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Old 08-25-2009, 12:16 PM   #1
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Hey everyone, I am kinda new here And this is gonna be my first big project thread. I blew my motor a few months ago and finally found a new one. After searching for regular ej20 and built ej20s i finally found one in spring park, MN. I bought it from a company called Racewind imports and they are currently working on a custom install. Its not just the regular ej20 motor. I went ahead and decided to get the ej20tt. Thats right, the JDM legacy BG5 motor. Ive read about people having a lot of trouble making it fit right,, but these guys say they can do it. They have it planned out and i hope it all goes well. Along with the motor im also having them put some some new exhaust on it and a BOV. I will keep everyone updated on the progress aswell as any complications they run into.
Let me know what you think of my decision. Questions are welcome!
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Old 08-25-2009, 01:50 PM   #2
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sooo hard not to respond with a blanket negative comment

is it too late to change your mind and go for another engine choice

fwiw the ej20h should have been less than $1000 and as low as $650
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Old 08-25-2009, 04:11 PM   #3
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well i bought the whole front clip of the car for 2000. By selling back the tranny and rest of the front clip minus the motor, it will be around $1000.

Ill let people say whatever negative stuff they want. Just remember its my car, I want a wrx that isnt like every other wrx you see. But Please let me know what you think, whether its negative or positive! Ill try not to take anything offensive haha
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Old 08-26-2009, 11:10 AM   #4
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trying to be different than everyone else out there almost always ends up costing you more now and even more down the road
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Old 08-26-2009, 01:46 PM   #5
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well, its RHD to start with, thats why not many people do that swap it seems. From other reads and starting to get a feel for things, I hope things go smooth. GL, the only thing i know that has the tt is a dune buggy ive seen.
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Old 08-26-2009, 06:58 PM   #6
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Im actually keeping it lhd. Not converting to Rhd. And considering labor to take my motor out and put the other one in is only gonna be about $1100 id say that its not too expensive actually.
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Old 08-26-2009, 07:08 PM   #7
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that include the harness merge

iirc the going rate is still >800 for that alone
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Old 08-26-2009, 08:40 PM   #8
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yes that includes everything, wiring harness, motor swap, everything
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Old 08-27-2009, 04:12 PM   #9
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i think its gunna be well worth it.. that new swap i hve never heard of before.. good luck to you man
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Old 08-27-2009, 04:48 PM   #10
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Thank you! Its hard to find people that actually appreciate others ideas.

And for everyone else just so you know... My car is an 03 wrx wagon. Not just a sedan. And every mechanic i know says that its a waste of time getting a usdm motor cause unless you build them up theyre gonna blow up. Not to mention go ask around for a ej20 at a salvage yard... last i checked prices are around 2500 for just the motor alone. plus another 1000-1500 in labor. This is a custom swap theyre doing for $1500 at the most plus the price of the front clip he dropped to an even $2000. but keep the comments and criticism comin!

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i think its gunna be well worth it.. that new swap i hve never heard of before.. good luck to you man
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Old 08-27-2009, 09:33 PM   #11
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whoa .. you putting a 15-19 year old engine in a 03 wrx

bad bad bad idea ..

by the way the 03 wrx ecu won't drive the ej20h, cam pickups are different and the cam shaft is a different diameter


it can be done if you use the H block and 205 heads, change the crank pickup, use the right head gasket (which would require some research), plug the LH oil feeds/returns.. it will have a higher compression ratio and need a retune

should have bought a 2.5 block ..
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Old 08-27-2009, 11:09 PM   #12
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You SHOULD have put what kind of car you had in the FIRST PLACE. This would have been much better.
So you have an '03 WRX wagon. Blown motor. Why make it more difficult by putting a phase1 motor into your phase2??? Your intake manifold doesn't bolt up, cam/crank pickups are different, that motor is OLDER, what are you expecting out of it??

Rebuilding your 2.0L isn't that much more if not the same cost as this OLDER motor that doesn't bolt up directly. New crank, new bearings, hot tank and clean, new oil cooler, and what ever you want to upgrade.

Should have done MORE research. Now good luck putting that phase1 motor into your '03 WRX. Your WRX has a much LARGER window of tuning possibilities.
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Old 08-28-2009, 12:46 AM   #13
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This guy doesn't do enough research, and I'm too worried and concerned.
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Old 08-28-2009, 02:14 AM   #14
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Any updates from the O.P? Im curious, if hes trying to keep the TT wont the second turbo or down pipe not clear? It will be interesting to see what happens. I thought the ej20gs were dirt cheap to pick up, and why didnt he just tear down his block and build it up, im almost certain it would be cheaper....
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Old 08-28-2009, 01:26 PM   #15
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it will clear with work.. and the motor is from i believe a 2000 legacy gt... now go ahead and tell me what hp a stock 03 wrx has... and tell me how thats more than the bg5 ej20tt.. buying this motor is the same as buying any single turbo jdm ej20. only it has two turbos.
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Old 08-28-2009, 02:51 PM   #16
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A BG5 is from a 95-98 Legacy, Its a phase I block meaning very little is similar to your WRX engine. The intake bolt pattern is different so you are stuck using the Legacy intake manifold. That means you will need to use the legacy ECU. The engine harness will need a complete rewire. The car will no longer be OBDII making it completely useless in most states. If you use the twin turbo setup custom exhaust plumbing will be needed. The twin turbo vacuum lines and controls are a nightmare. The first mod most people do with these cars is ditch the twins because they just don't work well. The way I see it is you ruined a good WRX by hacking the wire harness and installed an old crappy engine. This will cost you TONS more in the long run I am sure. Do keep us posted on the progress

Just wondering who is doing the labor?

FWIW I just bought a 2000 JDM Forester engine from JHOT for a grand, That engine would have bolted in your car with about 6 hrs of labor.
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Old 08-28-2009, 02:52 PM   #17
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Good for you for trying to be different, hope you have some money saved away though.
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Old 08-28-2009, 03:20 PM   #18
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A place called racewind imports in spring park, mn. they havent installed the motor yet so i havent ruined anything.
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Old 08-28-2009, 03:42 PM   #19
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Fuji K is in Minnesota. Go buy him beer and pizza before you spend any more money on this swap. Pick his brain and figure out what you want to do long term.
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Old 08-28-2009, 05:07 PM   #20
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So heres the options. Go ahead with the ej20h swap and be one of a kind. or get a full sti swap. brembos, axles, 2.5 motor, rear end, and tranny?
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Old 08-28-2009, 05:13 PM   #21
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Option number 2. If you proceed with the Ej20h your car will be unsellable, significantly devalued and impossible to sell in most states as anything but a parts car.
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Old 08-28-2009, 05:34 PM   #22
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alright i hate all of you for dissing my big plans. But Thanks to all of you for helping me change my mind. By the way you all make it sound i would have been boned basically lol
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Old 08-28-2009, 05:47 PM   #23
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If you owned a GC or a BD Legacy you might find more support for the idea. But a big part of it is putting an older engine in a newer car and having the electronics be cross generational. There's all kinds of brain damage with that. There is a guy who figured out the install of the EJ20H on a GC and it looks well done. But to do it well on your car would be a total nightmare and if the shop could even do it for you they would probably come back and want triple the original labor they quoted you.
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Old 08-29-2009, 03:26 AM   #24
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well i do have the written quote that says 1500 labor max. And they have done it before. There are many solutions to the clearance issues. I could still do it and spend the extra money to get a standalone engine management system. but Im just gonna do the sti swap. I really want the DCCD
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Old 08-29-2009, 10:45 AM   #25
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There are plenty of Subaru turbo longblocks here in the states. It's not difficult to find. MUCH MUCH easier to do then trying to put this oldskool motor into your newer car.

Even if they've done it before, it's BAD advice from them to even go oldskool like that. By all means if you want to be "DIFFERENT" go ahead. You won't have the TROUBLESHOOTING SUPPORT if anything goes wrong with your BIG SETUP.

EXAMPLE:
I have a hybrid '06 WRX swap. I run a built EJ22T shortblock. Yes it's a "WRX" swap like all those out there with "WRX" swaps. But hey, if you look at the shortblock, who RUNS an EJ22T shortblock on it???? And it's staying 2.2L mind you. Compression ratio with custom CP Pistons set at 9.0:1. Main bearings placement on the block machined for thrust #5 so I can use the NEW WRX doublecross drilled crankshaft. Internals getting fully balanced with flywheel and clutch. Running a big 12mm oil pump, ported heads via me, and stiffer valve springs to take big cams this next spring. All this running on the STOCK reflashable ECU. The engine built to take a GT3076R twinscroll .78ar.

yes it's a WRX swap, but a beast of its own. Make it simple on yourself. Being different could HURT YOU with time and $$$$ unless you KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
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