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Old 07-29-2009, 03:32 AM   #1
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BMW are holding a conference at 9am (GMT) to announce their future intentions in F1.

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Old 07-29-2009, 03:36 AM   #2
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BMW's future in Formula 1 is in doubt amid speculation they are to pull out at the end of this season.

The German car manufacturer have called an emergency news conference at 0900 BST citing "current developments in motor sport" as the reason.

F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone said the team had given themselves three years to win the world championship.

"It's not quite been like that so perhaps that's why they've [decided] to stop," he told BBC Radio 5 Live.

"When you consider how much money they've spent and the results they've got, it's probably not such a good investment.

"They were quite sure that they were going to win the championship within three years, and I was hoping they would."


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Old 07-29-2009, 05:08 AM   #3
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BMW will withdraw from Formula 1 at the end of this season.

The German car manufacturer, who took over Sauber in 2005, have cited "current developments in motor sport" as the reason for their pull-out.

BMW are the second major manufacturer to leave the sport in eight months after Honda's withdrawal in December.

F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone said BMW had given themselves three years to win the world championship, but they have only amassed eight points this season.

"It's not quite been like that so perhaps that's why they've [decided] to stop," he told BBC Radio 5 Live.


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What do you make of the prospect of BMW pulling out of F1?
"When you consider how much money they've spent and the results they've got, it's probably not such a good investment.

"They were quite sure that they were going to win the championship within three years, and I was hoping they would."

BMW, who currently have Robert Kubica and Nick Heidfeld as their drivers, held a meeting on Tuesday where they made the decision to quit the sport.

They will instead devote resources to the 'development of new drive technologies and projects in the field of sustainability'.

"Of course, this was a difficult decision for us, but it's a resolute step in view of our company's strategic realignment," said Dr Norbert Reithofer, chairman of the Board of Management of BMW.

"Premium will be increasingly defined in terms of sustainability and environmental compatibility. This is an area in which we want to remain in the lead.

"We are continually reviewing all projects and initiatives to check them for future viability and sustainability.

"Our Formula One campaign is thus less a key promoter for us."

BMW's takeover of Sauber in 2005 saw them enter their own team in 2006 and in their debut season they were fifth in the constructors' championship before being promoted to second in 2007 after the exclusion of McLaren-Mercedes.

They put up a strong challenge in 2008 but ended up third behind Ferrari and McLaren-Mercedes.

Their only grand prix win as BMW Sauber came when Polish driver Kubica won in Canada in 2008, while he also achieved the team's only pole position with his qualifying effort in Bahrain in 2008.

BMW motorsport director Dr. Mario Theissen added: "Of course, we, the employees in Hinwil and Munich, would all have liked to continue this ambitious campaign and show that this season was just a hiccup following three successful years.

"But I can understand why this decision was made from a corporate perspective. We will now focus sharply on the remaining races and demonstrate our fighting spirit and put in a good result as we bid farewell to Formula One racing."

BMW first entered Formula 1 as an engine supplier to Brabham in 1982 and the first victory of the pairing came in 1983 when Nelson Piquet won in Brazil on the way to claiming the drivers' crown.

But BMW pulled out as an engine supplier in 1987 before returning in 2000 as engine partners to Williams.

The duo were together for six years and ended up as constructors' championship runners-up in 2002 and 2003, while winning 10 grands prix and taking 17 pole positions.


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Old 07-29-2009, 05:18 AM   #4
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Old 07-29-2009, 08:32 AM   #5
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That's a shame, I'm a big fan of BMW Sauber. I hope Kubica gets a seat with a team that will give him the opportunity to win a world championship.
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Old 07-29-2009, 09:23 AM   #6
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D: Is F1 dying?
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Old 07-29-2009, 10:18 AM   #7
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I hope Kubica gets a seat with a team that will give him the opportunity to win a world championship.
They should cut him loose now and let him have Massa's seat for the rest of the year. At least the Ferrari is way more competitive than the BMW's this year...
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Old 07-29-2009, 10:26 AM   #8
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Here's to hoping they reallocate that budget to some of their customer teams in their largest worldwide market, where F1 does not race...
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Old 07-29-2009, 10:51 AM   #9
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Old 07-29-2009, 12:00 PM   #10
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Old 07-29-2009, 12:22 PM   #11
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They should cut him loose now and let him have Massa's seat for the rest of the year. At least the Ferrari is way more competitive than the BMW's this year...
I'm rally hoping that this will be the case.
If Robert cannot find a good seat for next year it is speculated that he may get involved in rally as he's an avid rallyis and drives rally car quite often.
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I was really surprised by BMWs decision. They had been getting progressively better and better each year, and after one bad season they decide to pack it all in.
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I was really surprised by BMWs decision. They had been getting progressively better and better each year, and after one bad season they decide to pack it all in.
and the global economy I'm sure had no effect on the decision either

nor the headache that is running an F1 team, jumping through the FIA's ever changing hoops.
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Can't blame BMW, really, can you ??? I mean... they'd just
clawed their way close to the top of the pile (even in the
absence of a great development driver) and bingo... Max
and Bernie change the rules.

Tough to 'hope for the best' when you don't know what
the game will be from year to year...
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Bernie has never changed any rules ever. And the rules change all the time, its not Max's fault that BMW couldn't make a car to compete this year.
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Can't blame BMW, really, can you ??? I mean... they'd just
clawed their way close to the top of the pile (even in the
absence of a great development driver) and bingo... Max
and Bernie change the rules.

Tough to 'hope for the best' when you don't know what
the game will be from year to year...
But they know exactly what the game will be next year. It's already been decided that the 2010 rules will be the same as this year, just no KERS and no refueling. They have a very good motor, and with the engine freeze they don't need to worry about engine development, and the new cost cutting measures will make it more affordable for every manufacturer to stay in F1.
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Honestly, BMW has never been a dominating force in motorsports. They really don't produce "The Ultimate Driving Machine". Now reality has set in...they are not as good as they thought or claimed they were.
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Honestly, BMW has never been a dominating force in motorsports. They really don't produce "The Ultimate Driving Machine". Now reality has set in...they are not as good as they thought or claimed they were.
Funny, that name is used as a moto for their street cars, and has nothing to do with their motorsports claims.
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Honestly, BMW has never been a dominating force in motorsports. They really don't produce "The Ultimate Driving Machine". Now reality has set in...they are not as good as they thought or claimed they were.


Just the E30 M3

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European Touring Car Championship; 2 titles (1987 and 1988)
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Just the E30 M3

World Touring Car Championship; 1 title (1987)
European Touring Car Championship; 2 titles (1987 and 1988)
British Touring Car Championship; 2 titles (1988 and 1991)
Italia Superturismo Championship; 4 titles (1987, 1989, 1990 and 1991)
Deutsche Tourenwagen Meisterschaft; 2 titles (1987 and 1989)
Australian Touring Car Championship; 1 title (1987)
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Guia Race; 5 wins (1987, 1988, 1991, 1992 and 1993)
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Ford won those championships.
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Old 07-30-2009, 12:07 PM   #21
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Honestly, BMW has never been a dominating force in motorsports. They really don't produce "The Ultimate Driving Machine". Now reality has set in...they are not as good as they thought or claimed they were.
They have a pair of LeMans victories overall. They won a few F1 championships as an engine supplier.
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But they know exactly what the game will be next year. It's already been decided that the 2010 rules will be the same as this year, just no KERS and no refueling. They have a very good motor, and with the engine freeze they don't need to worry about engine development, and the new cost cutting measures will make it more affordable for every manufacturer to stay in F1.
Is it that clear cut for next year? They would still need to design a new chassis to accomodate the massive fuel cell, I thought the cars were required to go to a longer wheelbase. That's a big change IMO, which means lots of development resources. F1 is far too expensive for the return IMO, especailly when compared to other types of motorsport.
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I'd be willing to bet that they would have thought harder about it had there still been a north american race, as well.
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Don't count your chickens just yet. Just think of what happened to Honda. You'll see.
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Is it that clear cut for next year? They would still need to design a new chassis to accomodate the massive fuel cell, I thought the cars were required to go to a longer wheelbase. That's a big change IMO, which means lots of development resources. F1 is far too expensive for the return IMO, especailly when compared to other types of motorsport.
Nope no chasis changes no aero changes. The 2009 rules stand for 2010, just race distance fuel and while KERS still technically allowed by the rules, the FOTA teams have a gentlemans' agreement amoung themselves not to use. Although with McLaren and Ferrari leading the Hungarian GP thanks to their KERS cars, aparently the manufacturers are rethinking their agreement. Also the number of team personal allowed at GPs is reduced as is the overall number of employees allowed for each team. Testing is further reduced and the teams have agreed to a budget cap (can't remember the amount) to be verified by independent accountants.
I may be forgetting something but I think thats all the rule changes.
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