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Old 10-15-2009, 04:11 PM   #51
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+1 for the internet making MasterKwan's wisdom available to all.

Started experiencing power steering problems about six weeks ago - right after an engine block replacement. I figured the p/s pump was damaged when the block let go (that's another story), and wasn't looking forward to another big bill.

Well, thanks to this thread, 4 worm-screw hose clamps and $4.66 later, problem solved.

For those who want to try this: the large hose needs 1 inch (25mm) diameter clamps, while the smaller hose requires at least 3/4 inch (18mm) diameter clamps. Of course, you can use the 1 inch clamps on the smaller hose, you'll just have some excess.
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Old 11-28-2009, 04:13 PM   #52
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this worked great for me! before i replaced them, every time i turned the car on, i would get the whine and bubbles like crazy in the tank... now i have no bubbles and the whine is gone! thanks for the info!
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:58 PM   #53
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hey, just replaced all 4 clamps, tightened them down and bled the power steering.... got in and drove away, when I started the car up, I had no power steering, with no squeaks.... I got back home from driving around, still no P/S and the fluid was bubbly. should I keep on bleeding it? leave the cap off for a while? what should I do next?

And does the banjo really have to be in any certain posittion?
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Old 12-02-2009, 11:18 PM   #54
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Let the car sit overnight or couple hours so there's no foam or bubbles in the resiviore and then Jack up the front end and turn the wheels lock to lock with the engine off! Do this like 20 times or so and hopefully that gets rid of the big air pockets u have.
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Old 12-03-2009, 01:07 AM   #55
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Let the car sit overnight or couple hours so there's no foam or bubbles in the resiviore and then Jack up the front end and turn the wheels lock to lock with the engine off! Do this like 20 times or so and hopefully that gets rid of the big air pockets u have.

sweet deal, thank you, sir.
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Old 12-05-2009, 01:50 PM   #56
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Good info! I just hopped in the car with my daughter & car started groaning with my steering being rough/choppy out of nowhere. Yesterday it was fine & I haven't done anything under the hood at all since my last oil change since the end of Fall. I really hope that's the cause.
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Old 12-06-2009, 12:03 AM   #57
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Old 12-06-2009, 12:04 AM   #58
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Hey guys, which one is the banjo bolt? Is this the bolt where the electrical clips sits on? Sorry, not sure if I'm using the right choice of words.
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Old 12-09-2009, 09:34 PM   #59
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Well this is an interesting thread. My 68,000 mi, '05 lost power steering today. I had been hearing a noise that sounded like a bad wheel bearing for a couple of days. Then I suddenly lost my power steering at 30 mph this morning. Rear diff overheat and battery lights lit. Pulled over. My accessory drive belt was broken. I manhandled it to the shop. Put on a new belt.....

Still didn't work right, no leaks, the pump spun freely, no play in the pulley but the fluid was absolutely full of small bubbles. Drove it home. There was some power assist if the wheel was turned really slow and the groaning was back. Think I will replace the hoses, fluid and clamps. That would sure beat buying a pump which is what I was fully expecting I would have to do.

Like I said....an interesting thread. Will update on if this solves my problems. Hwy61
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Old 12-09-2009, 09:37 PM   #60
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Why would the rear diff overheating and the p/s pump have anything in common?
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Old 12-10-2009, 11:40 AM   #61
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Why would the rear diff overheating and the p/s pump have anything in common?
They don't other than when your car goes down on the Interstate and you look at the dash and see three things lit......rear diff overheat, battery, and something else......you don't exactly know what is going on. Apparently those all light when the alternator/power steering belt lets go. I was hearing a mild roar like bad bearings in something, then some shaking, then the steering wasn't working right. Pulled off to the right but barely had to turn the wheel. For 20 seconds or so I didn't know what the problem was. If it is air in the power steering system due to loose lines......that would be the best and least expensive conclusion to this story. Hwy61
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Old 01-04-2010, 04:29 PM   #62
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having problems with my power steering on my 05 LGT which is at 98,000 mi and 5 years... I'll try the clamps!
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Old 01-04-2010, 04:51 PM   #63
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MasterKwan's advice worked for me, too! I replaced my radiator, which required me to move the reservoir-to-pump hose a few times.

I tried the bleed technique, but the noise didn't fade and my wheel just kept getting heavier. I also noticed that the fluid was backfilling into the reservoir and the surface was really foamy.

I found this thread after much searching, went out and purchased 4 worm clamps for $2.50, applied them to the inlet and outlet hoses, spun my wheel a couple of times and did the happy dance.

Thanks, MasterKwan! Your insistence saved me more money than Geico!


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I just relaced my inlet hose with a perrin hose and had the same foaming fluid and herky-jerky steering wheel. All I did was pull the banjo fitting from the pump. I will give the hose clamps a shot . BTW, I call "sticky"
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Old 01-11-2010, 10:10 PM   #64
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I just had this issue...

terrible squealing, originally at rest without even turning the wheel, then it became worse and clearly a pump issue.... I installed two new clamps downstream from the reservoir, and put the car on stands and moved the rack lock to lock several times and then drove it too work. Much less noise issues on the way there... just a slight groan occasionally. ..... when I reached work, no fluid overflowing and I was able to add more fluid and after my lunch time drive and commute home it looks like no more has come out. Thanks Masterkwan!
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Old 01-31-2010, 08:11 PM   #65
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well good thing i pulled a search......................
after i removed my banjo bolt to remove my intake manifold (little did i know) because of leaky fuel lines, i put everything back together and steering was as described in all the previous posts.............shaky, noisy, loss of steering out of nowhere, bad shudder when braking/turning......................

tried bleeding the banjo bolt which helped............but problem returned, then buddy/mechanic said jack the car up and turn the steering wheel all the way, both ways several times..................did this and it fixed it temporarily.....................then i noticed i was low on fluid since i bled a little out and stopped at the auto parts store and asked which fluid i need for ps............they gave me regular ps fluid and i poured it in (not knowing any better) and still have the same problem.

so now..........i have to bleed all the fluid out AND try the clamp thing and turn the steering wheel every which way but loose and see what happens.
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Old 02-01-2010, 11:58 AM   #66
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thats funny my system was totaly empty and i just filled the resovor started the car and kept adding fluid and i havn't had any issues
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Old 05-28-2010, 02:35 AM   #67
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sigh.. just took the car to the dealership and wasted an hour of my time, came home and used the search bar and did a vacuum test on the car and BAM bad clamps \ o ring, and why didn't their master tech spot this? I guess my extended warranty is useless unless issued by subaru.

-ill update on resolution later on this weekend.
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Old 06-14-2010, 09:32 PM   #68
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Been looking around on the boards. I've been having some power steering issues all of a sudden. My power steering just stopped. No pre-warning signs or anything.

I checked the usual. Belt is fairly new, and in good condition, replaced maybe bout a year or more so ago, no bubbles in the fluid, no whining noises or vibrations from the pump. Sounds normal.

From what I've been searching, everyone says replace hose clamps, replace o-ring, then bleed. All with the exception of bubbles being present. If no bubbles present, could this still be my problem.

Any ideas?

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Old 11-22-2010, 02:17 AM   #69
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Well,

i am having trouble again, and i am at a loss for a solution. i'd like to bump this thread back up and see if anyone has any suggestions


This weekend, i installed a new Mishimoto radiator (very nice piece btw)

in doing so, i had to gently press one of the lines slightly out of the way to pull out the old radiator (semi hard line that runs from the res to the pump)

sure as hell, i lost power steering.


couldnt believe it.. this system is so fragile if you put your hand on a line you loose PS. unbelievable.

So i went through my system, tightened all clamps, even replaced a few, and doubled up on some of the old ones.

NO DICE.

bled the system with the car on a lift with the standard method, moving the tires back and forth from lock to lock by hand..

I can hear air in the rack, it makes what sounds like a "slurping" noise when you go full lock, like air is moving thru the rack, or past a seal is what it sounds like.

eventually it seemed like i got all of the air out,

turn the car on, Boom tons of air in the reservoir.

so many bubbles coming up into the res, its like its at a mild boil, pump is obviously groaning because of the air in the system

after tinkering with this and driving, bleeding, driving, bleeding etc with every method and replacing every single clamp on the system, im at a loss.

the only thing i can think of at this point is that maybe the hardline that i touched is compromised.

anyone have any ideas?

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i finally gave up and decided to take it to my local dealer. when i took it in i explained to the service writer what the issue was and like 45 min later he called me and said that they are going to order all new powersteering hoses because the old ones are too hard and wont hold a good seal. i guess with all the heat under the hood those hoses get cooked to the point where they feel like hard plastic.

^ ^ im thinking that this might be my problem.
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O ring at the fitting that connects to the top of the pump?
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O ring at the fitting that connects to the top of the pump?
Are you referring to the black banjo washer that goes on the pump's banjo bolt?


if not, no, i havent replaced any O-rings, im very curious as to what exactly you are talking about


thx
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Are you referring to the black banjo washer that goes on the pump's banjo bolt?


if not, no, i havent replaced any O-rings, im very curious as to what exactly you are talking about


thx
On the top of the pump there is a plastic fitting that the suction hose attaches to via a hose clamp. This fitting is held on by a bolt. If you remove this fitting, there is an oring in there and this can be leaking and be sucking in air. I've read a thread a few months ago where this was someones problem. Apparently it's a not a part you can get at Subaru, so the person got an o ring kit at the hardware store and found one that fit and solved his problem.
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On the top of the pump there is a plastic fitting that the suction hose attaches to via a hose clamp. This fitting is held on by a bolt. If you remove this fitting, there is an oring in there and this can be leaking and be sucking in air. I've read a thread a few months ago where this was someones problem. Apparently it's a not a part you can get at Subaru, so the person got an o ring kit at the hardware store and found one that fit and solved his problem.


Awesome. thanks for the info!

I am going to try and replace this O-ring, as well as both hoses to and from the reservoir, and see how that works.
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Old 11-22-2010, 09:26 PM   #75
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Change one variable at a time....so you know what exactly fixed the problem .
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