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Old 06-19-2009, 09:59 PM   #1
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Hey its been a while since I posted, been back from Afghanistan for about a month now and am now avidly searching for some work to get done to the wrx.

Its a silver 02, stock, 85K with all maintinance done to date. Driven all highway miles so the car; interior and exterior are all in pretty good shape. I want to get some general modifications done and there is a shop near where I live and I wanted to see if anyone thinks they had good ideas for what I want to do.

Speaking of which, all I really want to do is get some aftermarket power; exhaust, pipes, tune, and a couple small things here or there. Here is the e-mail I got when I inquired to a shop:

this is the recipe i like for 2 liter cars.....

full 3" exhaust, top feed pink injectors, STIturbocharger, high volume oil pump, custom tune (done by me) and double check the tensioner and idler pulleys while you have it apart for the oil pump. they are not as robust as the pulleys from the STI. we normally swap the idler and tensioner for STI units at the same time we do a timing belt (105k)

we sell and install everything listed, so if you need any help with your car, feel free to give "so and so" a call, and she can put together some figures for you based on what you decide to go with

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The shop is called "Turbo Time" and is located in Cary, NC just outside Raleigh. I have had zero experience with them but when I was referenced to their site by a friend it seems like they have an experienced staff.

I dont know if he is going to build the exhaust himself or if I will put in an aftermarket brand but with these options right here from what he says does it seem more like an STi conversion rather than an aftermarket build-up? Do you think these mods will make a huge difference in an 02 WRX or just so-so?

Im looking to achieve something with a little more edge than a WRX with STi part swap. Pretty much will this just end up being an STi with a tune?


If anyone has any input about this or the shop please offer up. The more infor the better. Thanks in advance

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Old 06-19-2009, 10:01 PM   #2
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Might want to check in your regional forums.....probably have better luck there.
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Old 06-19-2009, 10:45 PM   #3
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TBE & stage 2 AP or protune . Won't cost too much and you'll see a noticable difference. Happy moding
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Old 06-19-2009, 11:29 PM   #4
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Might want to check in your regional forums.....probably have better luck there.
Hopefully you can find a review or someone who has posted experience with said shop.

Also, with a bigger turbo you'll need a bigger fuel pump. New oil pump isn't required either but not a bad idea on a car pushing 100K miles.
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Old 06-20-2009, 12:28 AM   #5
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Old 06-20-2009, 05:55 PM   #6
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First of all, welcome to the site and congrats on making it home in one piece. Next, please fill out your profile and add things like where you live. There's Epic in Fayetteville (awesome shop with dyno and Robbie) and there's Turbo Time in Cary (also great shop, but much smaller and no dyno.) You should be tuned by Robbie regardless of who does the work on the car. And what do you mean you don't want a bugeye with STi power? That's an extra 75hp that you don't want?
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Old 06-20-2009, 06:50 PM   #7
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First of all, welcome to the site and congrats on making it home in one piece. Next, please fill out your profile and add things like where you live. There's Epic in Fayetteville (awesome shop with dyno and Robbie) and there's Turbo Time in Cary (also great shop, but much smaller and no dyno.) You should be tuned by Robbie regardless of who does the work on the car. And what do you mean you don't want a bugeye with STi power? That's an extra 75hp that you don't want?
what i was trying to say is that i dont want to spend the money to get the power of an STi. if i wanted that i would have got an STi. I want to take the car a little higher than the level of performance of an STi. i hope that makes sense... if not im terribly sorry for being confusing.

thanks for the welcome back btw... it feels good to be home
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Old 06-21-2009, 12:39 PM   #8
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What's your budget? You've got quite a few paths you could take.
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Old 06-21-2009, 06:50 PM   #9
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^^^.....and, what are you going to be doing with the car? Daily driver, autox, etc.?

You have 2.0L without avcs, so you're not going to get the same power delivery as an sti or a newer wrx. You can make more power than a stock or stage 2 sti, but it's going to be different. Less torque, more lag. I had a 20G on a '02 WRX motor and it made 316awhp on 93oct, but I didn't have full boost until 4300rpms or so. Before the 20G, I had the sti turbo (vf39) on the car, and I liked the 20G a lot better. If I were doing another WRX that I was going to be driving somewhat daily I think I would go with a 8cm 18G or something along those lines. You'll definitely want an exhaust and some sort of tuning. Your fuel needs will depend on what turbo you end up going with. But at least an sti fuel pump, maybe just go for the walbro. Also, at least a sti intercooler, if not an even bigger top mount. Buy your exhaust parts, uppipe, downpipe, and catback used, that will save you some money. You can get the fuel parts and intercooler used as well, but probably go with a new turbo unless you find a low mileage one. Also, if you're mechanically inclined, you can probably do most of the work yourself, especially if you can get together with some local subaru guys. Have fun!

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Old 06-21-2009, 09:21 PM   #10
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What's your budget? You've got quite a few paths you could take.

not extremely high but enough to do mid level performance options. I want to get the car started on the path to eventually be just a track car but i want something upgradeable from where I will have the car on the street without having to pull all the parts off i just bought...

its like this: if i put all the STi parts into the car, eventually when I want something more im going to have to pull most of the parts to upgrade them again. I would rather have good aftermarket parts that can stay on the car when I eventually get into more serious modifications.

its hard to explain... but bottom line is i want something with a little bit more POW than just swapping in STi parts.

Im also debating doing light mods and just doing a 2.5L build then dropping it in later. again... i dont know if this can be done realistically but ive heard of swaps into a previous 2.0L T.

Im going to Epic in Fayetteville tomorrow so I will see what they can do for me and discuss more options there. Thanks for the input, more is welcome, and I will let you know how the visit goes at epic

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Old 06-21-2009, 09:34 PM   #11
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^^^.....and, what are you going to be doing with the car? Daily driver, autox, etc.?

You have 2.0L without avcs, so you're not going to get the same power delivery as an sti or a newer wrx. You can make more power than a stock or stage 2 sti, but it's going to be different. Less torque, more lag. I had a 20G on a '02 WRX motor and it made 316awhp on 93oct, but I didn't have full boost until 4300rpms or so. Before the 20G, I had the sti turbo (vf39) on the car, and I liked the 20G a lot better. If I were doing another WRX that I was going to be driving somewhat daily I think I would go with a 8cm 18G or something along those lines. You'll definitely want an exhaust and some sort of tuning. Your fuel needs will depend on what turbo you end up going with. But at least an sti fuel pump, maybe just go for the walbro. Also, at least a sti intercooler, if not an even bigger top mount. Buy your exhaust parts, uppipe, downpipe, and catback used, that will save you some money. You can get the fuel parts and intercooler used as well, but probably go with a new turbo unless you find a low mileage one. Also, if you're mechanically inclined, you can probably do most of the work yourself, especially if you can get together with some local subaru guys. Have fun!

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thanks for the input

that is pretty much what I plan on doing. I havnt found anyone local to Goldsboro that mods subaru. I see a lot of Mistubishi and old nissan mods on the base here but im pretty much the only subaru driver here. so im trying to make friends its just hard :P

But what I planned on doing was buying exhaust, pipes (up/down), and getting a nice tune. from there what I wanted to do was upgrade my intercooler, intake, turbo, fuel pump and injectors, and oil pump along with any minor maintinace i need to get done. With a retune and dyno i should be able to see where I want to go with the car from there. (About the intake, i hard that the stock WRX intake can support 300hp is this true?)

Also... i dont know if its me still getting acustomed to the car, but it seems like first and second gear are starting to go south on me. but sometimes they respond great and other times they just flat out jerk and strut and its making me thing i might need a clutch replacement or even the tranny looked at. im not positive if the car has had the transmission serviced lately so i have to take that into consideratrion before i start throwing money into the motor.

im trying not to just hop into modding the car and am taking it very seriously and planning methodically. i plan on doing the exhaust as long as its a full system and no welding is required. i have access to a bay and lift as well as allthe tools i need to work on the car... just no welder

so yeah this is currently whats been ticking in my noggin... blah
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Old 06-21-2009, 10:09 PM   #12
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Well, I need an actual number for budget, because your idea of "not extremely high" may differ wildly from another's view. When you say "sti parts" what do you mean by that? Because if you plan on turbo/tmic upgrades for the 2L you're likely going to go the STi parts route with vf39, STi tmic and STi pink injectors. You'll make around 270whp on that setup which is respectable for the 2L and will feel like another car. But, if you want mid range/low end power you won't find it in the 2L without a quick spooling turbo like the stock one. People reoutinely swap an STi 2.5L motor into a bugeye, but you'll run into problems with the stock tranny once you get closer to the 300whp mark. And if you already think the tranny is having problems at stock levels, plan to budget for either a rebuilt tranny or a swap from another car. Things start getting expensive real quick though. If you want to build it for solely track duty than you need to rethink everything about the car b/c a track only car will be built MUCH differently from a daily driven car.

Talk to Robbie at Epic, he'll straighten you out.
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Old 06-21-2009, 11:07 PM   #13
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I ran a vf39 ( sti turbo ) , injectors, uppipe, turboback, fuel pump, turboback, and a tune. I had very little turbo lag and the car was faster than a stock STI.

You will need to do something about the transmission if you drive it hard. I had a ppg helical gearset after second gear went.

Stock clutch was fine and the stock wrx intercooler was barely adequate but it worked.
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Old 06-22-2009, 12:15 AM   #14
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Well, I need an actual number for budget, because your idea of "not extremely high" may differ wildly from another's view. When you say "sti parts" what do you mean by that? Because if you plan on turbo/tmic upgrades for the 2L you're likely going to go the STi parts route with vf39, STi tmic and STi pink injectors. You'll make around 270whp on that setup which is respectable for the 2L and will feel like another car. But, if you want mid range/low end power you won't find it in the 2L without a quick spooling turbo like the stock one. People reoutinely swap an STi 2.5L motor into a bugeye, but you'll run into problems with the stock tranny once you get closer to the 300whp mark. And if you already think the tranny is having problems at stock levels, plan to budget for either a rebuilt tranny or a swap from another car. Things start getting expensive real quick though. If you want to build it for solely track duty than you need to rethink everything about the car b/c a track only car will be built MUCH differently from a daily driven car.

Talk to Robbie at Epic, he'll straighten you out.
on this platform i have now without doing an engine swap... 10-12K im willing to invest into making it a more "fun" daily driver. thats for motor, outside, and inside. more motor work than anything though. I dont really want an uber awesome stereo system or redo the interior much. outside just rims and some minor asthetic upgrades. so a lot of that money i would like to put into the motor and drivetrain.

but from what a lot of people are telling me, i might just get some conservative stuff done to the subby and then just build a swap motor with what i plan on putting in the car anyways.

yes i do plan on getting things straight tomorrow. this way i will have a good route to follow for this car

thanks for the help guys and keep posting your ideas
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Old 06-22-2009, 11:34 AM   #15
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Since exhaust and UP/DP will likely carry over to a new swap, might as well just do stg 2 on this motor and build a 2.5L motor on the side. You could always just swap a stock STi motor and stg 2 that and be fine. Do you plan on 6sp tranny swap or JDM 5sp tranny?
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Old 06-22-2009, 11:48 AM   #16
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With that budget, including what you could sell the bugeye for, I would just buy an STI. By the time you swap in a 6spd, 2.5L block, other upgrades, you could have just started with the STI. You can get an 04-05 in the $15K range. That may not be what you want to do, just my opinion.

[sales pitch] Or you could just buy my wagon for $10,500, and swap all my performance parts into your sedan. Then put the stock parts on the wagon and sell it for $6-7K.[/sales pitch]
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We are closed on mondays and the phone has been blowign up while Im building a motor so sorry if you were trying to get ahold of me.

A stock sti on my dyno makes around 240whp, a tuned stage 2 sti is generally in the 300whp range, more if they want an aggressive tune.

A wrx generally makes in the 190whp range stock on our mustang dyno, with a stage 2 ( turbo back and intake) around 235ish,
With a 2.0 and a vf39,sti pink injectors, turboback, walbro 255 fp, and a sti or equivalent Topmount IC and a tune falling in the 280whp range. I canmake more out of it if you use an aftermarket header or port and polish the factory manifolds. Id also reccomend a catless up pipe such as the grimmspeed or Invidia.

You can run a bigger turbo like a vf22( currently on my car making 300whp @ 18psi) 18g works well at over 300 pretty easily but is alittle laggy. Or a 20g which is a bit more laggy.

You can make a quick car pretty cheap, or one just alittle faster for alot more money.

As for turbo time great guys! and Gals! I worked for them after the shop I was working for closed untill I was able to get our shop going. Very Dedicated, and knowledgable. they have 2 subaru master techs working there. and a very nice machine shop and we have a very good friendship and working relationship.

Welcome back from Afghanistan I had alot of fun there.

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