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Old 05-01-2002, 02:19 PM   #1
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hi all, I'm thinking of trading in my 99 RS for a 02 TS, and I'm wondering if I can expect the same sort of performance? Particularly in the handling department. I know the new TS is havier but how do suspensions compare? What about gear ratios, are they the same? I drove a new TS but it's hard for me to compare, I have a 20mm sway bar, sticky low profile tires, and a front strut bar on my car.
I could really use the convenience of a wagon but love the snappy hanling of the RS.
What to do???
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Old 05-01-2002, 05:42 PM   #2
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First thing is change out the whimpy coat hanger rear sway bar for a stock rex wagon, they go for $50. Big improvement over stock. Then you can do whiteline (or whichever brand) springs, another big improvement. As far as fast, it is 200lbs heavier. Mine runs 15.90's.


Edit- Mine has run a best of 15.79@86mph. But that was with a really poor 60ft.

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Old 05-02-2002, 12:02 AM   #3
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Another vote for bumping the rear sway up to 20mm. I quite like the handling of mine.. Comfortable but competent enough, at least for me. I've never driven an old RS, so I can't compare.

One of the best things about the TS is that it's a great platform to start modding the crap out it. So far my brain has spent thousands more than the rest of me has.

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Old 05-02-2002, 12:16 AM   #4
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If this means anything to you, then it makes a difference. If it doesn't, then it doesn't really matter.

Kinda cryptic eh.

Anyways.

Manual Tranny 99 RS Final Drive Ratio = 4.11
02 TS Manual Tranny, Final Drive Ratio = 3.9

Tranny 1 - 5 ratios are identical.

Hope this helps.
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Old 05-02-2002, 12:54 AM   #5
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don't even bother with the WRX wagon 17mm rear sway bar, go straight up to the WRX sedan 20mm... it's all you'll ever need on a stock suspension.
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Old 05-02-2002, 02:36 AM   #6
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Will the 20 mm sway bar off my 99 RS fit the 02 TS?
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Old 05-02-2002, 03:44 AM   #7
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Will the 20 mm sway bar off my 99 RS fit the 02 TS?
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Yes. All rear sway bars are swapable for the Impreza.
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Old 05-02-2002, 03:45 AM   #8
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If this means anything to you, then it makes a difference. If it doesn't, then it doesn't really matter.
Manual Tranny 99 RS Final Drive Ratio = 4.11
02 TS Manual Tranny, Final Drive Ratio = 3.9
Tranny 1 - 5 ratios are identical.
So.... what does it mean?
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Old 05-02-2002, 04:50 AM   #9
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i was wondering if the gear ratios were the same. apparantly not. how difficult do u think it would be to swap in the 99rs rear axle?
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Old 05-02-2002, 11:15 AM   #10
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Is the front strut tower bar interchangeable?
Thanks to all for all the juicy info.
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Old 05-02-2002, 11:23 AM   #11
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The higher the number, the easier it will be to accelerate off the line. The lower the number, the more comfortable the cruise at highway speeds and the better the fuel economy.

It's more than just replacing the rear diff, you'd have to replace the ring and pinion gears in both the front and rear diffs.

Not a do it yourself job, cause it means dismantling the tranny.

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Old 05-02-2002, 12:07 PM   #12
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stock for stock, the suspension on the GC8 RS is tighter than even the WRX.
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Old 05-02-2002, 06:31 PM   #13
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haha
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"Mine runs 15.90's."

thats funny as hell wanna know why>?
i have a 99 RS w/:
brullen header/cat back
PRM intake
lightweight flywheel
ACT clutch
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damn my car sucks i ran a 15.989 last week
its in the shop as we speak tho, cos somethings deff wrong
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Old 05-02-2002, 11:35 PM   #14
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yeah i know. i am with you booger.
i wouldn't say i am the greatest driver in the world.

99 RS
bored cats
borla headers
borla cat back
k&n cone filter with heat sheild (@ the time)

absolutely nothing in the car except sub and box.
and i pul a 16.6

then i change plugs and wires put on tube style intake and run a 16.0

what the hell!!
how come all of the stock RS's and TS's are running low 16's and high 15's

its got to be bull

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Old 05-03-2002, 01:52 AM   #15
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It's more than just replacing the rear diff, you'd have to replace the ring and pinion gears in both the front and rear diffs.
lol, i forgot it was awd.
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Old 05-03-2002, 11:08 AM   #16
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Its definitly not bull man i ran 15.6 stock and w/ intake and exhuast i ran 15.2@88.3. You have to **** real fast and get a good launch down to w/ a good driver a subie can pull a 1.8 sixty foot and .1 secs in the launch is .2 seconds in the quarter. Oh yea slo i do have a subin a box w/ and amp. Full interior and spare tire. These werent miricle runs either i run consistent 15.3's and 2's if anyone would like the slips let me know im going to the track tonight again...Joe
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Old 05-03-2002, 03:33 PM   #17
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thanks bmw man,

question what do you launch @?

what kind of tires are you running?
thanks...chad
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No, they will not interchange. I was going to buy a used one off of a MY00 and it would not fit. Not even close enough to fab something myself.
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The TS chassis is much stiffer than the GC8. I think its a better platform. MUCH stiffer. It has the same stock struts as a WRX, same front sway bar too. So swap the rear with the one you already have and get some springs. You're good to go for handling. Its a little heavier, true, but I think the final drive makes up for that. lower final drive means better low end IIRC. Also, all that extra weight is mostly reinforcement on the body. I say go for it. You have a MAP instead of a MAF, so no worries about intake upgrades. Was the 99 a phase I block with DOHC heads? If so, you'll also have an improvement in the engine department. Not sure if they went to phase II and/ or SOHC by 99.

Thats all I got.

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Old 05-04-2002, 01:11 AM   #20
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The 99 was first year for the single over head cam. Funny you should mention the MAF... mine's been acting up lately. I had the code cleared once , but now I'm getting a rough idle...
I'm starting to lean towards the TS. It seams it's a bargain at $22k (canadian), compared to the 02 RS at $27k (not a lot of difference... I wonder why the big price difference?).
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Old 05-04-2002, 08:57 AM   #21
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The RS has 4 wheel disc brakes. But mine stops just fine, and I like the abs system. Unfortunetly, I have had to use it in a panick stop twice on the highway. Damn , Baltimore drivers.
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Old 05-04-2002, 07:34 PM   #22
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cvcsmkr i try to launch at like 4000 but i dont really watch the tach usually i watch the lights. Whatever you do dont drop the cluth you will fall on your face so bad it will almost feelike a 02 gti 1.8t's compressor surge. Let it out salow so and go slow on the gas too so by the time your at 5 grand your clutch is all the way out and your foot is on the floor. I run my stock RE92's as of right now. By the way last nihgt i ran a 15.1 @89 so i was pretty happy w/ that. My best sixty foot is a 1.9 but i know i can do a little better i just get axious at the lights so somtimes i try to imagine a street race and the lights being the guy counting it down. Also if your trying to pick up MPH fold in your mirrors it doesnt do much for your ET but on average i will run 1-2 MPH faster. My car still has a full interior, a sub and an amp....Joe
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Old 05-05-2002, 05:25 PM   #23
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I run a 15.2-15.5 all the time. All i have is borla headers and greddy cat-back exhuast. My mom owns the 02 rs and when i ran it stock down the strip i got a 16.3 but its automatic and myne is manual. So i dont know what to tell ya. but all i know is a 2k RS can run low 15's cuz i do it all the time with myne.
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