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Old 07-20-2009, 07:37 PM   #1
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Link to Solo minutes: http://scca.com/documents/Fastrack/0...k-aug-solo.pdf

Looks like the STR class proposal has been tidied up:
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Per the STAC, the following revised version of the STR proposal is published for member comment (significant changes are
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“Street Touring Class R (STR)
Class requirements and restrictions:
- Only those cars listed below are eligible
Eligible vehicles are:
- Honda S2000
- Mazda Miata (except Mazdaspeed)
- Mazda MX5 Miata (’06-‘09)
- Toyota MR2 (non S/C, non-turbo)
- Toyota MR2 Spyder
- BMW Z3 (non-M)
- BMW Z4 (non-M, non-turbo)
- BMW M Coupe & M Roadster (1998 to 2000)
- Mazda RX7 (non-turbo)
- Porsche 924& 944 (non-turbo)
- Porsche 911 (1984 to 1989 Carrera 3.2)
- Porsche 968
- Pontiac Solstice(non-turbo)
- Saturn Sky (non-turbo)
- Datsun 240Z & 260Z & 280Z & 280ZX (non-turbo)
- Nissan 350Z
Additional class notes include:
- Tire Allowances (add to 14.3):
AWD – 225mm
2WD – 255mm
- Wheel Allowances (add to 14.4):
AWD – 7.5”
2WD – 9”
- Catalytic Converters (add to 14.10.E):
Same as ST, STS allowance.
- Limited Slip Differentials (add to 14.10.K):
Aftermarkets units allowed per STX/STU rules.”

NOTE, per the STAC: Classing for STR will not be formula based, but will utilize a list of eligible vehicles. Cars *not* on this list
are not eligible. However, as in all subjective classing, cars may be petitioned by the membership for inclusion and will be
reviewed on a case by case basis.
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Old 07-20-2009, 08:23 PM   #2
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looks like a great place for the 89 civics, I bet money that they will win that class too.
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:21 PM   #3
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looks like a great place for the 89 civics, I bet money that they will win that class too.
Dave,

From the proposal, only cars on the list are allowed to compete. As the 89 civic si (and CRX si) are not on the list, there's no way one of these cars can win this class.
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:29 PM   #4
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a) what AWD cars are on that list
b) ST/STS cat rules??
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Old 07-20-2009, 10:19 PM   #5
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Dave,

From the proposal, only cars on the list are allowed to compete. As the 89 civic si (and CRX si) are not on the list, there's no way one of these cars can win this class.

you know I know that, but I am trying like hell to dump them somewhere, damn cheater cars.

how about making a new ST class how about STSLO it would be the last 20 other types of cars that run ST.
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Old 07-20-2009, 10:54 PM   #6
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Let's add the Subaru SVX

Funny, the RX-7 non-Turbo, "Miata", and BMW Z3 (1.9L) are already legal for STS, why add it here also?

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Old 07-21-2009, 01:21 AM   #7
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Not all Miatas are legal for STS... STR would catch the RX-7's and Miatas that came with a real diff, as opposed to STS's open or viscous requirement. Z3's were also available with other engines than the 1.9L, and again, you'd be allowed to add a diff.

In fact, any STS car on that list could add a diff and run STR. I'd say STR could cannibalize STS since the NA Miatas there are probably frothing at the idea of a real diff, while the CRX folks are wishing one mattered so they could ask to be on the list...
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Old 07-21-2009, 04:07 AM   #8
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I wish the MR2 turbo was allowed. It would fit in pretty well.
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Old 07-21-2009, 06:27 AM   #9
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Funny, the RX-7 non-Turbo, "Miata", and BMW Z3 (1.9L) are already legal for STS, why add it here also?
Probably for the same reason an ST car can run STX?
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Old 07-21-2009, 09:39 AM   #10
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a) what AWD cars are on that list
b) ST/STS cat rules??
"Porsche 911 (1984 to 1989 Carrera 3.2)"

I'm pretty sure Porsche made a Carrera 4 during this era.

Edit: Looks like they were no Carrera 4's made in the '84-'89 model years. So I'm not aware of any awd cars on this proposed list.

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Old 07-21-2009, 09:56 AM   #11
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I wish the MR2 turbo was allowed. It would fit in pretty well.
I wondered about that along with the exclusion of the mazdaspeed miata (which has the funky gearing). I guess they don't want any turbo cars to upset the apple-cart. With that said, if I was building a car for this class, I'd start with either an AP1 S2000 or MX-5 miata.

Knowing how much KC loves street tire classes...his wife was clairvoyant!
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Old 07-21-2009, 11:58 AM   #12
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I've just started building a NC Miata for this class, so you can look for me running this next year. I think it will prove hugely popular, so I hope I've bought the right car!!
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Old 07-21-2009, 12:23 PM   #13
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I've just started building a NC Miata for this class, so you can look for me running this next year. I think it will prove hugely popular, so I hope I've bought the right car!!
I know of quite a few other nationals regulars that are excited for this class.

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Old 07-21-2009, 12:48 PM   #14
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I've just started building a NC Miata for this class, so you can look for me running this next year. I think it will prove hugely popular, so I hope I've bought the right car!!
Max,

I don't think there'll be a 'right' car for this class, but at least 3-4 different competitive cars. I think the NC MX-5 will definitely be very competitive as will the S2000. Imho, other competitive cars for the class are the '98-'00 BMW M coupes, Solstice/Sky & quite possibly an early 350Z. NB miatas might also be a good choice for the class along with the MR-2's.

P.S. FWIW, if I decided to build a car for this class, it would either be a mazda or a honda for the manufacturer contingency.
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Old 07-21-2009, 06:11 PM   #15
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The only RX-7 that came with a "real" LSD was the '84-'85 RX-7 GSL-SE, with the 135hp 13B fuel injected rotary. It came with an optional clutch-type LSD. This is not the car to have for any ST classes...yes, I ran one at the Fontana Prosolo in 2005 I think....timing error kept me out of 2nd place grrrr I was on Kumho MX's IIRC.
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Old 07-21-2009, 10:23 PM   #16
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Ah, but a newer RX-7 with an aftermarket real diff might work...

Carrera 4's also did not have 3.2L engines, so they're out on that alone.

They're going to avoid turbos like the plague, if only to avoid the "they could be cheating, let's ban them" arguments...
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The "MazdaComp" VLSD that came in the '89 and '90 RX-7 GTUs was plenty good, I don't think the car could benefit from a better one enough to touch an S2000 or MR-2 Spyder, IMO....having raced both the 1gen ('85 GSL-SE) and 2gen ('89 GTUs) in ST at a National level...IMO.
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On paper, a 240Z is actually relatively competitive...

Who's going to give it a shot?
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On paper, a 240Z is actually relatively competitive...

Who's going to give it a shot?
Isn't Draken into those 'old skool' cars???
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On paper, a 240Z is actually relatively competitive...

Who's going to give it a shot?
With so many limitations on what can and cannot be touched, I can see it being increasingly difficult to keep some of these older cars in a true stock, but limited modification, form.
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Too bad paper doesn't take into consideration the stock carburetors...
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Stock it could pull off a 15.5... a hair behind an MSR. You think the gains to be had will be that different?

It has a ~100lb weight advantage, stock. I'd guess potentially more with ST level weight reduction.
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With so many limitations on what can and cannot be touched, I can see it being increasingly difficult to keep some of these older cars in a true stock, but limited modification, form.
Out of curiosity, I just checked eBay and there were 3 listed but all with engine swaps.
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Isn't Draken into those 'old skool' cars???
Why hello thar!

If you dig through the rules, you'll find an issue for the 240Z, and other older carb equipped ST* class cars. Technically, you can't even change the jetting in the carb(s.) So after you run that header and exhaust, you won't be able to adjust a/f ratio to take advantage of the power.

Unless of course the STAC addresses a letter than I know for a fact was sent in several months back, about this very issue.

But back to the 240z..you'll find it is limited in fender clearance. No big fat 255-17 tires under those fenders. Of course, the 225-15 Toyo would work just fine, on nice fat wheels.

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Did you know that a 924S with the 160hp Porsche 2.5L (not that crappy Audi motor) can get down to 2200lbs in STR trim?
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