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Old 06-19-2009, 12:17 PM   #1
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FOTA teams to launch breakaway series

The Formula One Teams' Association announced on Thursday night that it is setting up a breakaway championship.

Following a four-hour meeting at Renault's Enstone factory, the eight members of FOTA - Ferrari, McLaren, Renault, BMW Sauber, Toyota, Brawn, Red Bull Racing and Scuderia Toro Rosso - said they had grown frustrated with the FIA's stance against the organisation, and had no option but to create a series of their own.

"The teams cannot continue to compromise on the fundamental values of the sport and have declined to alter their original conditional entries to the 2010 World Championship," said a statement issued by FOTA after the meeting.

"These teams therefore have no alternative other than to commence the preparation for a new Championship which reflects the values of its participants and partners. This series will have transparent governance, one set of regulations, encourage more entrants and listen to the wishes of the fans, including offering lower prices for spectators worldwide, partners and other important stakeholder
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76292

Theissen: FOTA left with no choice

BMW Sauber team boss Mario Theissen said FOTA did its utmost to reach a deal in the row with the FIA, but was left with no choice but to announce a breakaway series.

The eight FOTA squads declared late last night that they would proceed with plans to launch a rival to the FIA Formula 1 World Championship from 2010.

"The FOTA teams endeavoured to the very end to reach an agreement, but regrettably the FIA refused to back down from its rigid position, insisting that the teams must first sign up before there could be any negotiations on the rules. This was unacceptable to us," said Theissen.

"FOTA therefore has no choice but to press ahead with preparations for an alternative championship."

He is confident that FOTA's championship will be received positively by F1's fans.

"In the series organised by FOTA, the best drivers and the best teams will compete against each other," Theissen said.

"This will take place within a stable set of regulations and a transparent management structure. We will also take into account the wishes of the fans, who have lent us a great deal of support particularly in recent weeks."

Theissen also reiterated his belief that FOTA had made a major contribution to the health of F1 since its formation last summer.

"Since its founding in September of last year, FOTA has been committed to cutting costs in Formula 1, enhancing its appeal and supporting independent teams," he said. "During this short period of time, more has been achieved than ever before in the history of Formula 1.

"We will not be making any further statements on the matter during this weekend. We want to concentrate fully on the race and provide the fans with the spectacle they deserve."


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FIA to launch legal action against FOTA

Motorsport's ruling body, the FIA, has announced it will be launching legal action against the Formula 1 teams trying to set up a breakaway championship.

The Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) announced on Thursday night that, after failing to reach an agreement with the FIA, will start its own series next year.

But the governing body has responded to FOTA with a legal threat, saying the teams, and Ferrari in particular, have binding commitments that they cannot break.

The FIA also said that it will delay the publication of the 2010 entry list, expected tomorrow.

"The FIA's lawyers have now examined the FOTA threat to begin a breakaway series," said the FIA in a statement.

"The actions of FOTA as a whole, and Ferrari in particular, amount to serious violations of law including wilful interference with contractual relations, direct breaches of Ferrari's legal obligations and a grave violation of competition law.

"The FIA will be issuing legal proceedings without delay.

"Preparations for the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship continue but publication of the final 2010 entry list will be put on hold while the FIA asserts its legal rights."


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76316

Many of the most successful and important teams of the FIA sanctioned Formula one racing series have pledged to split away over a long list of disagreements regarding the administration of the sport.

We have an interesting perspective as American fans. We remember Indy 05 when the FIA would not allow Michelin to update their tires out of a safety concern, causing only six cars (three teams) to participate in the race to great controversy. Many races have been lost, races with Formula one history of decades or longer. Many believe this is due to the un-realistic financial needs of the person controlling the application of the FIA's formula one season.

We also remember when the American Halo series (Cart) was split due to several disagreements. This unfortunately ended in the splitting of the race fans wishes and enthusiasm, leading to lower interest in both series overall. eventually leading to a much smaller series and one dead series.

I imagine FOTA (Formula One Teams Association) has an open mind going forward but do they really want to or plan on having their own series? Can this benefit the fans? What can we picture in this series or the other.

I propose a separate thread to establish the legitimacy of the FOTA series or it's possible existence.

I for one look forward to an open wheel series at the echelon of development, speed, and safety that seems to consider fan's and quality of racing first. Profit is of course important for life, that being said,many decisions that have alienated fans have had little to do with finances (Indy for example)

Long post I know.

CN: Lets discuss this and it's possible outcome. FIA be damned?
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Old 06-19-2009, 12:20 PM   #2
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I am concerned about USF1 and whatever commitments they have made.
I am stoked they finally gave Mosley and Bernie the finger.
I hope TV coverage doesn't suffer.
I'm glad they want to make it more affordable for spectators. And maybe now with Bernie gone a U.S. track may be able to afford to bring a race here.
I think FOTA making their own rules could provide for a fun series.
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Um, yes!

I'm all for it, Max and Bernie can kiss their each other's arses and sit their without the major teams bringing fans ($$$) to their series.
+1 for a fun, fair and competitive Formula (xx?) series, race locations/times, and regulations.
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Old 06-19-2009, 01:00 PM   #4
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Shades of CART breaking away from USAC back in the 70's. This is interesting.
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Old 06-19-2009, 01:29 PM   #5
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F1 has been too screwed up for its own good for way too long.

new series will be F1 in all but name, do the fans really care who's running the show, they just want to hear them motors screamin

fark bernie, fark FIA, long live FOTA

condolences to them what ain't motorsports lawyers, somebody's gonna make a killing off this and I don't mean the teams
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I think its a little early to say that FOTA will be any better than the FIA has been. I think its a move to get Max out of the sport.
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Old 06-19-2009, 02:12 PM   #8
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I think its a little early to say that FOTA will be any better than the FIA has been. I think its a move to get Max out of the sport.
You may be right Stu. That does seem to be written on the wall.

Mosley committed to resigning last year which hasn't happened. One could claim the problems found come from him.

That being said, it seems a decent percentage of the issue comes from the Draconian measures That Bernie "Madoff" Ecclestone has used in securing more money for himself.

The teams have a point that they are more responsible (as well as local organizers) for the success of the sport. And therefore deserve more interest and benefit.

One problem is that it is not known and likely never will be known exactly how much teams and others are compensated for the vast amounts of money brought in by the FIA's and Formula ones contracts.

One other point, Wasn't Lemans So much more interesting than watching an F1 race? I do like having less fear for stewards affecting the race outcome.
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I totally agree that Max needs to go, and the FIA needs to be re-org'd. However, it seems the biggest issue is this budget cap. Max wanted 40mil, FOTA wanted no restriction. In reality, I can agree with the 40mil. Phase it in over a couple years like has been proposed.

Should be interesting to watch!

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I hope FOTA starts their series in Canada, followed by the USA.
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Wow is this ever good for the sport! No Bernie no Mosley the forth reich is over!
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I'll watch. Max and his cronies can huff a dong. (Sir Frank excluded. I think he just screwed up by committing too early. )
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Seems like this is more likely to be a big bargaining chip than it is to come to fruition. When both sides sit down at the next meeting, FOTA will be able to say 'seems like the fans want to watch us race, just listen to the reports/read the papers. Do you want them to still be putting money in your pocket, or are we done here?' FOM has been plucking the whiskers of the big teams for some time, so this was bound to boil over at some point. Hopefully we can get back at least one North American round out of this, instead of another boring Tilke parade route.

Sharky, don't forget that Frank has a pretty big debt to pay to Bernie, since if he didn't advance him some payments, Williams F1 may not have been on the grid this year. Frank knows that there is a better chance of this all getting worked out than a new series coming together in 8 months, so he isn't about to burn his bridge.

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Make them V12s
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I totally agree that Max needs to go, and the FIA needs to be re-org'd. However, it seems the biggest issue is this budget cap. Max wanted 40mil, FOTA wanted no restriction. In reality, I can agree with the 40mil. Phase it in over a couple years like has been proposed.

Should be interesting to watch!

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The rules aren't really the issue, its the way they've been brought in, on top of requiring the teams to enter very early on with no consultation. The teams are pretty much ok with a budget, but not immediately.

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Wow is this ever good for the sport! No Bernie no Mosley the forth reich is over!
No, it isn't good for the sport at all.
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bump since there's good news regarding this whole thing
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76515

No more Max, no more budgets/two tier system
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To be fair They haven't eliminated the budget/cap rule.

They are actually trying to agree on it instead of Max shoving it down their throats.
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bump since there's good news regarding this whole thing
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76515

No more Max, no more budgets/two tier system
When you mentioned good news I assumed Bernie went off with Max on some nazi BDSM cruise and whipped each other to death. But yeah, one gone is in the right direction...
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To be fair They haven't eliminated the budget/cap rule.

They are actually trying to agree on it instead of Max shoving it down their throats.
I'm sure one will eventually come into play, but nowhere near the low figures, and quick implementation that mosley wanted.
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I'm sure one will eventually come into play, but nowhere near the low figures, and quick implementation that mosley wanted.
They've already agreed to it, it will just take a few years.
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