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View Poll Results: Would your autocross organization be interested in free registration software?
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Old 06-20-2009, 03:40 PM   #1
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Lightbulb Gauging Interest: Free AutoX Registration Software

As a 12yr veteran of autocrossing, I've seen many different ways clubs utilize pre-event registration for autocross events. DLBRacing, MyAutoEvents.com and AxWare ORM seem to be the most popular these days and have been quite proven and relatively easy for event administrators to setup and add their events to the massive listings these sites provide. That said, it seems that all these sites charge in some way or another, whether it's the person registering or the club paying upon event listing or annual subscription.

I have successfully implemented an online autocross registration web application system for two different clubs, Champaign County Sports Car Club and the Buccaneer Region SCCA. I've gathered lots of great feedback from these guys and the overall opinion is that it works very well and is extremely easy to use for both the event administrators and the event attendees. As a programmer by day, I enjoy creating applications and seeing them succeed, especially when they help the autocross community run more efficiently and make the overall experience for a new-comer that much better.

So I present this question to the autocross community: would you and/or your autocross organization be interested in free software that allows attendees to pre-register for an autocross event via the web and provide a mechanism to import the pre-registrants into the popular autocross software AxWare? If so, would you rather see a "hosted" version (like ORM/MAE) or a version that your webmaster can download and install on your own server?

Application Features:
Add/modify/delete events
Modify/delete users (spam management)
Ability to turn on/off Street Tire classing
Ability to turn on/off Novice classing
Mass HTML based email
AxWare compatible exports
Optional mandatory paypal payment (club would eat paypal fees, they would not be passed to the attendee)
Email confirmation upon registration and includes registration and tech "cards" that attendee would print and provide upon event check-in/registration
"My Garage" concept for attendees
Optional SCCA Membership Verification (still looking into this; ORM does it so there must be a service available)

Hosted Model Features:
No installation (just configure once upon setup and go)
Inability to modify classes (would stick with standard SCCA classing + street tire and novice options based on setup options)
Inability to modify source code (limited ability for customization or added features)
No maintenance (I would be releasing updates periodically as any software provider does but they would be seamless to you the end user)

Downloaded Model Features:
Ability to modify classes (you would have free reign over your database so you could use for RallyX, NASA TT or NASA autox, etc)
Ability to modify source code (if your web master is java savvy, he/she could capitalize on existing code and add features that may not exist, change master level configurations and customization)
Would require a java/jsp/servlet web hosting provider (product would be an installable .war or .ear file) running JDK 5.0 or above

Why do this?
As an IBM WebSphere Portal Server developer and architect by day, I enjoy writing applications and seeing them used by people. I also like to help the small guy and this would be targeted at those smaller clubs who are struggling to get 50 people at an event and are looking to cut corners in costs anyway they can all while still trying to improve the overall experience to their attendees and club members. Plus, it would be one of those "my baby" type things that keeps me out of trouble.

Why FREE??
I have a day job and love it so I'm not looking to replace it. I'm also not looking to replace or compete with the big guys (MAE, ORM, etc)....ok, well, maybe just enough to annoy them
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Old 06-20-2009, 05:18 PM   #2
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I would be interested but FYI there is a free site already around: clubregistration.net
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Old 06-20-2009, 06:09 PM   #3
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I would be interested but FYI there is a free site already around: clubregistration.net
Interesting, never heard of that site. That seems to be another example of a hosted solution like MAE, etc. Any idea of that site provides exports for Timing and Scoring from the registration lists (like axware, etc)?



One more thing to throw out there is that if the downloaded version were to become a reality, it would be released under GPL.
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Old 06-20-2009, 11:30 PM   #4
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I think a download/install type of software would be better!

Also clubreg does export to axware but I'm not sure how well it works.
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Old 06-21-2009, 11:08 AM   #5
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That said, it seems that all these sites charge in some way or another, whether it's the person registering or the club paying upon event listing or annual subscription.
MotorsportReg.com has a free Standard plan (http://www.pukkasoft.com/signup/ to see all of them) and we're hosting events for more than 160 clubs around the country (600+ organizers use MSR).

As with any system, clubregistration.net or otherwise, you must pay to process payment unless you collect cash/checks. So the service may be free (like ours for example) but online payments will cost something no matter what route you go.

The one piece of advice I would offer if you're thinking of providing a new hosted system is to consider the money it costs to provide. Early on, you can get away with hosting it on a shared server somewhere or in your house and offering support on a nights and weekends basis but when clubs come to depend upon you for their most mission critical application, you will find that those efforts will not be satisfactory. We spend literally thousands of dollars each month on infrastructure in order to provide 99.99% uptime and comply with PCI DSS. This is not meant to discourage you but hopefully rather help you plan properly if you want to press forward.

Now... can you write desktop apps? If you were interested in writing timing and scoring software, I have a lengthy list of customers looking to replace what they're using today and we're looking for someone to work with to build it!


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Old 06-21-2009, 11:25 AM   #6
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MotorsportReg.com has a free Standard plan (http://www.pukkasoft.com/signup/ to see all of them) and we're hosting events for more than 160 clubs around the country (600+ organizers use MSR).

As with any system, clubregistration.net or otherwise, you must pay to process payment unless you collect cash/checks. So the service may be free (like ours for example) but online payments will cost something no matter what route you go.
You're right, processing payments online costs money regardless if you're integrating with paypal or some online processor (insert bank name here). I've always recomended that if payments are processed that paypal is the easiest for both the club and me as a developer.

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The one piece of advice I would offer if you're thinking of providing a new hosted system is to consider the money it costs to provide. Early on, you can get away with hosting it on a shared server somewhere or in your house and offering support on a nights and weekends basis but when clubs come to depend upon you for their most mission critical application, you will find that those efforts will not be satisfactory. We spend literally thousands of dollars each month on infrastructure in order to provide 99.99% uptime and comply with PCI DSS. This is not meant to discourage you but hopefully rather help you plan properly if you want to press forward.
Very valid points and all reasons why a downloaded model is my preferred method. Not to mention the benefits of releasing under GPL and getting the open source community involved in making it even better by allowing hundreds of other developers to offer up suggestions and write modules they think would be "trick" or what-have-you...

One reason why I stressed free is the support. I've played that game before and it's something that I don't have time for. I race myself and a full time job that I love and cherish (especially in today's ecomony). Support is something that comes with the territory but by not charging at all, the goal would be that if I were out of town for a week that people wouldn't be up in arms when I haven't gotten back to them within 24hrs or something.

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Now... can you write desktop apps? If you were interested in writing timing and scoring software, I have a lengthy list of customers looking to replace what they're using today and we're looking for someone to work with to build it!


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I can... but my #1 language is java which doesn't cater well to desktop applications. The rule of thumb is that java is for the web and .net is for desktops in a windows world.

That said, I do own a valid VS.NET license and could investigate interfacing with some timers. Are you looking to cater to autocross or lapping/TT/Road Racing T&S systems?? PM a feature list if you'd like...but not sure if I'm looking to bite something off like that quite yet.
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Old 06-21-2009, 09:09 PM   #7
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I will forward this info to a local club that could definitely use it.
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Old 06-22-2009, 10:38 AM   #8
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I've always recomended that if payments are processed that paypal is the easiest for both the club and me as a developer.
Easy yes, but beware there are catches. The kinds of sudden influxes and disbursements of cash that event registrations generate can set off alarms with Paypal's anti-fraud department. It is *unlikely* for it to happen but there are lots of documented cases of funds being frozen by Paypal. My main concern with Paypal is they're not a bank and therefore are not regulated by one which means you have no recourse with them. Thus, if a club's funds get frozen for whatever reason and they have a deposit or invoice due, they are up the creek. It's definitely unlikely but does happen.

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I can... but my #1 language is java which doesn't cater well to desktop applications. The rule of thumb is that java is for the web and .net is for desktops in a windows world.
Really?? As a Java developer you must have used Eclipse which is probably one of the best examples of a full-fledged Java desktop application. I use it every day, all day as do hundreds of thousands of other people. Not to mention Open Office and countless others. I think Java's cross-platform capability and extensive third party library support is actually the best candidate for such a system. I'm talking specifically about a Solo solution... on the track side, AMB's software is really solid. The one weakness with Java is the UI can be clumsy but there are generally ways to improve that with some effort.

Drop me your name and info via PM. I'm building a list of people who are interested with no commitment required, so perhaps we can put together an open source team to attack it.
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Really?? As a Java developer you must have used Eclipse which is probably one of the best examples of a full-fledged Java desktop application. I use it every day, all day as do hundreds of thousands of other people. Not to mention Open Office and countless others. I think Java's cross-platform capability and extensive third party library support is actually the best candidate for such a system. I'm talking specifically about a Solo solution... on the track side, AMB's software is really solid. The one weakness with Java is the UI can be clumsy but there are generally ways to improve that with some effort.

Drop me your name and info via PM. I'm building a list of people who are interested with no commitment required, so perhaps we can put together an open source team to attack it.
I most definitely use eclipse...well, we portal developers call it RAD which is the $4,000 version of the open source solution by IBM

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