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Old 06-15-2015, 09:38 PM   #1
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Default DC Speeding Cam Ticket: What to do?

So on Friday I got a lovely set of pics in the mail of my car doing 48 in a 35 zone at the 3rd Street Tunnel. It was a work zone so the fine was doubled to $200.00.

I have no argument with the ticket, they got me dead to rights. But I'm wondering if others have experience with pleading a ticket under similar circumstances in the District. In VA, I've shown up to the hearing and agreed on the spot to plead a speeding ticket down to something dumb like not obeying a traffic sign. Could I expect something similar at the walk in hearings on photo enforcement?

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Old 06-15-2015, 09:52 PM   #2
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It's not a speeding ticket. It's a civil violation (fine, like a parking ticket). You don't get points. They can't tell who was driving the car, but the registered vehicle owner is responsible for the citation, unless they can prove otherwise.

http://dmv.dc.gov/page/adjudication-...es-information
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Old 06-15-2015, 10:03 PM   #3
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It's not a speeding ticket. It's a civil violation (fine, like a parking ticket). You don't get points. They can't tell who was driving the car, but the registered vehicle owner is responsible for the citation, unless they can prove otherwise.

http://dmv.dc.gov/page/adjudication-...es-information

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Legal Defenses to Parking Tickets

District of Columbia law (Official Code Section 50-2303.5 (a) (2)) provides seven (7) defenses for parking violations:

1. You were not the owner or lessee of the cited vehicle at the time of the infraction;

2. The cited vehicle or its state registration plates were stolen at the time of the violation;

3. The relevant signs prohibiting or restricting parking were missing or obscured;

4. The relevant parking meter was inoperable or malfunctioned through no fault of the Appellant; or

5. The facts alleged on the parking violation notice are inconsistent or do not support a finding that the specified regulation was violated;

6. The vehicle was suddenly mechanically disabled; provided that the vehicle was removed as soon as practicable, or

7. The operator suddenly needed immediate medical assistance (proof of medical attention required).



Your parking ticket can be dismissed only if one of these seven defenses is successfully raised. You should provide evidence to support your defense at the time of your hearing or when you submit your mail adjudication or online adjudication request.
So I am pretty much screwed unless I can do a good job of proving #3.
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Old 06-15-2015, 10:41 PM   #4
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just pay it and keep it moving.
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Old 06-15-2015, 10:52 PM   #5
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They can't legally fine a vehicle for going over the speed limit no matter how much they'd like to think they can. I've had a few in the past and have sent in a letter explaining that I don't remember who was driving the vehicle that day and I'd like they to correctly fine the individual responsible for the fine. Needless to say all my fines ever have been dropped because they can't correctly identify the driver. This is why California has a separate photo for the driver.
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Old 06-15-2015, 10:53 PM   #6
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^^^^ sucks tho
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:17 PM   #7
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They can't legally fine a vehicle for going over the speed limit no matter how much they'd like to think they can. I've had a few in the past and have sent in a letter explaining that I don't remember who was driving the vehicle that day and I'd like they to correctly fine the individual responsible for the fine. Needless to say all my fines ever have been dropped because they can't correctly identify the driver. This is why California has a separate photo for the driver.
You've got a point there since who ever is driving the vehicle is responsible for it and all its contents (MD). But then again, its the registered owners responsibility to know who they let drive their vehicle. In the end, the camera is citing the vehicle owner because they are the registered owner, so they are assuming it was you; hence the no points portion since they can't put you behind the wheel. Remember, driving is a privilege. With that being said you have to abide with all of the rules of the road where ever you're driving.
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:45 PM   #8
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I too received a ticket for $300 for going 45mph on a 25mph.
I wrote a letter back stating that the fine was too expensive, and request that the fine be dropped. A week later $300 --> $0.00 =)
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Old 06-16-2015, 05:37 AM   #9
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I too received a ticket for $300 for going 45mph on a 25mph.
I wrote a letter back stating that the fine was too expensive, and request that the fine be dropped. A week later $300 --> $0.00 =)
I like this idea.
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Old 06-16-2015, 05:39 AM   #10
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You've got a point there since who ever is driving the vehicle is responsible for it and all its contents (MD). But then again, its the registered owners responsibility to know who they let drive their vehicle. In the end, the camera is citing the vehicle owner because they are the registered owner, so they are assuming it was you; hence the no points portion since they can't put you behind the wheel. Remember, driving is a privilege. With that being said you have to abide with all of the rules of the road where ever you're driving.
In the end, though, what is really happening is you're being found guilty without the due process of law that you're entitled to.
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Old 06-16-2015, 02:00 PM   #11
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In the end, though, what is really happening is you're being found guilty without the due process of law that you're entitled to.
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Old 06-16-2015, 05:29 PM   #12
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Well, it seems in this case the only thing you can really do is bend over, grab your ankles and hold on tight!
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Old 06-16-2015, 05:55 PM   #13
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When a police officer uses his radar gun to clock your speed and then pulls you over and writes you a ticket for speeding you get a court date. A chance to defend yourself in court as afforded by the Bill of Rights of the Constitution of the United States of America.

When you get a camera speeding ticket, you get a "pay this much by this time" notice. No court date. No recourse, really.

It's totally what it means, which is why when some of the above people have written in to the company issuing the fine the fine gets dropped. They provided you with proof that your ***car*** was speeding, but not necessarily that ***you*** were speeding, unless they have front cameras to grab a picture of the driver, too. It wouldn't stand in court if the company entered its evidence: "here is a picture of the vehicle in question speeding at such and such a speed over the limit." Then your defense would be: "this image does not prove that it was ***ME*** that was speeding, I had loaned my car to my friend that day." Or some such nonsense.

Last edited by DUBL URX; 06-16-2015 at 05:56 PM. Reason: Cops don't use radar detectors, we do. They use radar guns. And you loan a car to a friend, not load it.
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Old 06-16-2015, 06:05 PM   #14
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Old 06-16-2015, 06:21 PM   #15
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When a police officer uses his radar gun to clock your speed and then pulls you over and writes you a ticket for speeding you get a court date. A chance to defend yourself in court as afforded by the Bill of Rights of the Constitution of the United States of America.

When you get a camera speeding ticket, you get a "pay this much by this time" notice. No court date. No recourse, really.
from your website:


notice the section "directions for answering", which also includes "appear for an in-person hearing", and gives additional options of adjudication by mail or online.

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Old 06-16-2015, 09:05 PM   #16
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from your website:


notice the section "directions for answering", which also includes "appear for an in-person hearing", and gives additional options of adjudication by mail or online.

If you read all the way to the bottom you would have noticed that by simply sending in a letter asking for proof that he was the driver he got the whole ticket/fine thrown out.
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:03 PM   #17
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I'm glad you find this page as an authority on the law. However, you are still incorrect regarding due process in this situation.

Also, it's generally a very bad idea to give legal advice unless you are qualified to.
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Old 06-18-2015, 06:49 AM   #18
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Send a letter QUICKLY stating that they please identify the driver so he can pay the fine, or to drop the fine altogether.

These leeches just make money off scared people that freak out when they see the "Maryland" word on a letter.
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:29 AM   #19
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Ive luckily only recieved 1 DC ticket, wife was driving.. I just paid it and moved on. No points, just redicilous. I work in the District, use WAZE which repots the nazi speed cameras and never speed. Im "That" jerk always doing the speed limit, but im not giving the "wanna be state" no mo of my money.
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Old 06-18-2015, 09:00 AM   #20
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Local paper ran a story this week about red-light tickets. Similar to these speeding tickets you're pretty much just screwed.

http://www.delawareonline.com/story/...luck/28873197/
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Old 06-18-2015, 09:36 AM   #21
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When a police officer uses his radar gun to clock your speed and then pulls you over and writes you a ticket for speeding you get a court date. A chance to defend yourself in court as afforded by the Bill of Rights of the Constitution of the United States of America.

When you get a camera speeding ticket, you get a "pay this much by this time" notice. No court date. No recourse, really.

It's totally what it means, which is why when some of the above people have written in to the company issuing the fine the fine gets dropped. They provided you with proof that your ***car*** was speeding, but not necessarily that ***you*** were speeding, unless they have front cameras to grab a picture of the driver, too. It wouldn't stand in court if the company entered its evidence: "here is a picture of the vehicle in question speeding at such and such a speed over the limit." Then your defense would be: "this image does not prove that it was ***ME*** that was speeding, I had loaned my car to my friend that day." Or some such nonsense.
Every camera ticket I've ever gotten gives you the option to pay or request a court date. Go to court and claim you weren't driving, the judge ask you who was? You say I don't remember and and the judge says pay the fine, court cost, whatever. I know of no one that has beat a camera ticket by writing a letter and will not believe it until i see proof.
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Old 06-18-2015, 03:52 PM   #22
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The issue with speed cameras and stop light cameras is twofold. It's every citizen's constitutional right to face their accuser. I can't imagine the inanimate camera showing up to court. The second problem is that the burden of the legal system is to prove a person's guilt, rather than assume it.

These cameras have been documented as nothing more than revenue generators. Their impact on curbing traffic violations is minimal in many cities.
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Old 06-20-2015, 10:42 AM   #23
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How about you just do the posted speed limit? That would eliminate the ticket guaranteed haha
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Old 06-20-2015, 11:28 AM   #24
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How about you just do the posted speed limit? That would eliminate the ticket guaranteed haha
...have you ever tried going the posted speed limit in NoVA? It usually doesn't go well for anyone. I'm not taking about driving like a dick, but going with traffic (although I suppose in the minds of some that amounts to the same thing).

If you go the posted speed limit, please, for the love of everything good in this world, stay in the right lane to do so.
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Old 06-20-2015, 04:19 PM   #25
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...have you ever tried going the posted speed limit in NoVA? It usually doesn't go well for anyone. I'm not taking about driving like a dick, but going with traffic (although I suppose in the minds of some that amounts to the same thing).

If you go the posted speed limit, please, for the love of everything good in this world, stay in the right lane to do so.
Stay so far in the right lane that you're forced to take the next available exit. You've obviously got nowhere to be so taking the back roads won't hurt you at all, right! Joking of course but I do believe that highway driving should be a special class after REGULAR driver's education. Same with SUVs, pickups, and mini vans.
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