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Old 07-30-2009, 04:33 PM   #1
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Default Which track pads to get?

I'm fading my HP+ pads at this point and I'm trying to figure out which track pad I need...

Looking at the Hawk Blues, Hawk HT-10, and ebc yellows.

This is for shendoah circuit at summit point. It's a fairly low speed track I only get to around 110 and brake down to 50 or so is the biggest speed diff...

Any recommendations?
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Old 07-30-2009, 05:45 PM   #2
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Carbotech XP10's. I don't know the higher end HAWK stuff well enough to comment. Mach-V sells XP8's. They typically have them in stock.

I wouldn't run EBC anything.

When are you going to be out at 'doah? Who are you running with?
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Old 07-30-2009, 07:13 PM   #3
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I will second the XP10's.
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Old 07-30-2009, 07:25 PM   #4
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I third them.
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Old 07-30-2009, 07:45 PM   #5
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4th for the Carbotech pads...

though XP8's might do if you use street tires and don't have a great deal of experience, and XP12's might be better if you use R-comps and have lots of experience--though they're tougher on rotors (relatively, I find Carbotech pads to be more rotor friendly than anything else I've used across their line).
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Old 07-30-2009, 08:06 PM   #6
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The higher end Hawk stuff is effective, but *really* hard on rotors. I ran Blues for a little while, but never again; having to swap them out to DD was also annoying.

MasterKwan -- didn't you say you DD on the XP10's? Does it have a big effect on your rotor life?
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Old 07-30-2009, 08:31 PM   #7
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I run Carbotech XPs on the s2k. Excellent bite & feel. NO fade at the track. Although the brake dust will stick to the wheels if they get wet.

I've run the DTC line on the STi. OK bite. They are extremely loud!!!! I will replace them w/ Carbotechs when they're done.
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Old 07-30-2009, 09:54 PM   #8
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Carbotech XP10's. I don't know the higher end HAWK stuff well enough to comment. Mach-V sells XP8's. They typically have them in stock.

I wouldn't run EBC anything.

When are you going to be out at 'doah? Who are you running with?

Going out there for the FATT on the 21st and then again with TrackDaze in oct.
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Old 07-30-2009, 09:54 PM   #9
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4th for the Carbotech pads...

though XP8's might do if you use street tires and don't have a great deal of experience, and XP12's might be better if you use R-comps and have lots of experience--though they're tougher on rotors (relatively, I find Carbotech pads to be more rotor friendly than anything else I've used across their line).
I'm running RE01R's and should get bumped up to group 2 this time out.

I'm planning on swapping them between track driving and daily driving.

Does Carbotech offer a more aggressive bite compound than the XP10 for the rears?

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Old 07-30-2009, 09:56 PM   #10
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Yeah, I dd the XP10's. As gregr01 said, they're not that hard on rotors. I find the HP+ to be far harder on the rotors than the XPs. The XP's are ceramic pads so, the dust isn't corrosive like some other track pads.

I'll probably be there in October too. I'm on vacation on the 21st or I'd do that one too. Group 2 fatt is experimenting with pass anywhere with point, like TrackDaze does in the advanced group.
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Old 07-30-2009, 10:26 PM   #11
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I had the Carbotech XP12 in the front and XP10 in the rears of my STi with StopTech BBK fronts and stock STi rear calipers and I hated the pads. The initial bit seems to be very late. I had a hard time knowing the beginning brake point.

I used to run Hawk DTC-70's and I love them. They are a bit expensive. I'm now on Performance Friction PF01's and see how they are and I'll report back on these pads. They are much cheaper than Hawks.
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Old 07-31-2009, 07:16 AM   #12
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I'd suggest Hawk DTC-70's or PFC 01's. With street tires you could probably also do PFC 97's.
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Old 07-31-2009, 09:07 AM   #13
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xp 10s in the front and xp8's in the rear and love them
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Old 07-31-2009, 09:13 AM   #14
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I'd suggest Hawk DTC-70's or PFC 01's. With street tires you could probably also do PFC 97's.
+1 for the DTC-70's but don't DD on them or you will wear them out quickly. Just track them and you will be very happy.

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Old 07-31-2009, 02:01 PM   #15
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I would recomend PFC-01's for the track. They hold up VERY well to heat and are very kind to rotors. Best pads I have used on track to date.
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Old 07-31-2009, 04:58 PM   #16
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XP10s feel fine to me. A bit too much noise for the street though.

This is my 09 WRX with 1400 miles after 1 track day with XP10s.....

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Wow, my rotors look nothing like that. Then again, I have brembo's.
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Wow, my rotors look nothing like that. Then again, I have brembo's.
You should see a set of blanks after using 12's.

I know we go back and forth about it....again, I love 10's. They truly are easy on rotors, comparatively. But to say they are as easy as street pads...well...some grooving and clear wear should be expect in DD, from my experience.
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I would recomend PFC-01's for the track. They hold up VERY well to heat and are very kind to rotors. Best pads I have used on track to date.
They wear like the devil though!
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The track I was on has 105-25mph haul downs... I'll be doing a BBK after my next track day...
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Old 07-31-2009, 05:57 PM   #21
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They wear like the devil though!
I second PFC-01's.

Thumbs down on Carbocrap XP series.
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+1 for Carbotech XP10's

I DD them on the street, haven't in the winter though. They become a bit noisy when the brake quiet melts away, but it doesn't bother me. Their temperature range is also great: I don't have "no brakes" when they're dead cold, maybe just "less brakes" but entirely enough to stop at the end of my street. Once that first stop of the ride has been made you never even notice it again, even on a long highway cruise, there is no issue with that. My silver wheels will get dusted to a new shade of black after a couple weeks but it washes right off.

As someone said above, the bite is tricky, but that seems to be temperature dependent.
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Thumbs down on Carbocrap XP series.
I can't believe someone on this board said that

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Old 08-05-2009, 12:58 PM   #24
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I can't believe someone on this board said that
Seconding the PFC's or Carbocrap?

I call it as i see it.
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How many track weekends are you Carbotech users getting out of your pads?
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