Suspension travel - why we preach so much

Turn in Concepts · 06-24-2009, 12:25 PM

Check out the video, and the on track footage of the car we ran in One Lap. This was taken during this past weekend's Redline Time Attack Round 3 at Autobahn. It's the second car in the video.

Notice how the tire stays on the surface instead of skipping, and how the body stays composed compared to the road surface (watch the sideskirt).

Redline Time Attack Round 3 Debrief Show - Car Videos on StreetFire

PARANOID56 · 06-24-2009, 12:49 PM

very very nice. some day i will have some of those coilovers

sti337 · 06-25-2009, 12:15 AM

Were they running VP import that day too???

williaty · 06-25-2009, 01:40 AM

Travel is important.

See: Clarkson offroading a Lotus Evora
See Also: Me passing car who's wheels cost more than my car and who's brakes cost more than my house.

Uncle Scotty · 06-25-2009, 03:25 AM

kiddies dont want to know **** about THIS kind of thing

they just wanna be k00

DHRDAN · 06-25-2009, 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Scotty

kiddies dont want to know **** about THIS kind of thing

they just wanna be k00

There is a difference between sarcasm and well, just being mean.

I'm not saying you're wrong.

But even jack brought home magic beans... and well didn't he climb the bean stalk????!!!

Kean · 06-25-2009, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DHRDAN

But even jack brought home magic beans... and well didn't he climb the bean stalk????!!!

....I'm assuming it is for those who believe in that sort of thing that this thread was intended.

Thanks for posting this. It gives a good visual representation of the points you (and others) continue to make.

Uncle Scotty · 06-25-2009, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DHRDAN

There is a difference between sarcasm and well, just being mean.
I'm not saying you're wrong.
But even jack brought home magic beans... and well didn't he climb the bean stalk????!!!

well....being just stupid is one thing....but having a LARGE body of voices telling someone one thing and having them do something else...is the kiddie way

always will be

and MANY of these cars get crashed because of this...the wrong parts bought and installed to be k00 and make the car handle poorly to the point of being a deathtrap---but the kiddies think it is a ****ing ricky racecar

...only serves to make those selling the **** parts rich, and ALL OF OUR ****ING INSURANCE RATES GO THROUGH THE ****ING ROOF.

and the rest of us become guilty by association with a gorup of stupid kids that just wannabe k00

now....i dont know how THAT makes YOU feel...but it knda pisses ME right the **** off...

there was none of this kind of fallout from a bag of beans

chazly413 · 06-25-2009, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Scotty

well....being just stupid is one thing....but having a LARGE body of voices telling someone one thing and having them do something else...is the kiddie way

always will be

and MANY of these cars get crashed because of this...the wrong parts bought and installed to be k00 and make the car handle poorly to the point of being a deathtrap---but the kiddies think it is a ****ing ricky racecar

...only serves to make those selling the **** parts rich, and ALL OF OUR ****ING INSURANCE RATES GO THROUGH THE ****ING ROOF.

and the rest of us become guilty by association with a gorup of stupid kids that just wannabe k00

now....i dont know how THAT makes YOU feel...but it knda pisses ME right the **** off...

there was none of this kind of fallout from a bag of beans

Hear, hear! I could not agree with Scotty more.

sigurd · 06-25-2009, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Scotty

kiddies dont want to know **** about THIS kind of thing

they just wanna be k00

awesome post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

STi-MAN · 06-25-2009, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Scotty

well....being just stupid is one thing....but having a LARGE body of voices telling someone one thing and having them do something else...is the kiddie way

always will be

and MANY of these cars get crashed because of this...the wrong parts bought and installed to be k00 and make the car handle poorly to the point of being a deathtrap---but the kiddies think it is a ****ing ricky racecar

...only serves to make those selling the **** parts rich, and ALL OF OUR ****ING INSURANCE RATES GO THROUGH THE ****ING ROOF.

and the rest of us become guilty by association with a gorup of stupid kids that just wannabe k00

now....i dont know how THAT makes YOU feel...but it knda pisses ME right the **** off...

there was none of this kind of fallout from a bag of beans

I'd like to see some videos of you on the track.. theres alot of bench racers on this forum that talk the talk but dont do crap out on the track.

Uncle Scotty · 06-25-2009, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STi-MAN

I'd like to see some videos of you on the track.. theres alot of bench racers on this forum that talk the talk but dont do crap out on the track.

you ****ing wanker

I'm ****ing smart enough NOT to track a street car or street a ****ing track car

so go **** yourself

STi-MAN · 06-25-2009, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Scotty

you ****ing wanker

I'm ****ing smart enough NOT to track a street car or street a ****ing track car

so go **** yourself

Hahah.. thanks. now i know what you say is useless.

tuskenraider · 06-25-2009, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STi-MAN

Hahah.. thanks. now i know what you say is useless.

Spending time in front of a keyboard being an internet blow hard consistently picking on the uninformed is easier than competing with others in person..............

Why his childish responses like the one above don't get him banned is beyond me.

240kat · 06-25-2009, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tuskenraider

Spending time in front of a keyboard being an internet blow hard consistently picking on the uninformed is easier than competing with others in person..............

Why his childish responses like the one above don't get him banned is beyond me.

uncle scotty is OG.

sniper1rfa · 06-25-2009, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tuskenraider

Why his childish responses like the one above don't get him banned is beyond me.

Here here!

Vaughn Performance · 06-25-2009, 08:28 PM

Congrats on the win guys!! Especially being that it was your first time out at RTA lol!!

Car looks super composed everywhere, even when you you have the little off through the grass it hardly seems unsettled at all lol! The suspension just flows over everything on the track. Maybe your win can help more people in that series realize that a well balanced and set up car can be seriously quick. And that drag car like power, and tires as wide as the rules allow is not the only way to set fast times.

Hope to see you guys down here in CA. at the end of the season!

-Anthony

Daishi00 · 06-25-2009, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STi-MAN

I'd like to see some videos of you on the track.. theres alot of bench racers on this forum that talk the talk but dont do crap out on the track.

WTF does this have to do with Scotty talking about nitwits on the street? Travel isn't just a track thing you know.

r3xor · 06-25-2009, 09:27 PM

That was awesome! Sweet times on street tires. Good luck in the rest of the series.

leecea · 06-25-2009, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sniper1rfa

Here here!

I agree. NASIOC would be a better place without him, but the mods leave him alone and I think he thrives on the attention his rude and pointless posts bring.

Back Road Runner · 06-25-2009, 10:35 PM

I went low for a while in my Forester. I used to run the AGX struts with Prodrive STI (05+) springs. I later went to D-Spec struts with RCE Wagon fronts plus Prodrive STI (05+) rears. I loved the handling of this setup, but it was too low for rally-x although I did "ice race" and rally-x once on this setup. Now I'm mimicking the setup but with more bump travel. I went to GC coils on the D-Specs, basically gained about 2" of clearance and bump travel, went up 25% on stiffness at 350F/250R lb/in to essentially max out the strut's adjustment range and aid roll stiffness with the raise. The added bump travel, despite the rise in stiffness, toned down the ride harshness a good bit over the bumpy stuff. You never really notice it until you can directly compare, but the car does actually use up a significant amount of suspension travel even when set stiffer and if low will bounce off the bump stops quite often. The inch or two you get with all these aftermarket spring options simply push the limit of what's really functional on roads and can become more problematic during sport driving and potentially annoying during daily use. The car as it is now is extremely user friendly and stable during the first couple auto-xes of the season, and a lot of it was simply from the gain in bump travel and re-centering the static ride height around the middle of the struts travel range. It just functions so much better.

It's tough to realize how problematic low can be unless you can compare back to back on setups and notice how very different the suspension functions over the same surfaces.

Uncle Scotty · 06-25-2009, 11:12 PM

buncha ****in idiots that even TRY to compare ANY track car to a street car

what we have her is childrern wanabe ricky racers that dont know **** that wanna BUY 'k00' and think they are k00 driving cars on the street that they spent a lot of $$$ on race car parts on thinking that it and they are k00

that is the very heart of all rice and the idiots that dont know the difference are just that....idiots

and there are WAY too many idiots around here and every other board

some of us are smart and experienced enough to laugh our asses off at these idiots...and some of us point out their stupidity to them and they get pissy

Who is getting pissy about being called a ricer, here???

Uncle Scotty · 06-25-2009, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daishi00

WTF does this have to do with Scotty talking about nitwits on the street? Travel isn't just a track thing you know.

and that is THE point

who is this ******* that comes in and throws the **** on the table here???

ME???

I think NOT

tuskenraider · 06-25-2009, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Scotty

buncha ****in idiots that even TRY to compare ANY track car to a street car Idiots, really. I wonder why many motorsports clubs have street tire classes with the intent to allow people to track their daily driven car, which then many times becomes a track car, or just remains both. Likely, there some relevent discussion there.
what we have her is childrern wanabe ricky racers that dont know **** that wanna BUY 'k00' and think they are k00 driving cars on the street that they spent a lot of $$$ on race car parts on thinking that it and they are k00

that is the very heart of all rice and the idiots that dont know the difference are just that....idiots I don't know, when you speak like the "idiots" you lothe, you don't look much better.

and there are WAY too many idiots around here and every other board Well one of the purposes of these forums is to educate the newer members, which guess what? WON'T BE KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THE SUBJECT THEY'RE ASKING ABOUT! Try what I do. Ignore the posts the irritate you, politely help those you find reasonable, instead of putting another notch in your belt.
some of us are smart and experienced enough to laugh our asses off at these idiots...and some of us point out their stupidity to them and they get pissy Well we can count on you to post whore every day letting them know you are smarter then them, MF'ing them, and then you expecting them to respond by kissing your behind.

Who is getting pissy about being called a ricer, here???
As a member of this forum I find it offensive to watch you continually break forum rules #4h, 7, 9, and 13 with abondon. If the weak moderators want to allow it, so be it, I'll do my best to ignore your cantankorous ramblings as I have in the past.

Great video.

ButtDyno · 06-25-2009, 11:58 PM

I noticed a 1/4" difference in ride height from the driver's seat, FWIW. When I went from 13.9" ish front to 13.6" front the ride got noticeably stiffer. This year I cut the bumpstops which helped a little, but it does not ride as well as it used to.

(Handles great, but also remember, I have almost most of an inch more travel than most folks because of my top mount camber plates)

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06-24-2009, 12:49 PM	#2
PARANOID56 Scooby Specialist Member#: 22035 Join Date: Jul 2002 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: San Diego, CA Vehicle: 2008 STI White	very very nice. some day i will have some of those coilovers

06-25-2009, 12:15 AM	#3
sti337 Scooby Newbie Member#: 199032 Join Date: Jan 2009 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: N. AZ Vehicle: 04 sti too dirty can't tell	Were they running VP import that day too???

06-25-2009, 01:40 AM	#4
williaty Scooby Guru Member#: 71092 Join Date: Sep 2004 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Delaware County, Ohio Vehicle: 2005 2.5RS Wagon Regal Blue Pearl	Travel is important. See: Clarkson offroading a Lotus Evora See Also: Me passing car who's wheels cost more than my car and who's brakes cost more than my house.

06-25-2009, 03:25 AM	#5
Uncle Scotty Scooby Guru Member#: 16200 Join Date: Mar 2002 Vehicle: tic- toc the countdown has started	kiddies dont want to know **** about THIS kind of thing they just wanna be k00

06-25-2009, 08:28 PM	#17
Vaughn Performance NASIOC Vendor Member#: 170489 Join Date: Jan 2008 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: Sun Valley Ca Vehicle: 2008 impreza wrx sti WRB	Congrats on the win guys!! Especially being that it was your first time out at RTA lol!! Car looks super composed everywhere, even when you you have the little off through the grass it hardly seems unsettled at all lol! The suspension just flows over everything on the track. Maybe your win can help more people in that series realize that a well balanced and set up car can be seriously quick. And that drag car like power, and tires as wide as the rules allow is not the only way to set fast times. Hope to see you guys down here in CA. at the end of the season! -Anthony

06-25-2009, 09:27 PM	#19
r3xor Scooby Newbie Member#: 188129 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Vehicle: 02 WRX Cobb Stg 2 Silver	That was awesome! Sweet times on street tires. Good luck in the rest of the series.

06-25-2009, 10:35 PM	#21
Back Road Runner Scooby Specialist Member#: 60082 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Minnesota Vehicle: 2002 Forester Blue	I went low for a while in my Forester. I used to run the AGX struts with Prodrive STI (05+) springs. I later went to D-Spec struts with RCE Wagon fronts plus Prodrive STI (05+) rears. I loved the handling of this setup, but it was too low for rally-x although I did "ice race" and rally-x once on this setup. Now I'm mimicking the setup but with more bump travel. I went to GC coils on the D-Specs, basically gained about 2" of clearance and bump travel, went up 25% on stiffness at 350F/250R lb/in to essentially max out the strut's adjustment range and aid roll stiffness with the raise. The added bump travel, despite the rise in stiffness, toned down the ride harshness a good bit over the bumpy stuff. You never really notice it until you can directly compare, but the car does actually use up a significant amount of suspension travel even when set stiffer and if low will bounce off the bump stops quite often. The inch or two you get with all these aftermarket spring options simply push the limit of what's really functional on roads and can become more problematic during sport driving and potentially annoying during daily use. The car as it is now is extremely user friendly and stable during the first couple auto-xes of the season, and a lot of it was simply from the gain in bump travel and re-centering the static ride height around the middle of the struts travel range. It just functions so much better. It's tough to realize how problematic low can be unless you can compare back to back on setups and notice how very different the suspension functions over the same surfaces.

06-25-2009, 11:12 PM	#22
Uncle Scotty Scooby Guru Member#: 16200 Join Date: Mar 2002 Vehicle: tic- toc the countdown has started	buncha **in idiots that even TRY to compare ANY track car to a street car what we have her is childrern wanabe ricky racers that dont know ** that wanna BUY 'k00' and think they are k00 driving cars on the street that they spent a lot of $$$ on race car parts on thinking that it and they are k00 that is the very heart of all rice and the idiots that dont know the difference are just that....idiots and there are WAY too many idiots around here and every other board some of us are smart and experienced enough to laugh our asses off at these idiots...and some of us point out their stupidity to them and they get pissy Who is getting pissy about being called a ricer, here???

06-25-2009, 11:58 PM	#25
ButtDyno Street's closed, pizza boy Member#: 17301 Join Date: Apr 2002 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Philadelphia, Andrewtech Vehicle: 1999 BMW ///M3 2003 WRX #7 STX	I noticed a 1/4" difference in ride height from the driver's seat, FWIW. When I went from 13.9" ish front to 13.6" front the ride got noticeably stiffer. This year I cut the bumpstops which helped a little, but it does not ride as well as it used to. (Handles great, but also remember, I have almost most of an inch more travel than most folks because of my top mount camber plates)