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Old 07-27-2009, 11:10 AM   #1
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At the Nemadji Trail 3 stage rally I rolled our Open Light class STI 3 times. I had driven this rally 2 previous times (each rally goes over the roads multiple times) so I was familiar with stage. I just carried more speed through the 2 preceeding corners than I did in the past and didn't initiate my slide for the next corner accordingly (only 10-20 ft. too late). I also neglected to realized the roads were softer than previous races and that the cars before us would move all the soft dirt/sand/gravel to the outside of the corner. you can see on the out of car footage we are holding the inside line through the corner and are almost through it when the car starts backing away from the inside - that's when my right rear tire tapped the soft stuff and sucked us down. the ditch dropped away and we were going too fast too sideways at that point (65mph + ) and we went over. I didn't have enough torque (n/a motor) to get out of the soft stuff once it got hold of the tire. If you watch the in-car you see my arm come out during the first roll - I'm reaching for the shifter (where it used to be) to grab second to try and power out by didn't realize we were already going airborn (I immediately crossed my arms after that). You can also see dave's arm come up to shield his face as the windshield came through on his side).

this was a tough rally. mark utecht rolled the mustang as well and another driver took a tree in the right side just ahead of the B pillar.

our car is fixable and will be at ojibwe. it will be many colors














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Old 07-27-2009, 11:15 AM   #2
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Oh wow. You guys came out of this unscathed?
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Old 07-27-2009, 11:50 AM   #3
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yea everyone from all 3 incidents came out ok. my codriver is going into the dr today to make sure he didn't crack a rib, I banged the hell out of my knee on something and am sore all over, other than that a few cuts from glass I'm fine.
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:29 PM   #4
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yea everyone from all 3 incidents came out ok. my codriver is going into the dr today to make sure he didn't crack a rib, I banged the hell out of my knee on something and am sore all over, other than that a few cuts from glass I'm fine.
Glad to hear you're ok.

Who was the third off?
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Old 07-27-2009, 09:46 PM   #5
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That's a bummer Carl. Aside from carrying a bit too much speed for how the corner tightened, it looks like you were doing the right things. I'm glad you and Dave aren't too banged up, and I like the positive attitude (and those multi-colored cars for the right reasons)

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Old 07-27-2009, 10:27 PM   #6
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That's a bummer Carl. Aside from carrying a bit too much speed for how the corner tightened, it looks like you were doing the right things. I'm glad you and Dave aren't too banged up, and I like the positive attitude (and those multi-colored cars for the right reasons)

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Hi Doug, yes I came in too hot - everytime I watch the video I see where I should have set-up for the corner. I set-up at the same point we were using at the past nemadji rallies but we were't carrying as much speed through the preceeding section as we were this time.

when graham is back from the x-games he'll replace the roof and the left fender supports. I think I'll also have him tie the cage into the A pillar now that it's easy to get to. everything else we'll be trying to get pounded out best we can. Picked up a nice yellow passenger door today.

I'm just very happy Dave and I are ok and that the car is still useable. This does sort of fudge up our coefficients since we'll end up at 17 after OFR and LSPR (assuming we don't have any more incidents) and probably won't have the funds to do Paris
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Old 07-27-2009, 11:37 PM   #7
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Sorry to hear about your roll Carl, but at least you are okay and the car is salvageable.
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Old 07-28-2009, 02:49 PM   #8
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A yellow door, eh? That oughta be worth slightly more fractions of second per mile than a GEMS sticker.

The thing about turn-in points is they change all the time according to road conditions and tire wear. What was too early last time might be way too late the next time, but too early is usually a lot easier to salvage than too late. There's also the crossover point where if you're sliding the car around corners instead of aggressively attacking the corner with plenty of wheel spin you'll find that you tend to drift wider. Mr. Block seems to struggle a bit when he tries to back off, as an example. What worked best for me was more aggressive trail braking into the corner when trying to be cautious, then always attack it like you mean it once you've got the right rotation and position. Coming down a gear in a corner can be tricky, especially without a dog box because you can't rush the synchros. It's best to be in the right gear for the slowest part of the corner early, so you can brake in the corner (with your foot still on the throttle) to slow down and get a bit more rotation if you need to while keeping the power on. The difference in grip between sliding around a corner and powering around a corner is substantial, but you have to be totally committed. It's almost a leap of faith to make the transition, but you know when you get it right (as well as when you get it wrong). Seat time. All you need is more seat time...

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Old 07-28-2009, 03:04 PM   #9
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thank god for roll cages!
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Old 07-28-2009, 03:20 PM   #10
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Bummer guys . I have doors if you need them.
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Wow that's alot of damage. Good thing neither of you were hurt!

G/L on future events and hopefully you can make it to the Paris event!
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Old 07-28-2009, 03:25 PM   #12
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CARL!

man that sucks. I had some small damage from NEFR that im worried about getting sorted in time for Black River Stages, but that much damage in the time frame you are looking is crazy.

Good luck, git r' dun and rock out at Ojibwe. I wont be making it out after all.

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Old 07-29-2009, 02:18 PM   #14
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looks like the timing belt jumped 90 degrees or so... in the bad direction. turning motor over by hand did not feel like it had 11:1 pistons - guessing we bent the valves and maybe destroyed the pistons and head.

might be buying a second rally car after all
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looks like the timing belt jumped 90 degrees or so... in the bad direction. turning motor over by hand did not feel like it had 11:1 pistons - guessing we bent the valves and maybe destroyed the pistons and head.

might be buying a second rally car after all
Bah! Just source a motor or have Whiskers rebuild it for ya. I don't think I have any more laying around, but if I do (ask Graham) I'll give you a hell of a deal on it.

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Old 07-29-2009, 04:59 PM   #16
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Bah! Just source a motor or have Whiskers rebuild it for ya. I don't think I have any more laying around, but if I do (ask Graham) I'll give you a hell of a deal on it.

And for Nick:

Cheers,
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it looks like the passenger side cams are still aligned, only the driver's side lower cam has jumped. we'll see what happens tonight when we tear it down. I just hope we didn't damage our 11:1 pistons, that would be the biggest issue for finishing out the season in our Open Light car. Mason Moyle has been doing great in his car which still has stock cr but it's also a lot lighter.

I'll check with graham if it does come down to it - appreciate it Doug!

Hoping we can bounce back for Ojibwe and still have the funds to actually compete - we might make it up but not have enough to pay for the gas home (which is ok, I'll just bring my fishing gear)
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looks like the engine survived without damage!
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