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Old 07-08-2009, 07:27 PM   #26
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I'd rather have the 3.90s wrx final drive for sure
The only thing you'd have to do there is recalculate for the correct wheel diameter. IMHO a PPG swap into a 5speed case is the way to go. Overall cost will be less and there is less involved. Downside is it's obviously gonna be a gear short and won't have a front LSD and DCCD
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Old 07-09-2009, 11:18 PM   #27
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225, 235, 245 by 40 or 45s on a 17 or 18 inch wheel are nice tires for the 3.90s I looked into doing a 1-4 PPG set and it actually was more expensive haha. Reason being is 1-2 will hold power, but 3 and maybe 4 too wont hold it, so ya grenade a gear and the teeth go through ur PPG 1 and 2 and oop, there goes 10,000 in repair and new gears! STI 6 speed is the way to go IMHO

But hey, to each their own I guess! lol
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Old 07-10-2009, 02:25 PM   #28
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225, 235, 245 by 40 or 45s on a 17 or 18 inch wheel are nice tires for the 3.90s I looked into doing a 1-4 PPG set and it actually was more expensive haha. Reason being is 1-2 will hold power, but 3 and maybe 4 too wont hold it, so ya grenade a gear and the teeth go through ur PPG 1 and 2 and oop, there goes 10,000 in repair and new gears! STI 6 speed is the way to go IMHO

But hey, to each their own I guess! lol
As far as I know PPGs don't have a breakage issue on ANY of their gears till you hit 450 + AWTQ Do yourself a favor and contact Andrew or Dan from Andrewtechautomotive. They're in Gaithersburb Md. They are the Subie trans experts on the east coast BAR NONE. They'll swap in anything you want or build and ship if you're far away. Did you know that PPG makes upgrade gears for the STI 6 speed too? There is a 12 grand dog box setup for the six speed. (overkill imho) The best thing about those guys is they will be straight with you on the best performance and cost effective setup for customers on a case by case basis. I swear it'll be worth the call. Tell them that Baja Rob from Allentown referred you. I had the techs at work do the install and the gears were effed up. Those two took a day off in the middle of the week to drive 3 hours 1 way to bring another gearset and rebuild it here.
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Old 07-10-2009, 04:50 PM   #29
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Hey qmania Getting my baja back tomorrow. Fingers crossed it's in good shape, just wondering where you're at with the swap. I'm really liking the idea of a 6speed and lowring the rpm's on the highway maybe save a little gas.. and it'd be just damn cool.
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Old 07-10-2009, 09:55 PM   #30
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As far as I know PPGs don't have a breakage issue on ANY of their gears till you hit 450 + AWTQ Do yourself a favor and contact Andrew or Dan from Andrewtechautomotive. They're in Gaithersburb Md. They are the Subie trans experts on the east coast BAR NONE. They'll swap in anything you want or build and ship if you're far away. Did you know that PPG makes upgrade gears for the STI 6 speed too? There is a 12 grand dog box setup for the six speed. (overkill imho) The best thing about those guys is they will be straight with you on the best performance and cost effective setup for customers on a case by case basis. I swear it'll be worth the call. Tell them that Baja Rob from Allentown referred you. I had the techs at work do the install and the gears were effed up. Those two took a day off in the middle of the week to drive 3 hours 1 way to bring another gearset and rebuild it here.
Ya I know their gears are ridiculously strong, I was just saying if you only did first and second PPG gears and broke a stock third or fourth, the teeth would go through your brand new PPG ones and grind them all to hell. Ya I talked to him about the STI dog box and was like damn sweet! But way to out of budget ha. But ya man, I have only heard good things about them. I had talked to andrew a few weeks back, talked about the options and everything but realized that for what I want, the 6MT is a better choice, and it would actually turn out a tad cheaper!

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Hey qmania Getting my baja back tomorrow. Fingers crossed it's in good shape, just wondering where you're at with the swap. I'm really liking the idea of a 6speed and lowring the rpm's on the highway maybe save a little gas.. and it'd be just damn cool.
What happened to it? ..Forgive me if you already explained and I missed it. I am at the point where everything is paypalled and being shipped to me as we speak. I should have everything by the end of next week! Then friday (assuming I have everything) I am going to call back ECS Perfomance and schedule a time slot for the install. After adding up all the pricing I got everything (parts only) for about 4,400

It's so expensive only because I'm swapping from a 4EAT and doing a few extra things, with just the basics it would come to about 3500 with good deals.

What would you be swapping from? (assuming its in a baja? lol) It will drop the rpms a tad yeah, so in essence it will save a little gas for those coming from a 5MT and HELL OF A LOT swapping from a 4EAT. I'll be getting about 3-5 more mpg because of the better gear ratios and the less driveline loss it also means about 40 more whp! and hell yeah its cool as hell!

If anyone on here is interested PM mw with that you're swapping from and I can PM you what is needed.

The walkthrough is going to take a little while because there is soooo much detail involved. Also because I don't quite have all the necessary knowledge.. yet. as soon as it's done, I'll post. You guys juts have to vote for a sticky!
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Old 07-11-2009, 05:40 PM   #31
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^ Turbo Baja 5th gear ratio is 0.738.
2006 Sti 6th gear ratio is 0.756.
That would be turning HIGHER RPM than the 5 spd.
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Old 07-11-2009, 06:19 PM   #32
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that is true for engine speed, but the differential ratios are lower. That would put the car at a faster speed at the same engine speed. For instance a WRX (5 speed) engine speed at 3000RPM .738 gear ratio with 3.545 diffs is 65MPH Now take an STI engine speed 3000 RPM, .756 gearing with 3.90 rear diffs puts the car at 69MPH So theoretically it would be more mpg, but then you take aerodynamics and all that so it would probably be negligible. If youre thinking about doing thr swap for fuel economy. Don't do it
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Old 07-11-2009, 07:27 PM   #33
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^ The Turbo Baja"s have 4.44 diff. gearing. I know that mine turns 23 MPH per thousand RPM in 5th. 3000 RPM is 69 MPH with stock size tires. When I had my trans rebuilt I looked into getting a taller5th gear to improve my highway mileage. The taller gear is made out of nonexistium!
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Old 07-11-2009, 08:03 PM   #34
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4.44 with the 4EAT. and hahaha nonexistium, I loled at that! so we have come to the conclusioon thattttt no gain is to be had ha.
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Old 07-12-2009, 12:51 PM   #35
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nonexistium, NICE haha. That Aside it might help a little, at a minimum it won't hurt which is more important.. oh and the fun factor of having the 6.
Does the N/A baja have enough power to drive the 6?
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Old 07-12-2009, 12:55 PM   #36
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ha the fun factor is DEFINITELY there! I love driving it in my brothers stage 2 07 STI. as for thr N/A baja having enough power I would say so... I mean its a hard question to answer, it WILL have enough power but it might slow ya down a little bit. but then again it might not. It's all about driveline loss and idk if the 6 speed puts that much more loss in the equation.
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Old 07-13-2009, 05:58 PM   #37
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If u find a wrecked wrx u can pull everything from that all the bajas use the same manual transmission from all wrxs 04 and up the bugeye transmission had sti ra gearing in random models U could even put the sti six speed if u wanted to but the 5spd is better suited for everything and u wouldn't need a cluster in all it would be easier to paint a car than swap trannys so it's ur call
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also the bajas and 2.5 gt's have almost nothing on common the bajas are most closley related to the 04-05 sti motor with an 06-07 setup td04, small intercooler, with the same tranny as 04-07, and highly detuned making only 11 pounds of boost from the factory
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I'd rather have the 3.90s wrx final drive for sure
Seriously, we have to get you to start using punctuation, capitals and the rest of the goodies that us big boys use.... Sentence structure is a GOOD thing!

Please try it as your posts are HARD to read and hurt the last few cells I have left!
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Seriously, we have to get you to start using punctuation, capitals and the rest of the goodies that us big boys use.... Sentence structure is a GOOD thing!

Please try it as your posts are HARD to read and hurt the last few cells I have left!
I would if I was ever on a computer but I'm always on my phone as I have no Internet connection so sry
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I would if I was ever on a computer but I'm always on my phone as I have no Internet connection so sry
No wonder you write as if you are texting.

seriously... Get yo ass to a keyboard. Regular typing will get you respect, TXT-speak will have you treated like a 12yr old kid.
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Old 07-14-2009, 12:41 AM   #40
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I post often from my iphone often, yet I type exactly like I do on my computer. Please take the time to make your posts not sound like you're texting your bff Jill. This "glass" tranny thing is also rather annoying. There's more issues with engine failure in the last few years than there has been transmissions grenading.
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No wonder you write as if you are texting.

seriously... Get yo ass to a keyboard. Regular typing will get you respect, TXT-speak will have you treated like a 12yr old kid.
Why do I need respect..... I have my views opinions and facts if you don't wanna listen to them it doesn't hurt me
And to benhart21 compared to other cars Subaru trannys are "glass" put any kind of power to a Subaru ( more than stock ) and you risk blowing a gear
subie stock trannys are a bit of a joke and i'd like to know what u base ur statement, of more engine failure than trannys blowing, on?
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Why do I need respect..... I have my views opinions and facts if you don't wanna listen to them it doesn't hurt me
And to benhart21 compared to other cars Subaru trannys are "glass" put any kind of power to a Subaru ( more than stock ) and you risk blowing a gear
subie stock trannys are a bit of a joke and i'd like to know what u base ur statement, of more engine failure than trannys blowing, on?
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So glad you approve. ^^^
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you have won 4 internets today.
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Qmania any progress?
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Old 07-20-2009, 11:46 PM   #46
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Qmania any progress?
Indeed! It is almoooost done. A few finishing touches, a few reserved posts and it will be good to go tomorrow, if not then wednesday. It has a lot of info given to me from quite a few sources, as soon as it is done I will be sure to post the link in here! If you guys have any special requirements let me know and I will make sure to include it!
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Old 08-03-2009, 05:56 PM   #47
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any word? .. again
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Old 08-03-2009, 06:43 PM   #48
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haha yeah I'm waiting tho, because I found some info to add to it that I would have missed and a few things I found that were wrong and would have been bad if I posted it and someone went on that information. I'm on vacation actually now in the Caribbean sippin on some Coronas with lime so I haven't been doing too much, is there anything in particular that you want included steve? Again, sorry about all the delays, its just a looooot of info.
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Old 08-04-2009, 11:18 AM   #49
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nothing in paricular but just looking at overall waht i'd need from the 5sp to the 6. Which tran did you use? Does it have the DCCD contol?
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okay, yeah that will be in there for sure. I used an 04 STI tranny, of course it does have the DCCD capabilitiys, I am going to leave it unconnected (open) because I dont want to hassle with the Neetronics controller or do any wiring harness merging. To all people looking to do an STI tranny swap, I do NOT recommend doing an 04 or an 05 6 speed as finding a "3.90ed" R160 is quite difficult. I HGHLY reccommnd doing an 06 or an 07 6 speed because the required rear dif is 3.545 which is that of (I think all)2002 - 2005 WRXs. So those are a dime a dozen to find. Of course being basically the pioneer of this swap in an auto baja it is quite difficult finding all the right parts. Any other questions let me know!
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