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Old 05-01-2002, 05:17 PM   #1
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I have no very little money....but desperatly want a chip. If i buy a vishnu stage 0 chip, and a MBC, will my car run? run well? I can't really afford the pully's, plugs, and up pipe right now, but will be getting them sooner or later most likely.
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Old 05-01-2002, 05:28 PM   #2
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Why put an aftermarket chip on a stock car? The gains wouldn't be worth it for what you're paying. In my opinion, you would be better off getting the uppipe than the unichip, maybe get some GFB pulleys too. Those are two low priced mods that you will definately feel.
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Old 05-01-2002, 05:29 PM   #3
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Why put an aftermarket chip on a stock car? The gains wouldn't be worth it for what you're paying. In my opinion, you would be better off getting the uppipe than the unichip, maybe get some GFB pulleys too. Those are two low priced mods that you will definately feel.
Why is that?

I'm sure 80% of the gains come from the unichip itself.

If THAT is your goal, I'd go with the turboXS unit... because he's NOT mapped towards the up-pipe and pulley... it's all in the cat-back... which is maybe 3-7 HP of the equation....

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Old 05-01-2002, 05:30 PM   #4
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Step 1 - Get an MBC, boost gauge, EGT gauge and a drop in air filter.

Step 2 - Learn to launch the car.

step 3 - Run mid 13's



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Old 05-01-2002, 05:38 PM   #5
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I should have metioned that I allready have a boost gauge, MBC (15 psi), Cat back exhaust, and k&n filter as far as "power" mods go....and yes I can launch.
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Old 05-01-2002, 05:40 PM   #6
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So would a mandrel-bent muffler-less custom cat-back be just as good to use with the TXS Unichip?
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Old 05-01-2002, 05:46 PM   #7
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I was told my Mark at TurboXS that your cat back plan would work every bit as well as his.
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Old 05-01-2002, 06:11 PM   #8
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I agree with Krave, go for the up-pipe and pulleys first before you jump in with the chip. Before you start making more power (leaning out the fuel mix and turning up the boost) you should get the large heatsoaks out of the system, namely the up-pipe cat and downpipe/center foward section cats.

Jorge, I agree with you 99% of the time, but I think you're worng on this one. Users on this forum who have installed Vishnu stage 0 have taken Shivs advice, and the instructions for stage 0 suggest installing the up-pipe, pulleys, and spark plugs; THEN taking your car for a test drive before installing the chip and MBC. All of the reports I've read have stated that the pulleys/up-pipe/spark plugs made a larger difference than the unichip/MBC did. Perhaps other vendors sell chips that give a lot of gain from the chip, but other vendors use a higher boost than shiv does, and an up-pipe is worth more HP than a mufler with a restrictive up-pipe upstream of it..

I've seen no evidence that any drop in filter produces any measurable gain, in fact I've seen K&N filters showing losses on the dyno. The ITG filter may help some, but I'm not convinced yet.
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Old 05-01-2002, 06:35 PM   #9
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dude, the stage zero is not THAT expensive. maybe if you sell a pair of your scary fast skis you can buy the whole package.


you can install stuff individually, but you won't get optimum results. i'd save up until you can get the whole kit.
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Old 05-01-2002, 07:22 PM   #10
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FWIW, the gains provided by the Unichip, alone, represent less than 1/2 of the kit's total power gains.

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Old 05-01-2002, 09:10 PM   #11
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I agree with Krave. But please get the vishnu pulley. It's a lot better quality, and a nicer looking unit to boot.

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Old 05-01-2002, 09:39 PM   #12
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i've unorthodox- it's (only slightly perhaps) lighter than a friend's vishnu pulley. i am not questioning the quality of shiv's- my friend is very happy w/ his, and i personally trust shiv's work. just giving you my plug for the UR. let us know what you decide, grant,
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Old 05-01-2002, 10:12 PM   #13
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1 more vote for the Vishnu pulley.

I am doing the kit piecemeal, I will end up paying more, but I can't afford it all at once. I am doing the uppipe, pulley etc first, and the last thing will be the chip.
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Old 05-01-2002, 10:17 PM   #14
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$995 is a LOT of money for a "WANT" item.

You look at the economy today and those of us with families and you say $1000 is not a lot for a toy? That's insane! For you single people that may not be much, but, personally, it's a lot for me. Plus the fact that the money will not have any kind of return and you lose even more in the long run.

Not ragging on anything except someone saying $1000 isn't a lot for (let's face it, unless you're a sponsored driver) a TOY.

But, man, I'd love to have it

So this $50 "cat-back" would be every bit as good as a TXS (or other) cat-back eh? Sounds like my style
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Old 05-01-2002, 11:05 PM   #15
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The up-pipe and pulley are worth 10hp each and are relatiovely inexpensive, they might be a cheaper route than the unichip on a stock car.
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FWIW, the gains provided by the Unichip, alone, represent less than 1/2 of the kit's total power gains.

Cheers,
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FWIW ... that may be the case with your kit, but I was refering to another vendor's "entry level" kit

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Old 05-02-2002, 12:44 AM   #17
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I think I will try to lose some cats, and gain some new pully's largley due to your advice! thanks.
As far as 1,000 not being alot....That is like 2-3 months of my entire "fun/not paying bills" funds! That is alot of lonely nights at home on an allready tight budget.
thanks to the rest of you,
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Like the old saying goes...

If you can't afford to do it right, DON'T DO IT!
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Just get the up pipe and pulley as you stated. Nothing "not right" about that at all. Ignore what "doing it right" is, especially if it's posted on the internet. Your best bet would be to call shiv or TXS or whoever, tell them what you have to spend, and let them help you get the most gain for your dollar.

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id watch jorge's data logger threads for a 'once and for all' fact finding experiment about up-pipe factory egt probes, then once its settled, buy a perrin bungless up-pipe and be very happy
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I have no very little money....but desperatly want a chip. If i buy a vishnu stage 0 chip, and a MBC, will my car run? run well? I can't really afford the pully's, plugs, and up pipe right now, but will be getting them sooner or later most likely.
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You might want to get the uppipe and pulley first and then the rest latter when you have more cash.

Those two mods should at least give you 15 to 20hp more.

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Old 05-02-2002, 12:20 PM   #22
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You might want to get the uppipe and pulley first and then the rest latter when you have more cash.

Those two mods should at least give you 15 to 20hp more.

Eric
I agree with Eric. First get the up pipe and pulley out of the way. Later, if you want a unichip, you can have it tuned to your mod's.

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