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Old 07-14-2009, 10:50 AM   #1
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I've searched Nasioc and Google images for pictures of wrx's that have Tokico D-specs WITH tokico springs. Does anybody have this on there 04-05? I'm wondering what the drop will look like, but all I can find is people that bought D-specs with prodrive or some other kind of spring. It drops it 1" in the back and 1.25" in the front. If someone's set up has the same exact drop feel free to post it. I'm not asking how anyone likes them or how they perform. I already know. I just want to see what they look like on an 04-05 body. Feel free to post if you have the set up on a bug eye or hawk eye as well, I'm just more interested in the 04-05 since that's what I own. Just wanna make sure I like the drop before I make this my suspension upgrade.

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Old 07-15-2009, 12:24 AM   #2
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Before plunking down your hard earned money, you should consider that, even if the springs have the look you want, they're not very good springs. They're too soft for the very large amount they drop you. If you want to be in that ride height range, you should be looking at something like the RCE Blacks or the JDM Pinks.
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Old 07-15-2009, 08:10 AM   #3
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Before plunking down your hard earned money, you should consider that, even if the springs have the look you want, they're not very good springs. They're too soft for the very large amount they drop you. If you want to be in that ride height range, you should be looking at something like the RCE Blacks or the JDM Pinks.
Man it's about time someone responds. So you think the struts are good but the springs themselves suck?
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Old 07-15-2009, 08:19 AM   #4
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I had Tokico Dspecs paired with STi Wagon pink springs and group N tophats on my '05 wrx wagon and I was very happy with that setup. Not sure about the Tokico springs. You'll need the Scooby921 spacer or something similar as the struts are only designed to work with '02/'03 tophats.
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Old 07-15-2009, 09:14 AM   #5
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I don't think you need the spacers anymore. Check this out. I couldn't find the other sites that I found them on but I think this is the same thing.

http://www.autocarparts.com/part/1532/863/
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Old 07-15-2009, 11:24 AM   #6
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Right. D-Specs=good, TokicoKitSprings=not so good
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Old 07-15-2009, 01:12 PM   #7
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Right. D-Specs=good, TokicoKitSprings=not so good
Ha ok good to know.
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Old 07-15-2009, 03:03 PM   #8
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The main thing you want to do is run a spring set (or a GC coil kit) that will retain a good amount of bump travel. A rule of thumb is the lower you go, the stiffer you need to be. This just limits the amount of travel that's going be used during normal or sport use. As you lower the car, you reduce the amount of bump travel you have and add that loss to the amount of rebound travel you have. Ideally, you'd want to be somewhere in the middle of the strut's travel range. The only problem is that the car will basically look like an Outback wagon doing this. It'll ride great but there will be a lot of fender gap. You drop and knock out the gap and reduce bump travel. You hit the bump stops more frequently and harshen up the ride quality. It's simply a matter of trading off ride quality and function for looks. That's all there is to it.
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Old 07-15-2009, 04:45 PM   #9
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You're not just trading away ride quality, you're trading away performance as well. Look at how much the suspension moves just going down a normal road:


If you prevent the suspension from being able to move as far as it wants, you take the tire out of good contact with the road. That costs grip. Less grip is less fast.
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Danget this is turning into one of those "which springs should I buy?" threads that drives everyone crazy haha. I apologize to the mods and people that will say SEARCH because my original question I did search, but from your answers I guess I should be buying different springs for the dspecs. SO, if its not a problem to ask, what springs are you guys using, are they built more for daily driving or racing, and whats the drop like on them? I will also search too, but since the thread is open I might as well see what you guys have to say too and not some thread thats 2 years old.
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Old 07-15-2009, 07:33 PM   #11
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I'm on the USDM STi springs on my RS, with the D-Specs. It's a pretty hard combination to beat. Works well for just about anything. You really only need to increase the spring rate if you're going to R-comp tires or real racing slicks. Ride height will be just slightly higher than stock STi height due to the fact that the 6MT is heavier than the 5MT.
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There are really only 3 good (Autocross ) spring choices for a quality performance spring strut combo. In no particular order...

- RCE Blacks (smallest drop)
- RCE Yellows (biggest drop)
- Swift Spec.Rs (In between in terms of rates and drop, closer to RCE Blacks)

Some will say JDM pinks as well but IMO the spring rates aren't quite high enough. Drop is about the same as Swifts as far as I can tell.

EDIT: williaty beat me too it but he brings up a good point. I would prefer a stiffer spring for the performance (I have the Swift R springs--I autocross, on street tires though). A softer spring will work just as well on D-specs thanks to its adjustability (the reverse is also true, D-specs can handle some pretty stiff ones as well)... won't have quite the performance but will have a better ride.

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There are really only 3 good spring choices for a quality performance spring strut combo. In no particular order...

- RCE Blacks (smallest drop)
- RCE Yellows (biggest drop)
- Swift Spec.Rs (In between in terms of rates and drop, closer to RCE Blacks)

Some will say JDM pinks as well but IMO the spring rates aren't quite high enough. Drop is about the same as Swifts as far as I can tell.
Well that's complete bull****.

There's quite a large number of rather good springs out there, it just depends on what you want to do. Actually, put a better way, there's only a really small number of bad springs. Off the top of my head, I can only think of the S.Techs, Cobbs, Tokico kit springs, and Eibach ProKits that are actually bad. The Yellows come close to getting on the list because they're so low, but if you're only using them on tracks with very, very good pavement, you may be able to tolerate the reduced travel.
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There's quite a large number of rather good springs out there, it just depends on what you want to do.
Fair point. There are only 3 good AUTOCROSS springs for D-specs, is what I should have prefaced with. (Ninja)
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EDIT: williaty beat me too it but he brings up a good point. I would prefer a stiffer spring for the performance (I have the Swift R springs--I autocross, on street tires though). A softer spring will work just as well on D-specs thanks to its adjustability (the reverse is also true, D-specs can handle some pretty stiff ones as well)... won't have quite the performance but will have a better ride.
Dude, snuck a ninja edit in there on me

Stiffer springs DO NOT equal more performance. Stiffer springs equal a higher resonant frequency. In general, softer tires require higher resonant frequencies. Put it this way: On RE92s, there's not going to be an actual performance (totally different than perceived performance) difference between the stock springs and the RCE Blacks. Why? Because the tires don't need or want the extra rate. In fact, they may suffer due to the increased rate. However, toss on a set of R-Comps, and suddenly you need the high spring rates of the Blacks (or maybe even higher) to take full advantage of the tire.

Now, that's a completely different issue than what the driver may find it easy to be fast on. If it happens to be easier for you to drive on a stiff setup, it's likely you'll be faster on a stiff setup. At that point, it has nothing to do with the car, though.
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You should look in the suspension forum for some good information on this but Viper is right. Those three springs are the best for the D-specs. I believe RCE even designed their springs to fit on the STI strut and the D-specs. Talk to the guys at TIC. They were very helpful with me.
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Ha this thread has only made things worse for me hahaha. Anybody got pictures on any of these???
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You should look in the suspension forum for some good information on this but Viper is right. Those three springs are the best for the D-specs. I believe RCE even designed their springs to fit on the STI strut and the D-specs. Talk to the guys at TIC. They were very helpful with me.
He is talking to one

There is no "best" spring for the D-Spec. The range of damping available from the D-Specs is MASSIVE. The D-Specs can basically properly control every spring offered for the Impreza from the WRX stockers on up (RS stockers would be too soft). As far as fitment, well, any spring that has stock fitment will fit the D-Specs. So it's a bit of a mis-step to claim that any spring was designed "for" the D-Specs.
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Dude, snuck a ninja edit in there on me

Stiffer springs DO NOT equal more performance. Stiffer springs equal a higher resonant frequency. In general, softer tires require higher resonant frequencies. Put it this way: On RE92s, there's not going to be an actual performance (totally different than perceived performance) difference between the stock springs and the RCE Blacks. Why? Because the tires don't need or want the extra rate. In fact, they may suffer due to the increased rate. However, toss on a set of R-Comps, and suddenly you need the high spring rates of the Blacks (or maybe even higher) to take full advantage of the tire.

Now, that's a completely different issue than what the driver may find it easy to be fast on. If it happens to be easier for you to drive on a stiff setup, it's likely you'll be faster on a stiff setup. At that point, it has nothing to do with the car, though.
We are digressing a bit but its not just about R comps vs street tires. Maybe if you are running 500 or 600 lb springs but these are definitely street-style springs we are talking about here. I assure you that you put a driver around the autocross course in 2 identical cars, 1 on sti springs and one on rce blacks (given these struts and any decent performance tire) the blacks will be a hell of a lot faster. I don't car what your driving style is. Yes there is a point of diminishing returns when it comes to spring stiffness, but these aren't close to it.

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There is no "best" spring for the D-Spec. The range of damping available from the D-Specs is MASSIVE. The D-Specs can basically properly control every spring offered for the Impreza from the WRX stockers on up (RS stockers would be too soft). As far as fitment, well, any spring that has stock fitment will fit the D-Specs. So it's a bit of a mis-step to claim that any spring was designed "for" the D-Specs.
Thats true but in we are talking about optimal springs here, otherwise he may as well go with the Tokico springs which "work" but certainly are not optimal. Yes, there are a lot of choices, I just pointed out what most people (myself included) consider to be the most optimal springs (street/autocross performance wise) for the D-specs.

Its also worth noting that I dont think the D-Specs the OP linked to are the same ones we are talking about. Oops! OP, these are the ones we have been discussing: http://www.turninconcepts.com/produc...roducts_id=544

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Ha this thread has only made things worse for me hahaha. Anybody got pictures on any of these???
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We are digressing a bit but its not just about R comps vs street tires. Maybe if you are running 500 or 600 lb springs but these are definitely street-style springs we are talking about here. I assure you that you put a driver around the autocross course in 2 identical cars, 1 on sti springs and one on rce blacks (given these struts and any decent performance tire) the blacks will be a hell of a lot faster. I don't car what your driving style is. Yes there is a point of diminishing returns, but these springs aren't close to it.
Doesn't work for me. Start making the car over-stiff and I start getting slower. The tip-over point for me really is what the textbook predicts it will be (which happens to be the STi rates).

Another consideration is that a higher rear-rate relative to the front-rate will make the car rotate more easily, which is important in AX due to the very tight turns. The Blacks increase the rear rate MUCH more than they increase the front rate, which does help things for many cars/drivers. However, preserve the front/rear ratio but drop the rates overall and I bet you wouldn't be any slower.


EDIT: I should mention, though, that while I do AX in my car from time to time, I'm not a hardcore AXer. The AX people in Columbus just suck (in terms of being people. I suppose they're decent drivers) way too much for me to get heavily involved.

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Thank you. Anybody else that has these please post them! would like to be able to compare.
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williaty we have to stop this LOL

I hear you though man, just differing points of view. D-spec shocks rock though, either way.
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