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Old 04-30-2002, 08:23 AM   #1
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I'm thinking of getting a WRX, but question why there are so many available with so few miles. Is there something wrong with these cars? Thanks for the info.

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Old 04-30-2002, 08:44 AM   #2
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speedworks,

Several thoughts come to mind:

(a) the continued condition of the economy

(b) the i-club is the most active board of this kind in existence

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Old 04-30-2002, 09:04 AM   #3
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A lot of people rush out to get a hot new car when it first comes out only to realize a few months later that they can't afford it.

I'm already seeing the new M3 on the used car market, not that the WRX is in that price range. But, if your 18 and normally could only afford a $15,000 Civic and get caught up in the WRX frenzy you may buy before thinking.....I did it twice before I learned.
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Old 04-30-2002, 09:15 AM   #4
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when you say you see so many available with low miles...we can only assume you mean used, correct? If so, yeah, the guy above me hit the nail on the head.

all the high school kids think they can afford these, then they buy them, and see what their insurance rates are, and they can't hang on to them anymore...
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Old 04-30-2002, 11:57 AM   #5
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I make a decent salary and I can barely afford to keep mine on the road. Its simply because of price. Plus, I think there are some out there that get caught up in the frenzy, think the car is cool and go buy one. If they are not true enthusiats but rather, GranTurismo wannabes, then they will quickly realize that unless you really love and appreciate this machine for what it truly is, a race bred rally car chalk full of heritage, its not really an economical car. Plus, for some, when the rush of enjoying the acceleration wears off (which will happen only for the non die-hard enthusiasts), they just revert back to a civic Si or something.

But, now that I've expressed my phsyciatric abilities, there is really nothing wrong with this car except that perhaps driving and thinking about it will pretty much consume your every waking moment...and many sleeping moments as well.

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Old 04-30-2002, 12:25 PM   #6
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Thanks for the info. 2 issues that I have heard before: the transmission is considered "weak link"; are there issues here? and some have said that it runs rough? Any thoughts.
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Old 04-30-2002, 12:31 PM   #7
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I would disagree with both. My 93 Imprezza has over 120k on it -- 5spd manual - NEVER HAD ANY TRANSMISSION TROUBLE.

My father's 97 Outback has over 70k on it - 5spd manul - NEVER HAD ANY TRANSMISSION TROUBLE.

I have only had my WRX for 600 miles, and it's a 5spd and feels even cripser (duh) than my 93 Imprezza.

I imagine that's one of those sayings that comes to being because somebody dumped their WRX clutch at 6500RPM's for 3 weeks straight at every stop light and now their transmission is having problems.

I've heard the contrary - that the WRX transmission is pretty damned tough.

As far as "running rough" I guess if you didn't put oil in it, it'll probably run pretty rough.

But seriously, I don't think they are refined, as say, a BMW, or Audi as far as "smoothness" and "quietness." But they also don't cost $43k. I have frequently thought they idle so smooth that sometimes you can barely tell if the car is still on.

just my two worthless cents.
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Old 04-30-2002, 12:35 PM   #8
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not sure if it is the reason, but my aunt works for V-DOT and they are currently doing research on safety problems w/ the WRX. They say a lot of complaints have come in concerning loss of brakes while going over bumy roads. Go Figure.
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Old 04-30-2002, 01:06 PM   #9
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I most aggree with people not being able to afford the WRX after they buy it, but I also think people also want to Mod the WRX but just can't afford the cost of the car along with the cost of the mods. It's cheaper to buy a honda and rice it up for less than what is costs for a stock wrx (of course that all depends on what type and the quality of parts you get).

Another factor I see too is that some people on here realize how much this is not a "family" car. Lastly, this car loves gas and it only likes the expensive stuff. Another money eater, but well worth it!

I love my WRX, I'll get a second job if I have to in order to support my car (and the mods to come) . . . of course, my wife may think differently of that
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Old 04-30-2002, 01:36 PM   #10
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I have frequently thought they idle so smooth that sometimes you can barely tell if the car is still on.
yup, that's exactly the same for me. I love the way my baby purrss... I get almost as much enjoyment out of starting her up as I do driving her. Ha! In general, if you can't appreciate the WRX and love all aspects of it then you shouldn't be holding the keys to one. It's kinda sad to me to see so many underappreciated WRX's. They having feelings too man! Well maybe i'm getting a little carried away, but I know mine does, she told me last night while cruising.
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Old 04-30-2002, 05:24 PM   #11
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Is there something wrong with these cars?

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Old 04-30-2002, 07:07 PM   #12
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heyyy if i get kicked from my parents house i will have to return my WRX too
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Old 04-30-2002, 09:53 PM   #13
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Steve, most folks have hit on the reason there seem to be a lot out there:

1. buying frenzy, but overextending
2. tech economy down turn - lots of WRX owners are computer techies (like me) and we have been hit lately

In regards to tranny issues, yes there seem to be some but many seem to be because of hard use but not all (roll the die, use the warrantee).

I have owned Audi's and Porsches before the WRX and frankly the flat 4 is a flat 4, fast reving but sounds somewhat like my my old VW van at times (nostalgic... ahhh!) with cool whine. I love the car. I could have had an Audi for another 10k but still would not have as much fun driving. I'd be more luxurious (leather, heated butt, etc) but love the turbo kick. I also haven't found as crazy a group of owners yet... come to the dark side (and pay less for repairs in the future).

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Old 05-01-2002, 12:48 AM   #14
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I also haven't found as crazy a group of owners yet... come to the dark side (and pay less for repairs in the future).

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The WRX will do.

You will be satisfied in the WRX.

You don't need to see his identification.

Move along.
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Old 05-01-2002, 02:50 PM   #15
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Because they don't realize what a burden the monthly payments are going to be....Without a decent down payment and a crappy APR (I think if you're young and have no credit history you get about 13% apr), you're looking at monthly payments of about $600 or more a month....and when you add to that insurance (which in my case is about $130 a month....and probably significantly more for someone who's 18-19) you're looking at an anual cost of $10k a year after maintenence, mods, and so on. So suddenly that $23k car ends up costing you $50k+ over the life of the car loan.

People don't realize that this ain't no Civic when they buy it, especially since the car really appeals to the Civic crowd.

I guess the other side of it is that people start putting all sorts of mods on without really knowing what they're doing, blowing up the motor, and trying to sell it.

And of course there's the whole accident thing....don't know how bad it is with WRX's yet, but when I was buying my Integra Type-R, 9 out of every 10 I saw were salvaged...kids who don't know how to drive buy them and get into accidents and they get totalled...then the shop fixes them up sells them. (did you know that if you get hurt in a car with a salvage title your ins. company doesn't have to pay for injuries? Once a car's been totalled its considered unsafe for driving....no matter how well its been fixed up).


There shouldn't be THAT many out there for sale since I think Subaru only produced 20K....
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Old 05-01-2002, 04:23 PM   #16
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I would refer you to the thread "Why I hate my WRX"
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Old 05-01-2002, 04:44 PM   #17
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The WRX rules..buy it!
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Old 05-01-2002, 04:59 PM   #18
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The WRX rules..buy it!
... only if you can afford to, unlike so many other on here!
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Old 05-01-2002, 05:13 PM   #19
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Old 05-01-2002, 07:24 PM   #20
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They say a lot of complaints have come in concerning loss of brakes while going over bumy roads. Go Figure
Yes, it's an issue with how Subaru decided to program the ABS. (based on other threads on this board): They decided to maximize braking ability in extreme low-traction conditions, like on ice, etc. Unfortunately, it turned out that the way they are programmed, if a wheel loses contact with the ground while brakes are applied (e.g. hits a bump), the ABS thinks traction has gone to zero and backs off the brakes for a noticeable period of time (a second or two). Of course, the driver doesn't expect this, and with the loss of braking can end up going out into an intersection, etc, instead of stopping before it.
It's happened to me; fortunately I had read about it here first, so it wasn't quite as scary as it would be otherwise.
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Old 05-02-2002, 11:20 AM   #21
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Yes, it's an issue with how Subaru decided to program the ABS. (based on other threads on this board): They decided to maximize braking ability in extreme low-traction conditions, like on ice, etc. Unfortunately, it turned out that the way they are programmed, if a wheel loses contact with the ground while brakes are applied (e.g. hits a bump), the ABS thinks traction has gone to zero and backs off the brakes for a noticeable period of time (a second or two). Of course, the driver doesn't expect this, and with the loss of braking can end up going out into an intersection, etc, instead of stopping before it.
It's happened to me; fortunately I had read about it here first, so it wasn't quite as scary as it would be otherwise.
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Old 05-02-2002, 11:40 AM   #22
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I was so close to buying a WRX. My mom was going to give me the money for graduating from college because my old car basically died on me. Of course I have to pay her back every penny, I get about 2 years to do this. But after finding out that full coverage insurance would be $1300 for 6months for a 23year old male with no points or accidents I said forget that. The WRX is basically my dream car until I turn 30. But I fell in love with the Spec V. I truly think a lot of people spend more than they can handle on a car. Just think of all those people modding their cars like crazy yet they still owe over half on their new car. I think that's crazy. Now I have a question, what gas does the WRX use? Oh yeah my mom is in the market for a car and she fell in love with the Outback. She wants that or an S2000.
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Old 05-02-2002, 03:38 PM   #23
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WRX uses Premium gas. How u like your Spec V? Do you feel that it goes pretty fast?
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Old 05-02-2002, 05:45 PM   #24
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A lot of people bought the WRX before the insurance companies had any idea of how much to charge.

Like Keith.

So they bought the WRX and paid RS rates for a year or so, and then when 3000 people drove their WRXs into the woods, or into walls, or whatever, the insurance people jacked the rates WAY up.

So people who could afford $400-500 a month for the car, plus another $100-200 for insurance were suddenly burdened with $4-500/month for the car and another $300-500/month for insurance.

Think about it. If your insurance trippled, would you still be able to afford it? A lot of people bought the car betting that the insurance wouldn't jump so high, so they're hand to mouth... and then that set them over.
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Old 05-02-2002, 09:54 PM   #25
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yes, much is wrong with them. once these people get in the car it seems that they can't stop driving them. people find excuses to take children places, find excuses to go the long way to the mall the next state over, basically there life as a prodcutive individual ends and they just drive forever...
actually, the guy above me knows what happened, but i like to beleive mine
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