #21
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Eh. The 2.6 box has been little relief for me in my problems with Hydra. Earlier this year, my car was down for 6 weeks while the main board of the Hydra was being replaced.
sorry to hear that,I know a few people had some problems with the 2.6 when it first came out but really I have not had a single problem at all with any of the 2.5 boxes I have worked with.
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Old 11-24-2009, 04:17 PM   #22
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sorry to hear that,I know a few people had some problems with the 2.6 when it first came out but really I have not had a single problem at all with any of the 2.5 boxes I have worked with.
I had a few issues with cold start and my 2.5 box, but the 2.6 definitely resolved those problems. My car cold starts and idles nearly perfectly, with very little tuning time put into it. Corrupt maps seem to still be a problem for me, and the DBW dies occasionally, which can be very scary, meaning the car just idles, nothing i do with the throttle has any effect on the engine. That being said, the 2.6 interface is leaps and bounds better than the 2.5, and overall it is more reliable and repeatable than the AEM boxes I've worked with.
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Old 11-24-2009, 05:42 PM   #23
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Yeah I think you might have other problems. I've been slammed and have been hard to get in touch with via phone but try to call me and I'm hoping I can have you check a few things around the ecu mounting that might help you with some of your issues.

The Hydra absolutely has to be bolted down and can't have any pressure exerted on the circuit board from the floor, kick plate, or someone's foot (I still remember the day I had an ECU down there exposed (not a Hydra) and my wife pushes on it to get something from the back seat as I'm exiting a toll booth from the far left lane and the car shuts off )

If you are having map corruption issues this is a 100% user related issue. I have tips, products, and settings I can share to eliminate any of that. The 2.6 is very demanding of the serial port so it all needs to be setup correctly.
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Will 2.7 have a straight USB connection, like the Series 2 AEM boxes?
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Old 11-25-2009, 01:34 AM   #25
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If you are having map corruption issues this is a 100% user related issue. I have tips, products, and settings I can share to eliminate any of that.
And what are these tips and products that eliminate the map corruption issues?
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