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Old 06-30-2009, 06:07 AM   #1
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Default what is that... a forester? """GF8 swap"""

some guy at the shop said that today... i thought it was funny, it is forester green i guess.




im just about to dive into the motor/wiring swap tomorrow. my friends and i already did the transmission. heres the leftover parts... anybody want a full 1.8 drivetrain & motor lemme know.

and some of the new parts... ill try to work on my photo skills




i shoulda documented better, i got too excited and forgot about the camera
im swapping bugeye guts and a turbo leg block (yeah closed deck!) ill try to update this as parts go on... and come off... and go back on again.
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:02 PM   #2
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so you are dropping a fxt drivetrain into a GF8???
I have a few posts on here asking about that swap, I have been pondering doing it and throwing ppg's in the 4.44 tranny. keep us updated
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:31 PM   #3
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so you are dropping a fxt drivetrain into a GF8???
I have a few posts on here asking about that swap, I have been pondering doing it and throwing ppg's in the 4.44 tranny. keep us updated
Check his post again...He is swapping in Bugeye WRX bits and using a Legacy 2.2T closed deck block.

4.44 Cars are a lot of fun...my buddy has a v.6 STi 4.44 in his swapped RS.
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Old 07-05-2009, 08:14 PM   #4
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well i got my nifty jdm rear hatch installed along with rear 06 2pots. im curently removing the dash in favor of either a wrx dash (which i have but requires a good amount of modification), or a 2.5 rs dash, if someone wants to trade.

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Old 07-08-2009, 04:53 PM   #5
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Yo dood!
It's Erik...
You gonna use that clutch?
Will it work?
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Old 07-18-2009, 03:06 PM   #6
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Yo dood!
It's Erik...
You gonna use that clutch?
Will it work?
i wish i could for sure, the model numbers from a 2.5 rs so its a lil too small... its just chillin @ the shop now. ima b back tmrw morning and gonna b painting the engine bay when i return. hit me up, you should stop by!
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Old 07-18-2009, 09:48 PM   #7
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You gonna be there MOnday?
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Old 08-06-2009, 05:17 PM   #8
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so ive been in cali for a while and havnt been able to post as much as i wanted to. we got the engine bay painted. it took a lot of work, my friend and i had acces to a pro paint set up but no experience mixing colors. ive known what i wanted for a while but have been unable to find the color. so this was the process...

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Old 08-06-2009, 05:32 PM   #9
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if youve never removed a vin plate its a really wrong feeling but i needed to paint so off it came.

theres a few of the progress. the dope thing about self etching primer is you dont have to get all the way to bare metal, it will adhere to almost anything so long as its free of dirt and grease.



so that had about a week to dry, not that it needed it, i was out of town. when i came back my homie and i tried our hand at paint mixing and painting. heres our ghetto paint booth.

this was the 1st color we made... i wasnt a fan...


so it came out super copper
i was looking for the color rays makes their bronze wheels. which the paint code for is a well kept secret. so we went back to the mixing table.... the next color came out like a sparkle green. i was frustrated and anoyed.... i didnt know what to do.
so were sitting there and i decide to mix the 2 colors together...
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Old 08-06-2009, 05:33 PM   #10
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PRESTO!!! we hit the color right on the nose. just like everyone says, "the pictures dont do it justice" i dont know if its exactly the same as rays but i love it. it exceded my expectations. feel free to leave any coments on what you guys think of it.


we sprayed one of my prodrives just for fun... they were a crappy flatblack anyways.
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Old 08-06-2009, 05:38 PM   #11
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its pretty amazing how the color changes with light. it really has a lot of dynamics. the shadows are super deep and when the light hits it its really pearly and bright. anyways im super amped on the color and now i can start putting the wiring harness in. i also installed the new cross member.

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the alluminum really looked good after about 30 seconds with a wire brush.
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Old 08-06-2009, 05:48 PM   #12
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so i read a thread about cleaning and painting brembo brakes. all the information in the tread was really helpfull except the part about using compressed air to clear out the fluid. i tried it and one of the pistons flew out with an amazing amount of force. im have to go to subaru and have em put it back in for me. i was thinking of a titanium metallic for the calipers... what do you guys think?
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Old 08-06-2009, 08:22 PM   #13
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PRESTO!!! we hit the color right on the nose. just like everyone says, "the pictures dont do it justice" i dont know if its exactly the same as rays but i love it. it exceded my expectations. feel free to leave any coments on what you guys think of it.


we sprayed one of my prodrives just for fun... they were a crappy flatblack anyways.
In addition I could use a fuel pump with electrical connecter for my 93 impreza ru...let me know. John
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Old 08-06-2009, 11:21 PM   #14
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so i read a thread about cleaning and painting brembo brakes. all the information in the tread was really helpfull except the part about using compressed air to clear out the fluid. i tried it and one of the pistons flew out with an amazing amount of force. im have to go to subaru and have em put it back in for me. i was thinking of a titanium metallic for the calipers... what do you guys think?
You should beable to push the capliper cylinder in by hand. I've rebuilt my 4-pots for my RS and they just slide in. Mind you the caliper was split so that may have made it easier.
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Old 08-07-2009, 06:49 AM   #15
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Check the piston for nicks and lube it up so you don't tear the seal. Be glad it didn't shoot out onto your finger. Hopefully you remember to never spray air into the calipers ever again!!!

Looks good!
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Old 08-08-2009, 10:34 PM   #16
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In addition I could use a fuel pump with electrical connecter for my 93 impreza ru...let me know. John
what r u talking about?
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Old 08-10-2009, 10:51 PM   #17
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still have that 1.8 drivetrain? i'll take it off your hands... if you need any help with the swap let me know, i'm in portland too
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Old 08-17-2009, 01:19 AM   #18
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already sold the 1.8. were gonna be finishing up all this week if ya wanna come help out youre welcome to.
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Old 08-29-2009, 05:11 AM   #19
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well its been a while since my last update on my project and alot changed. the progress of things was really coming along pretty well and the goal of driving to WCSS was looking great. unfortunatly there was a pretty signifigant snag in the way which ill get to later that froze the progress.

on a good note i did get somestuff rolling

andrew and i got the harness a lil wired up, just running the wires throughout the car where theyll live. were doing a full harness swap, dash included. knowing what i know now i realize why a full harness swap is NOT easier than a merge. although if your updating the dash and dont mind or have reason to pull the whole car apart then its not that big a deal



also the new crossmember is installed



the heater core didnt want to fit all snug where it should, actually it didnt want to fit at all. we cut a oval in the firewall to acomidate the antifreeze that flows into the core. if you were installing ac you would also put another oval on the other side of the firewall but i skipped that.



theres no way to paint to it but its the hole just right of the clutch arm that was cut. i found it was just barely too tight of a fit so removing the sound deadening did the trick.

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Old 08-29-2009, 05:25 AM   #20
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the next challenge was to make the dash fit. even though to the naked eye, both the 93 and 02 dash bar look like they use the same mounting points. they dont. they are close though, and through a happy accident it worked pretty good. in the 1st picture, what look like the closest holes to the camera are actally 2 cut off studs. these were removed and saved in order to re weld them. if you remove all 4 studs from both sides then the bar will mount with 2 out of four holes on either side.
then youll also need to remove the pointy peices of plastic from the back of the dash in order to snug the dash against the windshield.



these next 2 photos show how the dash beam bolts to either side. if i were to do this again i would make a diagram of the holes/ studs on the unibody. then id like up the rear 2 holes on the dash beam with the dagram and just drill 2 new holes so i could use all 4 stock mounting points from the body.




we left the dash out since theres alot of wiring to b done still
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Old 08-29-2009, 06:17 AM   #21
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i also got most everything back from the machine shops. instead of a 2.2 which is my favorite motor im going with a 2.5 sti block. that might change in the future but i had a 2.5 availible so i rolled with that. it had a bad rod bearing... big surprise! sooooo i had the crank polished and got new bearings from bearing services in portland oregon. these guys are super legit and do really quality work.



the block was honed and resurfaced


then i got the heads back from cylinder head specialties. they had 7-8 hours of port and polishing done prior to being dropped off.

THIS IS WHERE THE NIGHTMARE BEGAN. we recieved the heads and they LOOKED really nice at first glance. now i havent done too much more than bolt on mods so this kind of thing is new to me. they were supost to do a resurfacing, and a valve job...



they had a weird king of sparkly look to them which my engine asembler imediatly noticed... it looked just like theyd been glassbead blasted.

he said we'd wait to put the heads on till we knew what it was. so the next day he called GREG @ CYLINDER HEAD SPECIALTIES
he said it was a special paint...

WHAT? like i said, i dont build engines but i do know that you shouldnt have paint where your oil is. so he askes "what type of paint?"
"a special paint formulated for drive trains"
"who makes that"
"xxx company"

so my buddy is suspecious like he should be with his level of experience and calls "xxx" paint company.
they tell him the make no such product.

another colige of his calls, and the owner of cylinder head specialties gives the same lie.

so now im brought into the situation and call the guy from the shop. greg says, "youre the 3rd guy to call why dont you bring them in and well remove the paint." so ibring them in and drop them off...
an hour later i go to pick them up, theyre brought out by the shop foreman. i say thanks, and ask what was up with the paint.
"well they were media blasted"
"what? i thought it was paint"
"no we dont paint out heads"

so now im feeling incomfortable with this whole deal because i dont like being lied to

i take a closer look and see theyve done an unconsistant job on the cam journals and thyve only done some of the valve journals. im livid, it looks like **** and my engine guy says no way, its not even as good as stock.

i go back again tell this guy hes really bumming me out and i very disapointed in the quality of work, he says hell fix it.

he does a crappy looking job again and tells me thats as good as it gets.

unfortunatly the blasting was everywhere, including the cam journals. thats not good because when you blast you remove material and since theres very tight tolerences this is worring me

we decide to bolt the heads up and check clearences... they dont look good... i call the owner greg

"hey dude, these heads might b ruined due to all the material removed"
"no theyre fine"
"what? we just measured them and theyre out of subaru tolerances"
"well theyre remanufacured that happens"
"no, it doesnt, theres been material removed by your actions..."
"no we didnt remove any material"
"you media blasted the whole valve train..."
"im through talking about this....click"

so i take the heads to bearing services who looks at them, discused tolerences and is going to double check everything and see what can b done.

i call greg again and tell him i have a 3rd party involved thats measuring/ documenting the situation. i let him know,
"if they are repairable im going to chalk it up to a bad call and well never do business again. but if you have ruined these beyond repair youll be hearing from me."
he interupts and says
"you have to give him a chance to reapair them"
"greg, i already gave you 2 chances. im not letting you touch anything. im just calling to tell you this information"

sometime in the middle of my last sentence he hung up the phone.

not only does CYLINDER HEAD SPECIALTIES PORTLAND OREGON do really bad work. but they also lie to customers. the owner is incredibly hard to work with. and they do not adhere to what i have learned are professional standards of machining.
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on a plus note the shortblock went together amazing



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Old 08-29-2009, 06:23 AM   #23
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i test fit some parts from my old wrx and theyre gonna work awesome.

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Old 08-29-2009, 06:30 AM   #24
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they tophats from the coilovers were from a different model... my homie sugjested i just drill some new holes to acomidate them. at first i was super opposed to this and thought it was a bad idea... then i looked a lil closer ate the structure and realized its literally just one more hole so i did it and i think it came out great



i also finally got rid of the hill holder in the brake line... i have no idea why i hated it so much but now its gone. i went to u pull it and found a legacy with no abs and no hill climb holder and took the lines and master cylinder... it was $6.40 and fit right in

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pretty stoked on the brakes too. i decided to hold off on a pro style job so i just painted the rears black. i also took some medal off the rear calliper to smothe the lines. i acomplished my goal of not looking too mismatched





did a mock up of the bumper, its amazing how much better the newer ones look. this will do the job untill i find a newer one.



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